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Now you're being dishonest. I have never said you were wrong in believing what you believe, nor have I said I'm not open to the possibility that you're right. In fact I spoke about being home schooled with creationist material, I told you previously about my knowledge of the Bible and past as a believer My whole point was and is you don't even know what evolution says so how can you say it's false. Go on Amazon buy a used textbook from an accredited institute of higher education first year biology and try to understand what the other side is actually saying.

Continuing to use the term Darwinism makes me believe you're not trying to have a good faith argument. No need to respond directly to this, the truth of my statement will be reflected in your verbiage going forward. Back to the topic, could God not have created the earth to evolve as science suggests? I'm speaking solely on the idea of evolution by natural selection. I am not speaking about how life began or the big bang. Just evolution

These are all things that I lack the knowledge to refute, and you don't even understand, so I'm not going to waste my time or yours debating them. I will remind you that my views happen to align with virtually every expert, in every relevant field. Though I'd bet that if you googled each of them, they all have a recognized professional that could explain every one of them.

This again proves my point, you not only don't read the literature by professionals you deny they even exist. I'm not sure you understand science as a whole or how it expresses to help us understand what's going on around us. You seem to think science is against religion. It is not. Science just can not add god into the equation until it can measured in repeatable way. In fact science makes no claims about any God at all. I have researched your side , I grew up listening to Kent Hovind and the like, I've read so many of the apologetics on the subject and I've actually read the Bible not just the parts pastors like to cherry pick from the pulpit. You on the other hand, not only do you refuse to read the material written by qualified biologists, paleontologists, anthropologists, etc., who studied years specifically related to evolution, you actually try and say there's no such things as an "evolution scientist" Serious question, could you help me understand why you think evolution goes against your God? I'm much more interested in that than us debating an issue we're both ignorant on, if you don't mind I'd love having a discussion on that.

You're getting closer, at least this time guy has a legitimate degree in science, only problem is that it's in chemistry. He specialized in the electromagnetic spectra of light, nothing to do with evolution. He's seems to be a very smart man and I would probably listen to anything he says about chess, but he's as reliable on evolutionary biology as my aforementioned mechanic You do realize that even in the same field, those who studied in the sciences have specialties right ? For example if your foot hurts you don't go to someone who studied otolaryngology you go to someone who studied podiatry and they're both doctors. Yet you take the word (and expect others to as well) of someone that studied something entirely unrelated to evolution? I had to make an edit because I just saw your last post. The other guy that wrote that book is a horticulturelist, again nothing to do with evolution.

Watching you two go back and forth with such contempt for each other, over what is for all intent and purpose, the same religion just shows how silly the idea of a tri omni god is. Please continue though, your hard work is bringing people out of the darkness of religion better than any atheist could.

I never said anything about an imaginary sky fairy, I said god is unfalsifiable, there is a huge difference and was in no way ment to be derogatory. You're right we don't know if there is a creator or not and I will never say that anyone should not have the right to proclaim either. I personally only accept what can be quantified, tangible, known to affect our reality. I don't justify my morals on scientific faith, that concept of scientific faith is oxymoronic in its self. We agree virtually everything about the way the universe functions, the only difference is theists add another entity to explain what we haven't yet understood. Which is the complete opposite of Occam's razor. In more pragmatic ways can you explain to me why you think you need God?

I'm not looking to convert anyone to anything, I'm all about live and let live. I just think discussions should be based on fact It's funny your bully story sounds like you're describing the god of the Bible. But I digress, Inherently there may be nothing wrong with it, but non sociopaths with empathy will see that you're causing harm and then the whole neighborhood, one dude with a big stick or a peace officer will come and take care of you. We call those laws, no god needed

You're proving my point, you're using someone with Zero scientific training to debunk science. My mechanic is great but I don't go to him for medical advice. Show me an evolutionary biologists that supports your conclusions

I agree that the want to understand the big questions like the "purpose of life" is hardwired but I believe the concept of God is just a easy out to explain things our feeble minds can't comprehend On the "idea" of God I would consider myself an igtheist in that I find it entirely incoherent, as far as the god concepts I've been presented I would consider myself a hard atheist even antitheist depending on the religion. I also agree we should always seek answers on better ways of living and doing and thinking, but I think we should look inward and not to some unfalsifiable entity. I don't believe that the god as defined in the Bible is a moral being. I think humanism that has no concern about which god you pray but to how you interact with society is a much better way to find the solutions to the issues we agree on.

