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No, what I said was there are many examples of apostasy and heresy today. Tattooing is just another one of those heresies. Each heresy could be in a totally different church.

That's not accurate. The fact is many Christian theologians disagree with tattooing. I gave you some examples of some important ones. I already explained to you that ceremonial laws in Leviticus only applied to Israel at that early time in history and don't apply today. But there are some moral laws given in Leviticus which are eternal. I'm sure you could find some yourself. I mentioned bestiality. Do you think the prohibition against bestiality applies today? So it is a matter of beliefs. I gave ample reasons why tattooing is disrespectful of a person's body. If some people don't believe that, it is just another sign of apostasy and twisting the Scriptures. You know yourself we have thousands of denominations with many different cults and heretical interpretations of the Bible. That is what this is all about. What you are trying to advocate or support, that is, tattooing, is heresy. Plain and simple. I think we should just agree to disagree. I don't see any way we are going to agree on it.

The article I posted says that all through history Christianity has understood the Bible as opposing tattooing until recently. It is only in recent years, that some Christians have fallen away from the Bible on that. What you quoted is obviously the group of modernist, liberals who have fallen away from the Bible and embraced liberalism and heresy. That is happening in a lot of churches. I know this for a fact as I have seen things in churches that are contrary to the Bible. I can point out several if you like. 1. A third of churches have become Charismatic which is a heretical movement contrary to the correct interpretation of the Bible. 2. Modernist rock type music in churches which is also heretical. 3. Use of corrupt versions of the Bible which attack the basic doctrines of Christianity and create doubt rather than faith. We had the debate before and you have fallen for the corrupt versions as well which might also explain why you believe in tattoos. 4. Some denominations taking a very waffling position on abortion and medical assistance in dying. Again contrary to the Bible. Some also accept and perform same-sex marriage. Some have homosexual or lesbian ministers. This is all contrary to the Bible. 5. Women ministers and elders. Also contrary to the Bible. 6. The ecumenical movement which is churches joining together with false churches and apostate churches. The join together under the desire for unity but neglect concern about the doctrine and practices of the churches that join together. This is contrary to 2 Corinthians ch6. (be ye separate and touch not the unclean thing) The ultimate aim is to form a one-world religion under the anti-Christ. So it should be no surprise that some think tattoos are fine.

You don't seem to understand Poilievre cannot cover any significant amount of Conservative values simply because the Policy Declaration has 189 items to it. He would be talking for days if he had to describe all the policies of the party. It would make more sense for you to read their document online if you want to know what they believe. Of course it has grown over the years and it would much different and much broader than former conservative party policies. When Poilievre is speaking, he is only speaking about a tiny fraction of the party policies, usually things that concern the public such as the massive debt, the failing of the Liberal party to deal with the major problems such as housing, crime, etc. I'm not sure what your problem is. You seem to think conservatives should go back 60 years. 03e5bd1329256f1.pdf

Former Liberal PM Jean Chretien was interviewed on the CBC a couple weeks ago and spewed a lot of anti-Alberta garbage. CBC reported the interview: "Smith frames Alberta’s pipeline proposal as “a test of whether Canada works as a country” since other provinces and territories get to export their key products around the world while her province faces restrictions. Alberta throne speech pledges new pipelines and a boost for artificial intelligence Alberta will need B.C. government’s support to build proposed pipeline: energy minister Chrétien dismissed Smith’s argument, saying the province is landlocked and “they never sold as much oil as they do today, and they’re complaining as if they were bankrupt.” “You know, you’re not alone in a country. You live with other provinces, we’re all Canadians, and the values of Canada says we’re able to share,” the former prime minister said. unquote Chretien obviously doesn't know what he is talking about. Chretien says Alberta is selling a lot of oil. But he ignores the fact that 90% of the oil goes to the U.S. He ignores the fact that Quebec and B.C. are blocking pipelines to tidewater which would allow Alberta to sell twice as much oil and ship overseas to the rest of the world. That would also bring in billions of dollars for Canada. The fact is Alberta contributes billions of dollars in equalization payments that goes to Quebec. Alberta gives, Quebec takes. The CBC should ask Quebec why they blocked Energy East from building a pipeline through Quebec to ship Alberta's oil across the Atlantic and into the maritime provinces. Ask Chretien why Quebec blocks fracking and natural gas extraction in Quebec. Alberta contributes far more than it's share to Confederation. Quebec just receives and doesn't give. Chretien is no help to national unity. He doesn't understand the west and doesn't care. We in the west are just the slaves of Quebec and the east.

