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well Donald Trump is obviously the wrong man to get it done, but again, if you think of it as a long term project, with the Democrats being the emissaries ; making offers instead of threats, then I can see Toronto & Co starting to come around

Trudeau was not a cause, he was a result, Trudeau was pandering to something which has been growing since the 1970's and it hasn't gone away, it still controls every institution in Canada, this idea that the Post National State is gone never to return, that is patently naive

well Canada managed to dodge the worst of the Global Financial Crisis in the moment, however, American came rocketing out of the crisis like a Phoenix, while Canada went in the opposite direction,

well frankly, the way America is now, Issac Brock would favour joining them, General Brock actually couldn't stand being posted to Upper Canada, he was no Yeoman Farmer, Upper Canada was a career ender, exile in the middle of nowhere, General Brock desired to be in Europe fighting Bonaparte more than anything, still to this day, nobody in England has ever heard of him, which is all he cared about in the end,

Ontario is the prize, Ontario is where the money is, Alberta oil is not so important, Venezuela has the same oil and it ain't making them rich,

but Canada's real problem is productivity & innovation, or rather the total lack thereof Canada could consume 100% of Canada's resources, but that wouldn't make Canada rich, quite the opposite

as of right now they are not, but again, if America made annexation a long term project, things would change over time, if the choice was to be poorer than Mississippi behind a Canadian Iron Curtain, or as rich as New York with State status in America, over time, Ontario would start to consider its options, it's mostly just Boomers who are attached to Expo 67 Canada, that is who is rallying to the colours, but all those Boomers are about to die off en masse,

I would suggest that is mostly just talk at this point, more rhetorical than functional, furthermore, that would not last if America made annexation a long term project, under relentless pressure indefinitely, Canadian unity would crack, like already people in Ontario are calling Albertans "traitors", Alberta is MAGA North to Ontario now, never mind keeping Alberta in Canada, at this point Ontario wants to kick Alberta out, people expect Quebec or Alberta to be the ones who bring Confederation down, but actually, if there is a Province with the most interests in joining America, it's Ontario from an American point of view, if you are going to award State status, Ontario would be that State, in Ontario, America gets the industrial heartland, and the resources, all in one, from an Imperialist standpoint, Toronto is the prize, not Regina Saskatchewan, America is not a resource empire, America is a tech empire, the resources come to America regardless, the prize is Intellectual Property now, Toronto is worth more than the rest of Canada combined therein, if Toronto was freed from Canadian friction to operate under American rules, it would rival New York & Los Angeles, it would surpass Los Angeles in fact, in Canada, Ontario is as poor as Mississippi, but if it was an American State, Ontario would be New York North

but that's how the Imperialist game works, Old Bean, you construct barriers to create leverage, lowering them only as you get the concessions required

"51st State" is just rhetoric, really what America would offer is Protectorate Status ; Puerto Rico North that doesn't require America to involve itself in Provincial affairs, you get American military protection, unfettered access to the US market, and free movement to & from America, in which you get rich enough to pay for your own Frenchness, that's not America's problem

depends how far down the American imperialist rabbit hole you go, if America shifts to annexing Canada as a long term project, then the method would be to cut special deals with each region in order to pit them against each other, bear in mind that what Quebec receives in transfer payments from Canada that is just walking around money in Washington,

nobody cares about that in Ontario, the auto sector is under existential threat from Donald Trump, the Doug Ford Progressive Conservatives are not Pierre Poillievre Prairie Populists, the GTA is flipping back to the Liberals in the face of the Populist threat from America, and the GTA decides the elections,

exactly, there is no other role for the River Class Destroyer, you don't deploy Destroyers on their own, their entire purpose is to protect capital ships, and Canada doesn't operate any capital ships, and neither does the rest of NATO except the UK & France

but there are reasons why Canada consistently fails to do so, and those are deeply ingrained and structural dating all the way back to 1763, as in order to appease the Quebecois, Canada is designed and constructed as a very weak federation, the EU is not even a state, yet it is far more integrated than Canada is, Canada is the most parochial & provincial state on earth, wherein the Provinces have the power and the federal government is an afterthought

but the only imperative for fighter planes is NORAD, with the Americans become hostiles, that can be put on the back burner, spend the money on the army instead, new artillery & ground based air defence, new IFVs, UAVs, UGVs replace all the soldier equipment, small arms, then raise the pay across the board, build new PMQ's in terms of the air force, prioritize the Griffon replacement before fighter planes, plus buy ammo, from 5.56mm all the way to 155mm, you can't have too much,

Trump has altered the landscape, attacking the CBC has become a bad bet for the CPC, when Ontario is rallying around the colours, Doug Ford's PC internal polling says the Liberals are ahead by 15 points in Ontario, that's game over,

kids today are far more aware of the horrors in the world, exponentially so, the kids who signed up to fight the Second World War were utterly sheltered by today's standards, the First World War was not sold to them as being hell on earth, it was all sanitized, into a glorious & valorous adventure, like a Rudyard Kipling poem

Canada was born of the British Empire, when 25% of the world's population was British, making foreigners into Britons was the whole point, globalized free trade and the free movement of labour therein, was a feature, not a bug

I've been predicting this exact crisis for years now, right here on this forum, but the Greatest Generation did not start off as hardened warriors, I used to sit in the Mess with the Second World War vets from the regiment, asking them all about it, they said they were utterly naive, they joined because there was nothing to do in Toronto during the Great Depression, going to fight in Europe sounded like a great adventure, they had no idea what they were getting themselves into, until it was too late

Canada's peacetime political system is too sclerotic to move fast enough, the only way Canada can react to the rapid onset of this war ; is war measures

nobody thinks Canada caused this, not even MAGA supporters, even MAGA bros are saying " WTF, why are we attacking Canada ? "

I'm already going with Carney, Defence of the British Crown in North America supersedes any quarrels I have with the Liberals, the CPC is compromised, not only MAGA sympathizers, but looking to make a deal with Trump ; which is a trap only the Liberal base fears & loathes MAGA to the threshold of war measures, I have no partisan loyalty but to the House of Windsor, any and all measures necessary therein to defend HM The King : Cuidich 'n Righ

Canada is invoking war for national survival against the United States of America, an enemy vastly more powerful than Nazi Germany & Imperial Japan combined, Canada alone in the face of it, so by rights, Canada should be at outbreak of World War Two levels of mobilization, right now, Order In Council formally declaring the United States to be an Enemy of the Crown, immediate suspension of all military & security cooperation with the United States, State of Emergency : Emergencies Act : conscription of assets, resources and personnel as necessary, Stage 4 mobilization of the armed forces, Primary & Supplementary Reserve, to include all military personnel released within the last five years called back to duty, infrastructure projects placed under state control ; command economy resource exports to the United States suspended, overriding the Provinces by the Emergencies Act national mobilization itself as economic stimulus, America has already crossed your red line, moving at breakneck speed, Canada is on the front line, this is no man's land here now, the population must be psychologically indoctrinated for war measures; now is the time for shock & awe therein, there is no point in trying to negotiate with Trump, that's a fool's errand,

well bear in mind that the American Autoworkers union has come out in support of Trump's auto tariffs, so much for solidarity forever, but the American union is throwing the Canadian union under the bus, then Canada's Prime Minister has just stated definitively; "the military & economic relationship between Canada & America is over" realistically, you're not going to make up the difference exporting to Europe, so Canada really only has one place to go, and that is to Beijing, the 100% tariff on Chinese EV's was for America, it was America who demanded that tariff, so the question is how long are you going to defend the American automakers at this point ?

who is "we" ? the Trumpy CPC party ? who is with you Quislings in Canada ?