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I read that a small forest where Stradivari sourced the wood for his violins, had gone through a mini ice age giving the wood a higher density. One of the major factors of the quality of sound produced.

I didn't say no scientists believe in creation, I said there's no such thing as a creation scientist. Lots of people believe in lots of ridiculous things Show me anyone with a degree in young earth creation. You can't

Oh yeah, almost forgot There is no such thing as a creation scientist that is literally an oxymoron

First neither atheism nor secular humanism have anything to do with science. Second there are plenty of scientists that believe in God in all fields of study. Third you really don't care to understand the other side do you? If any scientist could provide testable novel predictions for either the existence of God or that evolution is false they'd win a Nobel prize and be the most famous scientist on earth. They don't because they can't. The hypocrisy of you calling the cumulative knowledge of multiple scientific disciplines biased when you get your information from a website called creation.com is astounding. If that alone doesn't make you at least curious enough to just look at what the scientific community says on the topic, you're not just ignorant you're willfully ignorant and that is an insult.

Once again you show your ignorance not only on your views of evolution but the basics of what science is. Proof only exists in math. Science is always provisional. That's what makes it great. New information, means new discoveries means modifying theories. No scientists I repeat NO scientists say they have proved Anything. In fact what the vast majority of scientists do is to try and disprove the experiments of other scientists. They call this peer review, the pseudo scientists you quote only write for pretend "scientific institutions" like creation.com , because they know if they tried to publish in any actual science journal they'd be disproven so fast they wouldn't be able to con their ignorant flock.

Once again, you don't even know what the theory of evolution is, in fact you have actually claimed that there is no such thing as an "evolution scientist". Here's are a few basic questions on evolution to illustrate my point. I would ask you to please respond directly to these questions, based on your own personal understanding , not a copy paste of the Christian apologists, with no relevant education that you tend to rely on. Can you explain how paternity tests work ? What are ERV"s ? What are alleles? If you can't answer these three simple questions, you will demonstrate you lack the command of the subject matter to have any authority to speak on the validity of one of the most agreed upon laws of the natural world held by virtually every trained scientist, in all related fields. I look forward to your response

Though the Bible "teaches" to love thy neighbor and to try and walk your path as Christ would, we will of course agree that one of Christianities core tenants in that we are all sinners, right? The idea of a death bed confession is of course ludacris , you can't do terrible things then right before death say you love Jesus and, bang! You're saved. Now because we are all born to sin, therefore will sin , it isn't works based. The only way to be forgiven for sin (which the Bible teaches we all do) is to accept Jesus Christ as your personal saviour. Period. Works means each individual action in this life is directly related to your "next life" . In Christianity you're "permitted" (I know that's not the best word, but you understand) to do "sinful" things as long as you ask forgiveness, and the only person you can ask forgiveness from is an itinerant, messianic, apocalyptic 1st century preacher, with little to no outside corroboration,and that my friend requires Faith.

You're not living up to 1st Peter 3:15 are you now? But like the saying goes, for most religious zealots "there's no worse hate than Cristian love" Though the fact you think Christianity is a works based religion, just makes the irony and cognitive dissonance even funnier.

John 14:6 I am the truth the way and the light, no comes to the father except through me. We could go back and forth for days, I'm not interested. I think it's all a plagiarized fairy tale. My point was if you affirm your interpretation is the only interpretation you are explicitly claiming to have the truth of what God ment therefore you're saying you know the mind of God

Are you presuming you know the mind of God?

Apologies if you think I'm being purposely obtrusive, but I don't think you care about truth. I believe you've made up your mind based on the few sources that agree with what you already believed, and honestly question your cognitive capabilities. Either way I'm not interested in continuing discourse with you. Take care

I think you'd be surprised. I had the opportunity to grow up in foster care so I saw many different family units. Two in particular I think are relevant. The first devoted Catholics (I was an alter server and had my feet washed), the second a fundamentalist Baptist (I taught Sunday school for the little ones) Two very different views of scripture, yet both the best possible versions of what a Cristian is supposed/called to be. It makes me laugh thinking they would have hated each other. Anyway I've read and studied the Bible with many theologians and continue to do so. You seem to focus only on the teachings of the Catholic Church. A closed mind can never be open to the true word of God

And see there lies the problem, that's your understanding. Not only are there thousands of different denominations of Christianity , but the person on the pew next to you has their own interpretation, to the point you accuse each other of perversion , heresy and not being true Christians. No all loving, all knowing, all powerful God, would let those who have accepted Jesus as their lord and saviour fight and kill over semantics. You may be right, but claiming it only applies to your God is the definition of special pleading. Just trying to explain it to you, you accused me of committing a logical fallacy without explaining how, then I literally made you commit one to illustrate.