" Friend, God loves you and desires more than anything you love and obey Him. He desires first of all obedience unto salvation by receiving the Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:12). And after salvation, His will for you is to serve and love Him with all you heart, body, mind and soul. You won’t regret it! It’ll be worth it one day! If you are truly a Christian and still have doubts about whether the tattoo is the perfect will of God, go back through this article with an open Bible and an open hear. Prayerfully, look up the verses. And before you start, pray and ask the Holy Spirit to "guide you into all truth" (John 16:13)." You need to go to the link and read the whole article carefully. You are obviously badly deceived and need to be delivered from that. Don't let pride get in the way. If you desire to know the truth, you can learn it and it will set you free.

I know it is useless to post this in a reply to User because he calls anything I quote spam. But for anyone that wants to know the truth this is for them." " DEFILING THE TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD Most Christians, even the most carnal and backslidden, would never desecrate or defile the local church building. Even among most lost people there is a reverence and sacredness to the church building. But. . . Did you know? If you are truly born again the Holy Spirit of God dwells within in (John 14:17, Romans 8:9, 11) and your body is the temple of God. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 makes this very clear. And . . . Did you know? The Lord warns several times of the seriousness of defiling the temple of God – your body! In 1 Corinthians 3, the Lord clearly and sternly warns against defiling your body – the temple of God. If any man defiles the temple of God – HIM SHALL GOD DESTROY! My Christian friend, you’d better watch what you do with your body. It is the temple of a Holy God. You’d better not defile it with pagan, devil-worshipping tattoos! ". . . If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy. . ." What God said – He meant! Do you really believe the Lord Jesus Christ is pleased with a Christian wearing a pagan tattoo? Do you honestly believe God’s perfect will is for a Christian, any Christian, to be "marked" with a demonic tattoo? With the unbiased documentation and Bible we’ve given (and we could supply much, much more) there is no question to the pagan and devil-worshipping source of the tattoo. Every tattoo historian I’ve read, traces the root of the tattoo to religious paganism. Every one. 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 is another warning against the tattoo. Notice the warning against the "fellowshipping" and concord with Christ and Belial (the devil). Verse 16 is very interesting. . . As it relates the "fellowshipping" with your body – the temple of the living God. I realize in writing this, a lot of Christians (or so-called Christians?) could care less what God says. They’re gonna do what they want to do – despite heaven or hell. But there are many Christians who want to serve God more than anything – with ever fiber of their soul. I’ve talked to many, many Christians who were thinking about getting a tattoo. But after showing them the satanic origin of the tattoo they realized a tattoo was not the will of God. And it was for those "good and faithful servants" of the Lord Jesus Christ that this was written for. Friend, God loves you and desires more than anything you love and obey Him. He desires first of all obedience unto salvation by receiving the Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:12). And after salvation, His will for you is to serve and love Him with all you heart, body, mind and soul. You won’t regret it! It’ll be worth it one day! If you are truly a Christian and still have doubts about whether the tattoo is the perfect will of God, go back through this article with an open Bible and an open hear. Prayerfully, look up the verses. And before you start, pray and ask the Holy Spirit to "guide you into all truth" (John 16:13).

"Whenever missionaries encountered tattooing they eradicated it." (Gilbert, Steve, Tattoo History: A Source Book, p. 101) Perhaps read the article I posted just now immediately above this post.

