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So still just some book said a thing? Nothing to support your assertion? You should read up about how the bible came to be. You won't look so ignorant P.P.S still waiting for a response to all the evidence that proves Genesis false You can pick any of the almost half dozen disciplines I listed above, science deniers choice.

Again you make the claim it's non-fiction, support that You can believe in anything you want but if all you have is a book written by anonymous authors , translated from copies of copies of translations, that claims ridiculous things like the Genesis creation account or the even more ridiculous idea of the flood, then I'm sorry but your god is as believable as Voldemort. P.S. you in no way addressed the mountains of evidence that completely contradict your "historical" , "holy" book

Real question. You made the claim the bible is non-fiction, being that our current understanding of biology, genealogy, archeology, geology, paleontology , history, etc, etc, etc... clearly show the events in Genesis ,from creation to the flood (that being the book we've been speaking about)as well as Exodus , did not happen as told in the Bible. Therefore the burden of proof falls to you, so again any evidence to support your assertion?

You claim the bible isn't fiction, any evidence to support that?

Ok, that's what I was hoping. Hahaha

Agreed, you have nothing to offer. You don't care about truth and you're not a real Christian.

I agree with your first point Don't really understand the Trudeau reference

So ... Some book says a thing. You don't seem to understand I don't believe in the bible, so using the bible to justify the bible is ridiculous. I could use the exact same logic to prove that Voldemort is true, the book says so. Do you now accept Voldemort? Of course you don't, why? For the exact same reason I don't accept your god.

How sad must ones life be to take time out of their day to defend Hitler. Pathetic

The mathematical improbability of 300, or 47, or even just eight fulfilled prophesies of Jesus stands as evidence to his messiahship. Prophecies of Jesus Although this list is not exhaustive, you'll find 47 messianic predictions clearly fulfilled in Jesus Christ, along with supporting references from the Old Testament and New Testament fulfillment. 47 Old Testament Verses About Jesus as Messiah Prophecies of Jesus Old Testament Scripture New Testament Fulfillment 1 Messiah would be born of a woman. Genesis 3:15 Matthew 1:20 Galatians 4:4 2 Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. Micah 5:2 Matthew 2:1 Luke 2:4-6 3 Messiah would be born of a virgin. Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:22-23 Luke 1:26-31 4 Messiah would come from the line of Abraham. Genesis 12:3 Genesis 22:18 Matthew 1:1 Romans 9:5 5 Messiah would be a descendant of Isaac. Genesis 17:19 Genesis 21:12 Luke 3:34 6 Messiah would be a descendant of Jacob. Numbers 24:17 Matthew 1:2 7 Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah. Genesis 49:10 Luke 3:33 Hebrews 7:14 8 Messiah would be heir to King David's throne. 2 Samuel 7:12-13 Isaiah 9:7 Luke 1:32-33 Romans 1:3 9 Messiah's throne will be anointed and eternal. Psalm 45:6-7 Daniel 2:44 Luke 1:33 Hebrews 1:8-12 10 Messiah would be called Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:23 11 Messiah would spend a season in Egypt. Hosea 11:1 Matthew 2:14-15 12 A massacre of children would happen at Messiah's birthplace. Jeremiah 31:15 Matthew 2:16-18 13 A messenger would prepare the way for Messiah. Isaiah 40:3-5 Luke 3:3-6 14 Messiah would be preceded by a forerunner. Malachi 3:1 Matthew 11:10 15 Messiah would be rejected by his own people. Psalm 69:8 Isaiah 53:3 John 1:11 John 7:5 16 Messiah would be a prophet. Deuteronomy 18:15 Acts 3:20-22 17 Messiah would be preceded by Elijah. Malachi 4:5-6 Matthew 11:13-14 18 Messiah would be declared the Son of God. Psalm 2:7 Matthew 3:16-17 19 Messiah would be called a Nazarene. Isaiah 11:1 Matthew 2:23 20 Messiah would bring light to Galilee. Isaiah 9:1-2 Matthew 4:13-16 21 Messiah would speak in parables. Psalm 78:2-4 Isaiah 6:9-10 Matthew 13:10-15, 34-35 22 Messiah would be sent to heal the brokenhearted. Isaiah 61:1-2 Luke 4:18-19 23 Messiah would be a priest after the order of Melchizedek. Psalm 110:4 Hebrews 5:5-6 24 Messiah would be called King. Psalm 2:6 Zechariah 9:9 Matthew 27:37 Mark 11:7-11 25 Messiah would enter Jerusalem on a donkey. Zechariah 11:12 Matthew 21:4-5 26 Messiah would be praised by little children. Psalm 8:2 Matthew 21:16 27 Messiah would be betrayed. Psalm 41:9 Zechariah 11:12-13 Luke 22:47-48 Matthew 26:14-16 28 Messiah's price money would be used to buy a potter's field. Zechariah 11:12-13 Matthew 27:9-10 29 Messiah would be falsely accused. Psalm 35:11 Mark 14:57-58 30 Messiah would be silent before his accusers. Isaiah 53:7 Mark 15:4-5 31 Messiah would be spat upon and struck. Isaiah 50:6 Matthew 26:67 32 Messiah would be hated without cause. Psalm 35:19 Psalm 69:4 John 15:24-25 33 Messiah would be crucified with criminals. Isaiah 53:12 Matthew 27:38 Mark 15:27-28 34 Messiah would be given vinegar to drink. Psalm 69:21 Matthew 27:34 John 19:28-30 35 Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced. Psalm 22:16 Zechariah 12:10 John 20:25-27 36 Messiah would be mocked and ridiculed. Psalm 22:7-8 Luke 23:35 37 Soldiers would gamble for Messiah's garments. Psalm 22:18 Luke 23:34 Matthew 27:35-36 38 Messiah's bones would not be broken. Exodus 12:46 Psalm 34:20 John 19:33-36 39 Messiah would be forsaken by God. Psalm 22:1 Matthew 27:46 40 Messiah would pray for his enemies. Psalm 109:4 Luke 23:34 41 Soldiers would pierce Messiah's side. Zechariah 12:10 John 19:34 42 Messiah would be buried with the rich. Isaiah 53:9 Matthew 27:57-60 43 Messiah would resurrect from the dead. Psalm 16:10 Psalm 49:15 Matthew 28:2-7 Acts 2:22-32 44 Messiah would ascend to heaven. Psalm 24:7-10 Mark 16:19 Luke 24:51 45 Messiah would be seated at God's right hand. Psalm 68:18 Psalm 110:1 Mark 16:19 Matthew 22:44 46 Messiah would be a sacrifice for sin. Isaiah 53:5-12 Romans 5:6-8 47 Messiah would return a second time. Daniel 7:13-14 Revelation 19 These and many other Old Testament verses about Israel's Messiah were fulfilled in the New Testament life of Jesus Christ. Collectively they form the leading proof of Christ's deity. As Jesus went about his ministry, he knew that he was fulfilling these prophecies, and therefore, used this knowledge to confirm his claims of being the Son of God in the flesh: unquote For the rest of the article: 47 Old Testament Prophecies About Jesus (learnreligions.com) So your whole argument is , some book says a thing. Sad

