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I think this topic is death anymore because there is no effort to understand each other. Everyone is stuck in their own claims.

I hope these modifications wont harm the forum traffic because there are many bad examples for these kind of changes and just a few examples for successful ones.

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What is an Islamist ? We dont have such concepts, we are just Muslims. What is secularism ? To seperate matter of state and matter of religion from each other ? or not to treat people according to their religious believes ?

Thanks, interesting song and appearently its quite old. Istanbul is really a fantastic city, I have been there a few times.

Is not it also interesting that the news is given with "tourist" title and they dont even mention he was a professor at Bogazici the number one Turkish University.

Then close the topic. What is the purpose to start a topic ? We dont need any topics to discuss politics, according to your mind. You can reply everyone "you did it too" , "you are also doing it", "you would also do the same". So there is nothing to discuss.

Yes and this topic is about why you are such fat, its not about why I am fat (despite I am not fat but just the opposite quite fit).

He was not an ordinary "tourist", he was the prime mover of creating a domestic social platform in Turkiye. According to the news he was murdered by "thieves" but it is quite suspicious when we consider how effective it would be to create a Turkish social media platform and power loss of Facebook and Twitter in Turkiye. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-man-dead-wyndam-resort-20160908-story.html

LoL why do you write this much, I really cant read and reply it without allowing too much time. I will read it one day in the future

He says something true. Is not it interesting that they could not win against ISIS while US supporting? them, but they suddenly started to win while Turkish Airforces supporting them. THe villages and cities which is controlled by ISIS since 3 years are taken back from ISIS in 10 days.HoW could someone explain that ? A few days ago one of our tank was shot by an ISIS missile and FSA guys were under intense attack and do you know what happened ? US jets were patrolling in this area and they didnt shot ISIS positions, then Turkish jets went to the area and bombed them. Did you hear any news about it ?

FSA commander says US shares the secrets about FSA with ISIS. Claims; * We can prove that many of FSA operations are prevented by US because of US give the details of operations to ISIS. * US is giving Syrian lands to PYD terrorists. * We have lost against ISIS in all conflicts under the support of US but we won all the conflicts against them under the support of Turkiye. I share a Turkish source, I dont think that I can find a US or European news source about it. http://www.analizmerkezi.com/oso-komutani-abd-sirlarimizi-iside-verdi-1300-muhalif-olduruldu-62497h.htm

Yes and No, so in many cases you dont need to be a religious person to be a moral person because anyone can think with logic. But in some cases, you cant explain the things only with logic. There are some things you cant explain with science. I think this is the point where religion is involved to morality.

Yes because this is a topic related with Israel, not Sultan Erdogan. I talk about governments and all the citizens who supports illegal actions of their government.

Actually, before Islam, the word "kafir" was never used with its meaning in Quran. Therefore we need to look at usage of it in Quran to understand that what does it really mean. Its about hiding something but how its used in Quran ? You can find the verses which includes the word "kafir", there are search sites for it. You will realize that its not used to describe "non-Muslims" but used to describe the persons agressively try to hide and distort Islamic concepts or verses. Just the opposite Quran orders justice in many verses, even I think that its only about justice, does not matter whether or not you are a Muslim. It says even if its your father, you will never behave unjust to someone, so you wont even defend your father if your father is the wrong side. Everyone has equal rights in Islam as long as you are not an agressive and unjust person. Morality is something eternal and untimely, for example theft was a bad action 10.000 years ago and today its still a bad action. So its a false premise to say religion is not belong to today. Religion does not order you to use steam trains instead of electric trains. Just the opposite it orders you to be open for innovations. Its think that it was written by the people of the time and have nothing with something holy. Its just the opposite for us. Yes its perfect to think that a great power protects you, everyone likes the idea is not it ? Why its something cute for humanbeing ? Because of we have innate faith in God. The main thing is to realize the existence of God by logic. I dont know the other religions but in Islam you are ordered to think about the existence of God in many verses, I love this verse soo much "These are the Muslims, they think about the existence of God while walking or while sitting or while lying on their side." Islam does not order you to believe in a holy power somewhere behind the clouds without any proof or logical explanation, it want you to think about it. I dont think many persons who claims being Muslims claim being Muslim because of they realize the existence of God by logic but they claim being Muslim because of their families was performing such an action. If it was such easy to create a religion just because of you like to be protected, Superman and Batman would create their own religions with millions of followers. Thanks for your advice, I am a Muslim because of I have critical thinking capacity.

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LoL you blamed me of posting out of the topic but currently you are posting out of the topic. You need to start another topic If you want to discuss about politics of Turkiye and I will reply your false claims.

Yes it is funny It is a protest against "war crimes" of Israel and all the other illegal actions of it. Related with the topic.

LoL, your posts makes me laugh

No I dont. I explain it with the logical way. It makes no sense if we get it as you say. For example from the same Surah; Verse 3 orders not to fight against Mushriks (not non-Muslim) as long as they didnt violate the peace agreement. Verse 5 orders even if someone fights you first but after all he/she gives up and rejects to fight, then you have to protect him/her and you have to escort him/her until he/she reaches a safe place. Verse 6 orders to be honest/fair against Mushriks as long as they behave the same way against Muslims. Verse 11 orders to fight and target especially the leaders of those who attack Muslims. etc etc etc... This is why I want you to read the surah from beginning. Your claims makes no sense. Note: There is no word in the verse which meets English "infidel". There is no word in entire Quran such a word. Verse says Mushriks and they also believe in God but its a bit different, research please.

Yes ofcourse you can do it. Criticizing illegal movements of someones is not a racist behavior.

Turkish descented Dutch politician rejects to shake hand with Israel politician and show him Palestine flag LoL VIDEO LINK

Nope, you are trying your best to distort its meaning but you contradict with your own claims. first you need to decide that are we going to make someones Muslims by force ? or we are going to kill all the non-Muslims ? You cant claim both. If you claim both, then why the verse says fight them until they pay war compensation. Are we not going to murder them ? or are we not going to force them to be Muslims ? What the hell now are we going to force them to pay money ?

Yes, finally someones understand me. Its translated as "non-muslim" because of hiding the facts about Quran is done by non-Muslims. But this does not mean all the non-Muslims are kafir.