This is your opinion, not supported by definitive scripture. "The fact is. . . Up until a few years ago, virtually everyone, including the most liberal Christian, KNEW the tattoo was clearly forbidden by the Word of God. And throughout history, the tattoo has ALWAYS been condemned by Bible Believing Christians. Always. Every historical resource ever written on tattoos clearly confirms this fact." " Merrill F. Unger's, very popular and authoritative, Unger's Bible Dictionary under the definition for "Mark" includes the following reference for Leviticus 19:28: Notice that Unger teaches that tattoos were forbidden without any reference to pagan, heathen, or idolatrous usages. In other words, the tattoo itself, regardless the reason, was forbidden. Amen. Brother Unger. Wycliffe’s Bible Encyclopedia under the definition for TATTOOING distinctly says: The New American Commentary on Leviticus 19:28 writes the condemnation was for, "cutting the body either for the dead or with tattoo marks." (Mark F. Rooker, The New American Commentary on Leviticus, 2000 ed., p. 262) Explicitly recognizing the tattoo was not "for the dead." Do you see how dishonest and disobedient this "it doesn’t apply to my New-Testament-Christian-marked-for-Jesus-tattoo" is? Find what you don’t like in the Word of God, cut it out (doesn’t apply to New Testament Christians) or misapply (it’s just for the DEAD, when it’s clearly NOT). Same tactics used by the satanic cults and heretics for years. You can prove anything and everything with such deceitful methods. THE "FORBIDDEN" HAIRCUT One of the silliest and childish arguments to justify the Christian tattoo is the: "Hey man, do you get a haircut or trim your beard? God condemned getting a haircut or trimming your beard in the verse before forbidding the tattoo. Dude, the tattoo is the same as getting a haircut." Believe it or not . . . this is a widely used argument. Leviticus 19:26-28 is a clear condemnation of pagan, witchcraft and heathen practices. Look at the context. Verse 26 is plainly referring to "enchantment [spells or witchcraft] nor observe times [astrology]. . . Verse 28 is the pagan, demonic practice of bloodletting [cuttings in your flesh] and tattooing. Why would the Lord stick in the middle a verse that "condemns simply getting a haircut"? Of course, He wouldn’t. . . And He didn’t. . . The condemnation found in verse 27 of "rounding the corners of your head" or "mar the corners of thy beard" was the forbidding of a common pagan practice that cut the hair as worship and honor of the hosts of heaven. Here’s how Matthew Henry’s and Coffman’s Commentaries reflect on the "forbidden haircut" of Leviticus 19:27: The fact is. . . Up until a few years ago, virtually everyone, including the most liberal Christian, KNEW the tattoo was clearly forbidden by the Word of God. And throughout history, the tattoo has ALWAYS been condemned by Bible Believing Christians. Always. Every historical resource ever written on tattoos clearly confirms this fact. Up until a few years, virtually every commentary written understood Leviticus 19:28 as an open condemnation of the tattoo. The Christian acceptance of a tattoo was not even considered for serious discussion. Jameison-Faussett-Brown Commentary and Explanatory on the Whole Bible writes under Leviticus 19:28 James M. Freeman in his excellent book, The New Manners & Customs of the Bible, says of Leviticus 19:28: Coffman's Commentary on the Old and New Testament under Leviticus 19:18 says: Charles R. Erdman in his commentary on Leviticus 19:28 writes: But Naves famous Topical Bible puts it best. Under the topic "Tattooing", Nave’s simply and bluntly writes: "TATTOOING, forbidden, Lev. 19;28" (Nave's Topical Bible, p. 1312)" TATTOOS & THE BIBLE So Bible scholars pretty well universally say getting tattoos are forbidden.

I gave you an explanation. Tattoos are not fitting for someone who is a new creature in Christ. I will add the caveat that people with tattoos who become Christians after they have them or got them after as an error in judgment or fell into error, may have to live with them if they can't get them removed. If they are true Christians God forgives them. I told you they identify with the world, the flesh, and the devil. They fit more with the lust of the flesh and the pride of life, which are not what being a Christian means. I gave another example, bestiality is forbidden in Leviticus. Of course it is forbidden today and forever.

