Dougie93

I would be embarrassed to be mistaken for a "Canadian" now, as nothing is more pathetic than the Post National State,

I have no quarrel with Canada diversifying its defence purchases, I simply doubt Canada's political will & state capacity to follow through on anything defence related at this juncture

that is none the less a generational project, even for the Europeans, never mind Canada

"Canadian" is a meaningless distinction at this juncture, a Post National State with no core identity is an accurate description

Canada is well known all around the world, for having an absurdly dysfunctional military procurement process, to the point of the functional collapse of Canadian military capability therein.

merely an academic discussion, I'm not in the slightest bit concerned, Canada is all talk and no action, and certainly not willing to pay the premium for a full spectrum military,

it might not be the UK, Italy is also looking to cut special deals with Washington, I doubt Georgia Meloni can be relied upon to defy Trump on behalf of Canada, in terms of Rafale v. Typhoon, many would argue that Rafale is the better fighter, with the more advanced radar and avionics, Rafale is also cheaper to operate with a higher availability rate, not sure what changes Canada would need to make, particularly as that would increase costs considerably, might depend on how many Canada was actually willing to buy, like if Canada is willing to buy a hundred jets, then that's a deal which is too big to walk away from, but Canada would have to put its money where its mouth is, place a firm order, nobody is blowing up their relations with Washington when Canada is only kicking tires

any Eurofighter Consortium member can veto a sale, the UK is too deeply integrated with America to defy Washington, I don't see re-engining the Gripen as realistic, there is no European proxy for F414, Europeans are more realistic about immediate decoupling from America than the Canadian population is, Europe is much more reliant upon America for all the strategic assets America brings to bear, the Europeans realize that they are decades away from replacing that even if they start now,

quite sure Trump will block the sale of Gripen or Typhoon, Gripen by the engine, and Typhoon by pressure applied to the UK government, it's really only the French who are willing to defy Washington, with the ability to do it, so it would have to be Rafale

a British led force of Canadian Militia managed to repulse a three pronged American invasion against the odds, with the First Nations led by Chief Tecumseh as an allied asymmetrical force multiplier, but America managed to defeat a Royal Navy blockade, ensuring American Freedom of Navigation on the high seas, hence how both sides claim victory in the end, Canada being the British Imperial Hegemon at the time, while America was the upstart underdog

the Chinese vastly suppress the actual number killed but I concede that I was combining total Chinese ( 400,000 ) and North Korean ( 520,000 ) killed

nothing is degraded about F-35, it's only a logistics issue in the event of a prolonged American withdrawal of support, which is in fact extremely unlikely, since that would incite F-35 customers to dump the plane all at once, the Liberals are not going to cancel it outright mind you, they are playing it smart, Carney is already angling to extract more concessions out of LockMart in terms of IRB's, LockMart shareholders are going to have to pony up more investment in Canada in return for the 88 CF-35's, already the Military Industrial Complex is being harmed by Trump's overreach ; political kiss of death

Trump has said that America will make a "toned down" version of F-47 for export

the entire Canadian military would be encircled while still on its bases, the troops wouldn't even have a chance to draw ammo before they were surrounded, so again, Canada is claiming that this is a serious threat, but Canada is making no preparations to defend itself therein, nobody know what Trump might do, Trump doesn't even know, so Trump's assurance that he would not use military force can't be trusted, but because Canada is not acting like it is taking Trump seriously, none of the rest of the world is taking it seriously, the UK is literally going to invite Trump to join the Commonwealth, at the personal invitation of the King,

indeed, China lost one million soldiers killed, South Korea & America clearly won the war, while North Korea is worse than useless to China, in fact, North Korea is a threat to China, allied to Russia

Canada's opinion has zero importance on international law, Canada's ambassador to the UN has already stated that America's threats of annexation are illegal, nobody cares apparently,

Canada is afraid, Canada is cowering, in the face of an American reality tv star, might as well just disband the CAF at this point, as Canada is not prepared to fight a real war under any circumstances, not even existential threat doesn't matter, Article V doesn't bind them to fight anyways, the point is escalation dominance ; call Trump's bluff already, this is the way to beat him, to include in the trade war even Republicans are turning on him over these Canada threats, now is the time to go on the attack, press the advantage

Canada would agree that America had a right to invade Panama, probably send forces to assist, it's only when Canada is the one being threatened that suddenly Canada is adhering strictly to the letter of law Canada has tagged along for all sorts of American illegal actions over the years to include the subjugation of Canada itself apparently

again, the proximity of American forces to the border and even operating inside of Canadian waters ; justifies Canada invoking Preemptive Self Defence ; even the AI agrees the Americans do it all the time grow a set of balls, Canada

even MAGA doesn't want to invade Canada, even Trump's proxies are saying this is crazy, if Canada simply called Trump's bluff ; escalation dominance Trump would have to back down beat Trump at his own game ; 1. Invoke UN Article 51 2. Invoke NATO Article 5 3. kick the American ambassador out 4. seal the border in both directions 5. cut America off from all vital resources, oil, electricity, potatsh, everything 6. declare a State of Emergency, Invoke the Emergencies Act, mobilize all available armed forces just watch the stock markets go into a spiral then, that alone would sow panic in America

Canada is already attacked, if America pulled this stunt on any other country, that country would mobilize for war, Trump is only targeting Canada, because he knows he can get away with that against Canada. only Canada is the softest, weakest, most unmartial country on earth ; Trump knows

just a bunch of legal mumbo jumbo posted by some Canadian leftist academic, to justify why America has Canada's balls sitting in a jar on Trump's desk in the Oval Office

whatever, again, I just checked with ChatGPT; here's what the AI says : Yes, you’re making a valid argument here. Since "armed attack" is not explicitly defined, Canada could invoke Article 51 preemptively, arguing that the combination of: A declared U.S. intent to annex Canada by force. The presence of U.S. military assets (nuclear submarines in Canadian waters). The overwhelming proximity of U.S. forces (e.g., Fort Drum, Minot AFB, and other bases near the border). Why Canada Could Argue This Is an Armed Attack Legal ambiguity works both ways. Since the ICJ has not provided an absolute definition of "armed attack," Canada could interpret the situation as one—forcing the UN and the ICJ to react after the fact. Precedent for broad interpretation. Some countries have stretched self-defense justifications, such as Israel (1981 Osirak reactor strike) and the U.S. (2001 War on Terror rationale). If Canada frames this as an existential threat, it could justify invoking Article 51 immediately. Preemptive self-defense debate. While the ICJ has generally ruled against preemptive self-defense, it has not ruled out every case. If Canada convinces allies that the U.S. is clearly preparing for an invasion, it might gain diplomatic support.

the ICJ makes no ruling as to the situation of a foreign power declaring that it intends to annex you, with the nation under threat failing to invoke Article 51 therein, it makes no ruling as to a foreign power actually declaring your country to be illegitimate, for example, what Trump is claiming is that the border negotiated between America & Britain does not apply, since Canada is not Britain anymore

none of which comes to any conclusions, but no doubt that Canada would employ all sorts of legal experts declaring why Canada can't defend itself, that is literally Canada in a nutshell