You can't use the bible to prove the Bible, this is primary school logic. You continue to show you have no interest in truth.

There is no evidence of the supernatural

I know the bible better than you. I've actually read it , you listen to con artist preachers "interpretations" only interested in making money, making claims about a book that they and you don't really care about the message of Jesus but just as a way to justify your bigotry and hatred. The Bible holds as much weight for me as the Koran, the Tora, the Vedas, etc .. NONE You freely admitted you use the bible to prove the Bible, an obvious logical fallacy. I know you're not very bright (this is proven by every post you make, you speak on religion, politics and science with an ignorance beyond the pale , because you willingly avoid any information that doesn't support your presupposed conclusions) . You are not someone that seeks truth, you're not even someone interested in attempting to understand the options of others. Therefore your opinion is equivalent to a flat earther, useless.

Anyone that starts a post with Alex Jones style conspiracy theories about the WEF, only shows that their opinion is worthless

Because I wasn't, read the literature. Wasting my time with that is equivalent to arguing with a flat earther about gravity. Did you actually look at what experts say. Of course I can be wrong, that's what the scientific method is based on. new information produces new conclusions. Now as far as the old testament, it hasn't changed in millenia and the people that can read those languages are almost entirely in agreement on the fact that Genesis (that includes Noah) was written in a metaphorical style. Not giving you a specific book or author in no way diminishes my assertion, just read.

Then why continue to pester me for my opinion when you could just go read what scholars say. Wikipedia will give you all you need, I checked the other day after our conversation, I just wanted to make sure that it was you that was more concerned about being argumentative than actually taking the time to look for yourself. And it was

That may be the most ignorant and illogical standard of reason I've ever heard. You should be ashamed of yourself.

If you think Genesis is litteral then you are by necessity stating that evolution is false. You want a source? How about, ALL of science

It's irrelevant, look for yourself. I may be completely wrong but don't take my word either way , go and read what they write and not just websites like answers in geneisis or creation.com What I'm saying is not at all controversial, mostly because believing in evolution in NO WAY diminishes ones faith

How do you discern when it's supposed to be taken literally and when it's not? What is your mechanism

That's like asking me what literature I've read to know gravity is why things fall. It will be easy to find, hell (pun intended type Genesis creation story into Wikipedia or Google scholar, I'm sure you can get enough from the links they provide We're not even talking about just the clear scientific flaws but the literary aspects (style) is a of how the text was written. Conversely the Gospels WERE written as historical documents, again not my opinion that of those educated in the field

Again not my claim. Read the literature

I'm not arguing I agree and we don't need the supernatural to explain the natural world ie. science. Rational (which is the strong majority) religious people understand that and are able to separate the two because they tackle completely different issues. You on the other hand are not a rational person and talk out of both sides of your mouth. You deny the science that contradicts your version of one particular religion while accepting other science that in reality intercepts directly with what you claim is false. I'll add this just because I think it important. Many atheists and non believers (even putting aside other faiths because I'm speaking to someone who claims to follow Yahweh) still believe in the supernatural, so your argument isn't even specific to religion

The writings of nearly every legitimate biblical scholar, it's not "my" opinion, it's the opinion of the experts in the field.

Exactly, now your getting in. Almost all biblical scholars regardless of religious beliefs consider Genesis to be metaphorical and not litteral, because science has demonstrated that none of what's written can be backed by any evidence. That also includes Noah, oh and same thing for Exodus since we're on the topic.