There are certain ceremonial laws in Leviticus that only applied to the nation Israel at that time in history. There are other laws in Leviticus that are moral laws that apply to everyone for all time. This is where discernment comes in and study of the New Testament. Some laws in Leviticus apply for all time. Another example of a law that applies for all time is the law forbidding bestiality. The command in Leviticus 19:28 forbidding marking the body would be something that applies to all time because the body belongs to God and the image tattoos portray for a Christian are not good. Tattoos are often associated with a certain kind of worldly attitude related to the world, the flesh, and the devil. A Christian is someone who is a new creature, a son of God, and not a part of this world's thinking. Tattoos send the wrong message. This verse sums it up. "17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." 1 Corinthians 5:17 KJV

" One reason we should take the Bible literally is because the Lord Jesus Christ took it literally. Whenever the Lord Jesus quoted from the Old Testament, it was always clear that He believed in its literal interpretation. As an example, when Jesus was tempted by Satan in Luke 4, He answered by quoting the Old Testament. If God’s commands in Deuteronomy 8:3, 6:13, and 6:16 were not literal, Jesus would not have used them and they would have been powerless to stop Satan’s mouth, which they certainly did. The disciples also took the commands of Christ (which are part of the Bible) literally. Jesus commanded the disciples to go and make more disciples in Matthew 28:19-20. In Acts 2 and following, we find that the disciples took Jesus’ command literally and went throughout the known world of that time preaching the gospel of Christ and telling them to "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31). Just as the disciples took Jesus’ words literally, so must we. How else can we be sure of our salvation if we do not believe Him when He says He came to seek and save the lost (Luke 19:10), pay the penalty for our sin (Matthew 26:28), and provide eternal life (John 17:3)? Although we take the Bible literally, there are still figures of speech within its pages. An example of a figure of speech would be that if someone said "it is raining cats and dogs outside," you would know that they did not really mean that cats and dogs were falling from the sky. They would mean it is raining really hard. There are figures of speech in the Bible which are not to be taken literally, but those are obvious. (See Psalm 17:8 for example.) Finally, when we make ourselves the final arbiters of which parts of the Bible are to be interpreted literally, we elevate ourselves above God. Who is to say, then, that one person’s interpretation of a biblical event or truth is any more or less valid than another’s? The confusion and distortions that would inevitably result from such a system would essentially render the Scriptures null and void. The Bible is God’s Word to us and He meant it to be believed—literally and completely." Can/should we interpret the Bible literally? | GotQuestions.org I'm not sure what you believe as you've never really said. But the Bible is the foundation of Christian beliefs. For Further Study

How do you know what to take literally and what not to take literally? Or is there anything in the Old Testament you would take literally?

Not sure what your point is. Perhaps you want to sound very accommodating to everyone here. That seems to be the belief of most people today. Everyone do your own thing, right.

Leviticus 19:28 says "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD." Why do you think the verse doesn't apply to tattoos? Do you have a clear explanation?

Didn't I post the reasons before as to why the Bible should be believed? For one thing, Jesus performed many miracles including raising the dead to life, the most important being He was raised from the dead three days after He was crucified and seen afterward by many eye witnesses. That means everything he said was true.

There you are; at least you admit you don't take the Bible seriously and think you can make fun of it. I have news for you. Making fun of the Bible is one of the most foolish things anyone could do. You may find out one day that the King James Bible is God's inerrant, divinely preserved word to mankind. Therefore it should be treated with respect. When Dad tells his kids not to do certain things, it should be taken seriously, don't you think? I don't claim to be an expert on the interpretation of the Bible. But it just seems to me that kids dressed up for Halloween by painting their faces or for fun doesn't quite mean the same thing as tattooing one's face. I could be wrong I grant you. It may be a grey area.

No, I think you posted the kid pictures to make fun of the topic. Since when do you care?

Are they real tattoos? I doubt it. Kids dressing up for halloween maybe.

I doubt they are permanent. Probably wash off. It's a kid's thing.

Don't think those are genuine tattoos. Just kids decorations that wash off. No these kids painting their faces won't burn in hell for that reason. But you might if you continue to reject the gospel. Funny how you like to play games on these things. You know I am willing to help you find the truth, but you could find it yourself in the King James Bible too. But you have to be serious for once. "16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: " 2 Timothy 3:16 KJV The Bible says we are all fallen sinners in need of salvation. Where one's soul goes for eternity is the most important thing in the world. Something to ponder. Read the gospel of John in the KJV Bible.

