Yzermandius19

He won't be playing 3C on the Avs, he'll be playing 2C. Babs did bury Kadri outside the top six, he had to though, can't play Tavares or Matthews at 3C, that would be a lot dumber.

Kadri was buried outside the top six, because you have two 1C's, Colorado only has one 1C, therefore expect Kadri to produce more than as a bottom six guy on the Leafs. He's going to get more ice time on the Avs than he got last year. Kadri can stick as a 2C, Kerfoot cannot, especially on the Leafs. If Babcock is smart he won't give Kerfoot Kadri ice time, and he'll play Matthews and Tavares more, and if he does play Kerfoot sixteen minutes a night, I don't expect that to result in a jump in production, because when he got more ice time on the Avs, that never happened, even when playing with two top 20 point producers in the NHL and getting first line ice time. How that didn't give him a boost is just weird, can't explain it, but that is what happened.

His numbers dropped because he was playing 3C too, it wasn't just not being on Marner's line anymore. Assuming it was all a lack of Marner is your mistake. When you get less ice time and play with shittier guys, a drop off in production is expected, assuming it's because he's lost a step, doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Sure Marner made him better, but that doesn't mean he's going to produce like he did on a checking line. You are overcompensating, if he can produce 44 points on a down year, not playing with Marner, at 3C, he can produce more than that playing with the Avs, playing at 2C, be real. 25-30 goals and 50-60 points is not unreasonable for Kadri on the Avs. 15-20 goals and 40-50 points isn't unreasonable for Kerfoot on the Leafs.

You can't just remove the years he played with Marner and only factor in the year he played 3C when projecting his production on the Avs. He's going to be a 2C, you need to judge him by his 2C production, not his 3C production, be real. Like I say, he could play with Rantanen for extended periods for all we know. Judging him by the numbers he put up on a checking line and assuming that's all he's got is pretty silly.

That's not the upside I'm talking about. I'm talking about upside relative to what Kerfoot has already shown, you are talking about a different kind of upside, a kind of upside I already agreed he has on the Leafs. Kadri wasn't a fit on the Leafs post-Tavares, not buying he's lost a step just because Tavares took his job and had to play on a checking line, that explains the drop in goals, why the assumption he's already lost a step? Name me one 3C in the NHL who scored more than Kadri last year? He did what he could in the role he was given, not being better than Matthews and Tavares isn't losing a step, that was already the case before Tavares came to town.

Kerfoot got top line time with MacKinnon and Rantanen at times, and when he did, he showed none of the upside you are expecting. He was mostly on the third line, and on the wing, but got plenty of 3C time, when he did, he showed none of the upside you are talking about. Even if he gets an extra two minutes a night, I see no reason to believe he's going to put up much bigger numbers than he's already given the Avs, because when he got the bigger roles, there was no big upswing in his production, even when he played with MacKinnon and Rantanen.

What do you even mean by upside, what do you see Kerfoot's ceiling as? Because he already a solid middle six playmaker with versatility, how much better do you think he's going to get? I don't see him becoming more than a solid middle six playmaker with versatility, even if he finally sticks at 3C and incrementally improves a little. He is what is, what upside?

Nonsense, I watched the guy for two years, I said the same shit before he got traded. Talk of his upside is being pushed by people who didn't watch him, Avs fans know what's up. Maybe he has untapped upside, but he hasn't shown it yet, so I assuming it isn't there until he shows it. Ain't nothing wrong with what he is now, but that is probably all he'll be, just a role player is what he already is, that's not a next level or another gear, that is what Kerfoot is. The only upside I realistically see would be an ability to finally stick as a 3C, that's not a lot of upside.

I wouldn't get your hopes up, you're too bullish on him, not seeing that much room to grow unless he learns to shoot the puck instead of passing every time, and I don't think he's ever going to, it's too hard wired into him.

Johnsson shoots the puck, Kerfoot does not. Kerfoot is a misleading player to youtube, because when he's on, he looks fantastic, when he's off, he completely invisible.

Why is the NHL the only league where the players are retarded enough to sit through lockouts every CBA negotiation? Fucking morons, learn from other sports leagues ffs.

