Dougie93

true enough, but what this signals, politically, is that the USAF is moving away from F-35 as being the future, first off all selecting Boeing ( McDonnell Douglas St Slouis ) indicates how the USAF is not satisfied as to how LockMart executed the F-35 program, bearing in mind that F-35 still hasn't reached full rate production nor full operational capability, after 20 years the USAF has also determined that much of what F-35 does could be done by drones instead, thus the most important programs to the USAF are actually the B-21 Raider & the F-47 Trumper, because those are the platforms which give America the edge, so I could see this being a sign that America is actually moving on from F-35 sooner rather than later

just fyi ; there are basically two ways to dogfight one circle rate fight, two circle pitch fight, in a one circle rate fight, both fighters are chasing each other around in a single circle, the fighter which catches up first in that race wins, fighters which are optimized for that include F-15, F-16, Eurofighter Typhoon in a two circle pitch fight, the fighters go into the vertical for high angle of attack manoeuvre, the fighter which points its nose at the other guy first wins, fighters which excel at that include F/A-18, F-35, Dassault Rafale then there is F-22 in a class of its own, dominating in both types of fight

I've explained to you that the fighter can fly slower, turn tighter, and at higher angles of attack, so your opinion is in contravention of the factors which determines who wins a knife fight in a phone booth A2A

the A-10 is not actually quick and nimble, it's not suited in any way to a dogfight, shooting down helicopters is not a dogfight, the A-10 is not durable enough to survive an A2A hit from either a Sidewinder or 20mm cannon, the A-10 is never going to get a shot off with GAU-8 against a fighter, since again, the A-10 is not particularly manoeuvrable in comparison, it's actually the fighter which can fly slower, turn tighter and go high AOA in a dogfight, F-35 can pull 50º AOA and practically stop on a dime; at low speed, F-35 is only second to the F-22 the A-10 wouldn't stand a chance as it shot out in front of the F-35 for an easy gun kill, the F-35 could really just point its gun at the A-10 with impunity, like a cat toying with its prey this is where Army Guy is wrong ; knife fight in a phone booth is an F-35 specialty it's really only in a high speed turning fight at altitude, one circle rate fight, against a dedicated air superiority fighter; where F-35 is lacking

A-10 maximum AOA is 15 degrees, min speed is 450 knots, pulling 7g F-16 maximum AOA is 25 degrees, min speed is 325 knots, pulling 9g so in a knife fight in a phone booth, the F-16 dances circles around an A-10 F-16 pulls a high AOA manoeuvre, the A-10 ends up out in front ; boom, dead the whole point of a dogfight is to get behind the other guy, the A-10 stands no chance of doing that against a fighter

what we've seen in Ukraine is that SAM's are now so integrated, accurate & reliable, that neither side is able to fly their non stealth fighters over the other sides territory at all, the Russians don't risk it anymore, they just drop glide bombs from inside Russian controlled SAM space the Ukrainians mostly use their fighters to try to shoot down Russian cruise missiles, there are no dogfights, because without stealth, you can't even get that close to the enemy without getting shot down by SAMs

the war in Ukraine has proven low and slow flying attack aircraft & helicopters to be extremely vulnerable, there's just too many SAMs, from long ranged down to MANPADs that as soon as an attack aircraft pops up to do an attack run, it gets shot down

it's not so much that the F-35 can't knife fight in a phone booth, since the F-35 can execute very high angle of attack manoeuvres close in, the problem is more that pulling those g's bleeds energy very rapidly, which slows you down to a crawl, which is not so much of a problem if it is 1 v 1, but that's not how air forces fight, instead, you're going to be in a so called "fur ball" with fighters from both sides mixing in a much larger fight, so at Red Flag and whatnot, the F-35's don't slow down to engage in dogfights, rather the F-35 employs its stealth, situational awareness and coordination in order to hit and run, but America will always have Canada as a vassal state caught in the American Sphere of Influence regardless

it's naive to think that Washington would allow Canada to cancel its American contracts to switch to European, there are many levers which Washington can pull both in Canada & Europe to prevent that,

it's more a question of calculating Canada's state capacity, or rather lack thereof, Canada is already in the throes of the world's worst military procurement crisis, with Canada relying on America to replace practically everything all at the same time, if Canada rips those plans up and starts over, that's not going to result in Canada's broken procurement system ; suddenly acquiring large amounts of European military hardware, rather Canada will simply end up purchasing nothing at all, further exacerbating the existing crisis, leading to Canada having to come back to America eventually with cap in hand

I seriously doubt that Canada will cancel its American military contracts, I seriously doubt that Canada will purchase Gripen so far, in typical Canadian fashion, the government has simply announced a "review"

Canadians are still all talk and no action until Canada takes some action,

that was a very long time ago, when Canada was spending as much as 7% GDP on defence, Canada essentially gave up on having a full spectrum military literally decades ago, Canada's only military strategy since the end of the Cold War, was to provide token forces alongside American forces, the whole point of having fighters is NORAD the whole point of having frigates is to join American Carrier Strike Groups, the whole point of having an army is to provide a Battle Group to join American forces on expeditions, Canada does not in fact have a Plan B, and again, I doubt very much that Canadians are actually wiling to do the work and spend the money to have one

well having a mixed fleet is actually optimal, the F-35 isn't good at everything, it's highly specialized, and in many cases it is overkill for the mission, so stealth & non stealth fighters compliment each other, each performing their roles within a team, I simply doubt that Canadian governments are willing to pay the premium to play in those big leagues

well the fact is, the UK has much broader interests than Canada does, for example India has been making major investments in the UK, so amongst members of the Commonwealth, India is much more important to the UK than Canada is, and of course, Canada has blown up its relations with India, Canada has made itself into a hermit kingdom in essence, I can't think of any country which could be described as Canada's strategic partner at this juncture, a Post National State not only doesn't have any identity, it doesn't have any allies neither, by definition in fact ; since only nation states form alliances

not really, since there is no political alliance between Commonwealth members, not even between the UK & Canada, the only alliances which the UK & Canada share are American alliances

quite sure Trump is the Emperor while Britain & Canada are the vassals,

the Commonwealth is not so big, it's completely irrelevant beyond being a cocktail party

so much for Canada's "Commonwealth allies" coming to Canada's rescue

I don't think the Europeans are as gung-ho to decouple from America as Canadians are, I expect the Europeans will take a more conciliatory approach, as they already are, Canadians are shocked to discover that America is not 100% reliable, but nobody in Europe ever trusted the Americans in the first place, the Europeans have always hedged their bets that Article V ain't actually all that reliable, even in the Cold War

that applies to everything, not just fighter planes, what doesn't have American components in it somewhere ?

Cuidich 'n Righ

the entire Canadian military is reliant upon the Pentagon for its logistics, not simply because most Canadian military hardware is American, but Canada also does not maintain any sort of stockpile of military stores, weapons, nor ammunition, instead Canada relies on America to supply Canada's forces in the event of war thus fighter planes are the least of Canada's problems if Canada gets cut off by Washington, Canada long ago decided to render itself functionally defenceless in the face of foreign powers, it's too late to turn that ship around now

but in fairness ; what else would one do with a pole dancer from Gatineau ?

ain't nothin' fresher than Melanie Joly, bent over looking back at Prime Minister Zoolander as he consummates the affair, poor old Sophie Gregoire at home by the hearth at Rideau Cottage ; Canadian Jackie-O