I think Liberals believe they should spend like mad because eventually they will be defeated by the Conservatives who will then have to clean up the mess or try to. Then the Conservatives will look bad in the next election campaign because the Liberals will continue to make all their wild promises of freebies. The people will swallow it and vote the Liberals back in. And so the cycle will repeat itself. Years of Liberal squandering of taxpayer money and a few years of Conservatives trying to clean up the mess. The cycle is predictable and never changes much. That's why Canada's history has been 2/3 of the Liberals rule and 1/3 the Conservative rule. One spend wildly and the other tries to clean up the mess.

We have many people who oppose changing our failing health care system. They give several reasons for their opposition: 1. They are scared of any kind of dual system such as Germany has. Therefore they oppose any kind of adding some private care services claiming it is done for profit and therefore it is somehow evil. 2. They believe the NDP and union's claims that any private care is evil and therefore should be opposed. They would rather keep our failing system at the expense of the lives of millions of Canadians. 3. They think the only alternative is the American system which is a lie. We don't have to copy the American system and that is not being suggested at all. Don't be fooled by the ideological driven people who demand to keep our failing system. Germany has one of the best systems in the world. You can read about the system in Germany on a number of websites. Just Google health care system in Germany. "The German healthcare system is one of the most comprehensive and efficient in the world. Its foundations lie in principles of solidarity and universality, ensuring that all citizens and residents have access to necessary medical services." The German Healthcare System Explained - Structure, Costs, and Benefits

Why would you even consider defending our failed health care system??? That makes no sense. You never mentioned the millions of Canadians that don't even have a family doctor. You didn't mention the thousands of people that have died on long waiting lists for specialized care or cancer treatment, etc. Then there are the Emergency Room closures in many places that are common. There are many things wrong with our system. I never suggested comparing our system with the American system. Funny how some people bring it up as some kind of excuse to keep our failing system as it is. What a disaster that is. Take a look at the system in Germany. It is considered one of the best systems in the world. quote Germany has a universal multi-payer healthcare system that combines statutory and private health insurance, ensuring comprehensive coverage and access to high-quality medical services for all residents. Overview of the System Germany's healthcare system is one of the most advanced in the world, characterized by its dual insurance model consisting of statutory health insurance (Gesetzliche Krankenversicherung, GKV) and private health insurance (Private Krankenversicherung, PKV). This system is designed to provide universal coverage, ensuring that all citizens and residents have access to necessary medical services. Key Features Universal Coverage: Health insurance is mandatory for all residents in Germany. As of 2024, about 88% of the population is covered by statutory health insurance, while around 11% opt for private insurance. Funding Mechanism: The system is primarily funded through contributions from employees and employers, calculated as a percentage of income. For GKV, the average contribution is about 14.6% of gross income, with an additional individual premium. Public vs. Private Insurance: Statutory Health Insurance (GKV): This is the most common form of insurance, covering a wide range of medical services, including preventive care, hospital treatment, and outpatient services. Family members without independent income can be covered at no extra cost. Private Health Insurance (PKV): Available for high-income earners, self-employed individuals, and civil servants, PKV offers broader coverage and shorter waiting times. Premiums are based on individual risk factors, such as age and health status. Access to Care: Patients can access a wide range of healthcare services without major restrictions. The system emphasizes solidarity, where healthier individuals help finance the care of those who are ill. Regulatory Framework: The Federal Joint Committee (G-BA) plays a crucial role in determining the benefits covered under GKV, ensuring that the system remains equitable and efficient. Historical Context Germany pioneered social health insurance in 1883 under Chancellor Otto von Bismarck, establishing a framework that has evolved to provide comprehensive coverage for all residents. The system has gradually expanded to include all citizens, with mandatory health insurance coverage established in 2007. Challenges and Considerations While the German healthcare system is highly regarded, it faces challenges such as rising costs, an aging population, and regional disparities in access to care. Continuous reforms are necessary to maintain its efficiency and effectiveness in meeting the needs of the population. In summary, Germany's healthcare system is a well-structured model that combines public and private elements to ensure comprehensive coverage and high-quality care for all residents, making it a benchmark for healthcare systems worldwide. 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Did you read the whole OP? It says "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD." Leviticus 19:28