Losing a year of MacKinnon, especially at a $6.3 million cap hit, is going to suck balls. Would be nice if the players just caved earlier this time, so I don't have to go through that.

He only melts down in the playoffs when playing Boston, so unless the Avs are playing them in the finals, I won't have to be overly worried about it, hopefully. Change of Conference helps with the Bruins being in Kadri's head factor.

I'm sure he'll melt down from time to time, just don't do it at a crucial moment, like in the playoffs, that's the key. Thankfully if the Avs are playing the Bruins, it means they are in the cup finals, so that certainly helps.

All purpose and versatile, Kerfoot can totally do that. He can play anywhere on that third line, and move up to the second line in a pinch. Anywhere in the middle six that you need him, he can play there, at least in the short term, if not the long term. That's one Kerfoot's main strengths, and that's just what the Leafs are looking for, where as on the Avs, it was hard to see where he'd fit in the lineup, especially if the Avs had gotten Kadri and kept him, so he was expendable.

He can do the Pavelski, take the draw and then pivot to the wing for the rest of the shift, that's probably how the Leafs will use him, in the end. The Avs did that with him a bunch when he did get time at 2C or 3C. Part of Kerfoot's inability to stick at center comes from his propensity pass the puck from a high danger area to the perimeter instead of shooting when he is playing down the middle, also his lack of size forcing him to the perimeter does that as well.

I don't see Kerfoot as a center long term, short term he can do it, but he always gets bounced back to the wing more often than not. He's played a decent amount of 3C for the Avs, it just never sticks, despite his faceoff prowess and defensive chops. Maybe he'll finally be able to stick as a 3C on the Leafs, but I wouldn't count that chicken before it's hatched.

The Avs could always break up the top line, Kadri will probably get playing time with Rantanen or Landeskog on his wing at various points this season 5-on-5 as well. 25-30 goals doesn't seem unreasonable to me. If he gets stuck on PP2 and the Avs break up their top line a lot less than did the last two years, then it will probably be 20-25 goals instead. I'd put the over/under at 25 goals for Kadri next year, if he stays healthy.

I think Kadri can score 25-30 playing 2C, he's going to get top PP time too, so he will playing with MacKinnon and Rantanen, just not so much 5-on-5. Not seeing Kerfoot being a consistent 20 goal scorer, he couldn't even score 20 when his shooting percentage was like 17% and the hockey gods loved him. His shot is good enough to put up 20, but he doesn't shoot.

Slightly cheaper, similar point production, less goals. Probably won't be a consistent center, but might turn into one, if you're lucky. He can play center in a pinch, but it usually doesn't stick for very long. Kadri is a better fit for the Avs, Kerfoot is a better fit for the Leafs.

Kadri can play 2C, Kerfoot I doubt it. Kadri can score, Kerfoot doesn't shoot. /shrugs

It makes sense for the Leafs to move Kadri, but I think the "Kerfoot will be better in short order" theory is wishful thinking.

Meh, I don't think Kadri is slowing down fast, I just think Tavares bumped him down the line up and he couldn't get his cookies as easily. I think Kadri won't start falling off quick until after his current contract expires. I think a 40-50 points is all you're going to get out of Kerfoot, unless he learns to shoot the puck, he's never going to be the goal scorer Kadri is, and even if he does start shooting, he still probably will never get there. If you ever get a 30 goal season out of Alex Kerfoot, I'd be shocked. Middle six playmaking winger who is good at faceoffs is probably what you're going to get, the best you can realistically hope for is a playmaking middle six player who would make a good 3C for only $1 million less than Kadri.

It's not Kerfoot for Rosen though. Kerfoot was thrown in because Kadri is worth more than rental Barrie and the Avs needed to spice up the deal. Just saying, be prepared for Kerfoot passing 8 out 10 times you yell at him to shoot the damn puck. I think Kerfoot is what he is at this point, he might be able to make a few tweaks here and there, but for the most part what you see is what you're gonna get, a middle six playmaking winger who is good at faceoffs.