And that is special pleading. Giving different (or special) attributes to one thing and not others

Ok you're obviously not actually trying to respond to what I'm writing and maybe not even reading it in good faith, you're more interested it spouting your retoric. I am not interested in those types of conversations. I hope you have a great night 😁 I asked you a question If everything is created who created god?

I'm not going to do a Bible study with you, but the fact that you can interpret the "word of God" ,in so many different ways on its own, proves a tri Omni god can't exist

I'd be interested to have you expand on where my reasoning was faulty. That's not what special pleading is. The best way to explain it to would be by asking you a question, so here goes (please answer). If everything is created who created god? We'll get back to that. The development of empathy was just an example of the evolution we've gone through as a species and totally irrelevant to atheism. In fact atheism has nothing to say about morality. Furthermore the concept of rules and laws existed in societies well before Abrahamic religions, as well as during and then continuously throughout history Nothing you're saying is specific to your version of God, nor is it specific to your moral system

Now you're being dishonest. I have never said you were wrong in believing what you believe, nor have I said I'm not open to the possibility that you're right. In fact I spoke about being home schooled with creationist material, I told you previously about my knowledge of the Bible and past as a believer My whole point was and is you don't even know what evolution says so how can you say it's false. Go on Amazon buy a used textbook from an accredited institute of higher education first year biology and try to understand what the other side is actually saying.

Continuing to use the term Darwinism makes me believe you're not trying to have a good faith argument. No need to respond directly to this, the truth of my statement will be reflected in your verbiage going forward. Back to the topic, could God not have created the earth to evolve as science suggests? I'm speaking solely on the idea of evolution by natural selection. I am not speaking about how life began or the big bang. Just evolution

These are all things that I lack the knowledge to refute, and you don't even understand, so I'm not going to waste my time or yours debating them. I will remind you that my views happen to align with virtually every expert, in every relevant field. Though I'd bet that if you googled each of them, they all have a recognized professional that could explain every one of them.

This again proves my point, you not only don't read the literature by professionals you deny they even exist. I'm not sure you understand science as a whole or how it expresses to help us understand what's going on around us. You seem to think science is against religion. It is not. Science just can not add god into the equation until it can measured in repeatable way. In fact science makes no claims about any God at all. I have researched your side , I grew up listening to Kent Hovind and the like, I've read so many of the apologetics on the subject and I've actually read the Bible not just the parts pastors like to cherry pick from the pulpit. You on the other hand, not only do you refuse to read the material written by qualified biologists, paleontologists, anthropologists, etc., who studied years specifically related to evolution, you actually try and say there's no such things as an "evolution scientist" Serious question, could you help me understand why you think evolution goes against your God? I'm much more interested in that than us debating an issue we're both ignorant on, if you don't mind I'd love having a discussion on that.

You're getting closer, at least this time guy has a legitimate degree in science, only problem is that it's in chemistry. He specialized in the electromagnetic spectra of light, nothing to do with evolution. He's seems to be a very smart man and I would probably listen to anything he says about chess, but he's as reliable on evolutionary biology as my aforementioned mechanic You do realize that even in the same field, those who studied in the sciences have specialties right ? For example if your foot hurts you don't go to someone who studied otolaryngology you go to someone who studied podiatry and they're both doctors. Yet you take the word (and expect others to as well) of someone that studied something entirely unrelated to evolution? I had to make an edit because I just saw your last post. The other guy that wrote that book is a horticulturelist, again nothing to do with evolution.

Watching you two go back and forth with such contempt for each other, over what is for all intent and purpose, the same religion just shows how silly the idea of a tri omni god is. Please continue though, your hard work is bringing people out of the darkness of religion better than any atheist could.

I never said anything about an imaginary sky fairy, I said god is unfalsifiable, there is a huge difference and was in no way ment to be derogatory. You're right we don't know if there is a creator or not and I will never say that anyone should not have the right to proclaim either. I personally only accept what can be quantified, tangible, known to affect our reality. I don't justify my morals on scientific faith, that concept of scientific faith is oxymoronic in its self. We agree virtually everything about the way the universe functions, the only difference is theists add another entity to explain what we haven't yet understood. Which is the complete opposite of Occam's razor. In more pragmatic ways can you explain to me why you think you need God?

I'm not looking to convert anyone to anything, I'm all about live and let live. I just think discussions should be based on fact It's funny your bully story sounds like you're describing the god of the Bible. But I digress, Inherently there may be nothing wrong with it, but non sociopaths with empathy will see that you're causing harm and then the whole neighborhood, one dude with a big stick or a peace officer will come and take care of you. We call those laws, no god needed