By reading religious texts, for example the Vedas speak about every action in this physical life will have consequences on your next physical life or reincarnation (Works) , while the Bible teaches the ONLY way for your physical body to get to the next level is believing/accepting Jesus Christ as your personal saviour,(Faith )this life is but rags as the book says Confucius said "do not do to others what you do not want done to yourself " around 500 BCE. First Judeo-Christian is a modern term coined to fight fascism in the 19 hundreds. Second, it's just one of the multitude of religious that have appropriated the evolutionary social behaviors that produce the best results, ie: humanism I think I already did but here goes. Lets go back to basics, if I punch someone in the face without the prior knowledge of what the consequences and effects might be, but I have empathy, I will be able to see that I've caused the other person pain/harm ,and not wanting said pain/harm inflicted on me I will refrain from punching others

First off, calling you ignorant is not an insult, ignorance is simply defined as a lack of knowledge or information and you have demonstrated that fact in abundance. The amount of things I or anyone else is ignorant of are astronomical. No , you can't just make up your own definitions to complex ideas then debunk your own nonsense. That called making a strawman argument, which is a logical fallacy. I know you don't understand the theory of evolution because you use terms like Darwinism. Since Charlie documented his birds, we've discovered genetics, the mathematics of quantifiable analysis of large populations, ERVs, etc... Calling the theory of evolution Darwinism is like calling the theory of gravity Newtonism, or calling displacement theory Archimedism. In fact you still have yet to summarize the theory of evolution into anything that even gets close to what the scientists that have studied this for years would use. In conclusion if you're not even willing to look into what the other side is actually saying, maybe do a little research or just don't speak on the subject. But again thanks for helping convert more people to atheism.

I appreciate your thoughtful response, but will admit being confused with the references to Marxism, as I don't see the relevance of one's political position to their metaphysical views I will confess a certain ignorance to philosophy particularly metaphysics, as a pragmatist I personally don't understand the need to ask myself questions to which there are no answers. The idea of an ultimate/higher power for our moral intuition to me is unnecessary. First, by simply reading different religious texts it clearly shows that they are not compatible, ie: a works religion (Hindu) vs. one of faith (Christianity). Second, Altruism can be found solely through selfishness, I don't like being harmed so I won't harm others. Our evolutionary development has hard wired us into having empathy. No god needed

No sir , I asked you to define evolution in the way biologists do . You couldn't, therefore anything you say is the literal definition of ignorant.

Why is it necessary to have meaning or purpose? In my opinion the need for one's life to have purpose is just a lack of humility, the universe cares nothing about the life of either a single human or the collective. We only have one life we know about, so if you need meaning why not just live a good life?

So you base your understanding of one of the most evidenced theories in science on your opinion? Using terms like "Darwinism" and confusing abiogenesis with evolution further proves you are completely ignorant on the topic. If you're not even able to steel man the other side position, you're opinion is not worth anything and make your views irrelevant.

Would you please define evolution in a couple sentences in the way the evolutionary biologists that have spent years studying would. Thank you

I think he thinks Jesus was a white guy from the Americas, maybe a cowboy or something like that

Capitalism is built on coveting Ie; keeping up with the Jones Capitalism is also built on theft, particularly when it comes to property Ie; look at how many hard working people have to rent because the rich own all the property What about.... Galatians 6:2 carry each other's burdens this way you will fulfill the law of Christ Or Acts 2:44-45 all the believers were together and had everything in common, selling their possessions and goods giving to anyone in need Or of course Mathew 22:22 render unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar You should actually try reading the Bible not just listening to how other people interpret it so they can enrich themselves., because you sir do not know Christ

I just bought a 300$ pair of shoes online getting shipped from overseas, seems to me we're a long way from anything that isn't capitalism

Could you please show what in scripture supports your contention that Christian values don't align with socialism. Thank you

1. Maybe? It's no secret the U.S spends as much a the ten next counties on the military, pretty obvious it affects their GDP 2. You think? What else could or would I be talking about? 3. Ponzi scheme? What are you talking about? I made absolutely zero allegations of malfeasance. You used one metric (GDP per capita) to say how rich the U.S was. All I'm saying is you have to look at both sides of the ledger, this is as basic of and economic principle as you can get

First the US GDP is over inflated, because of the military industrial complex amongst other things. More importantly,the real metric of economic strength is the GDP to debt ratio and in the US it's very high

Could you please steel man the theory of evolution as explained by scientific concensus in one or two sentences. Just in case to "steel man " means to address the other persons argument in its Strongest form

Don't believe in feminism? In that case, shut up and go make me a sandwich