Altai

I really cant do anything for you. You are heavily brainwashed about my country. Believe what you want to believe I dont care.

We cant accept this kind of "surveys" as "reliable scientific sources". We could find hundreds of thousands similar surveys with different results. Everyone can make a "survey" somewhere unknown with someones unknown unders some conditions unknown. Trying to create a perception on people that "religions are bad" is not a moral behavior. By making these kind of news to blame religious people is a good example that how atheist prespective contradict with itself even at the first second. They make a great roughness to other people by claiming that they are the best one. Atheist: I am an atheist and I am superior to you religious craps. Religious: But you insult me Atheist: According to a survey we are the kindest persons you assh..le Religious: But you ... Atheist : Shut up youu terrorist, we are the nicest people on the Earth Religions : But you contradic.... Atheist : F...ck offfff !!! Another survey below finds just the opposite results with OP's survey. http://www.pewforum.org/2016/04/12/religion-in-everyday-life/

You are misinformed. Sorry that I cant advice you a reliable Western media organ to follow because all of them makes false propaganda news about my country. For example today they said that Turkiye have signed a peace deal with PYD terror organization, while we are actively bombing them. They are amazing when it comes to lie, like a lying machine. Dogan Media is one of the strongest company in Turkiye and they are anti govt. Some journalists are detained or jailed because of violating constitution, noone of them are jailed because of they criticize government as you are told by your media. For example a few days ago a "journalist" threated people from his Twitter account with terror actions and was found out that he fled abroad, Probably your media would make news about him with such a title "Poor Turkish journalist had to flee abroad because of his opinions about Turkish democracy."

LoL wtf ?

I can reply your question with many different examples. Quran is considered as word of God. There is a verse in Quran that Allah forbids Muslims to seperate into groups. So anyone who seperates themselves are not Muslims. This is why our president always say "I am not a Sunni nor Shia, nor any other, I am only Muslim."

Hadiths are not the source of Islam. Also the hadith which you mention says Al-Akur, which means agressive, and al kelb al akur does not only mean dog but it means lion, tiger, wolf too. There are also another hadiths that Muhammad (sav) orders to bring out water from a well for a thirsty dog. Why dont you pay attention to this hadith ?

These differences have nothing with Quran. These are based on stories which is called as hadiths.

So you logically realize it that terrorism actions are wrong. This is why there are criminal laws for these logically recognized bad actions. The same way we logically realize that these verses cannot be interpreted as %0,006 do. Now I hope you understand.

Then why do you condemn terrorism actions ? Its just the opinion of terrorists. Why its considered as an illegal action ? Its wrong according to your opinion but its right according to the terrorists. How come you decide on their behalf ?

LoL I repeat the same things over and over again. Logic does not vary from person to person, truth does not vary from person to person. Its same for everyone. Just someones gets it and somes does not get it. This is why I wanted you to quote verses. "kill them wherever you find them" is one of the most famous verses. But everyone reject to read the pre-verses and after-verses. It starts as "fight against them whoever wants to fight against you, kill them wherever you find them and dont forget that Allah does not like the extremists, kick them out of your homes as they kicked you out of your home, tyranny and opression is much worse than killing someone." So if you read the verses together, you understand that this is a defence, not an attack. But non-muslims in general rejects to use their logic and tweezing the famous verse to distort what actually was meant. So this is why %0,006 is wrong and %99,99 is right.

If you are not interested to get into details you could say that at the beginning and we would not talk this much. You could say "I dont care what is true or logical, I want to believe that these terror groups are Muslims, I dont care the fact."

Okay I think we cant solve this problem without quoting the verses directly. So these %0,006 uses some specific verses as a reason for their terrorist actions. Quote them single by single and I will prove its of being wrong interpretation. Actually you can also do that yourself but you probably dont want to do that. Copy one verse and I will reply, then copy another one. Dont copy all at the same time please.

The point which you are stuck in is the idea of people may interpret something in different ways based on logic. and I say that logic is not something open to interpret. Its is ridiculous to claim %0,006 of being true interpreters while %99,99 rejects it.

and which is my point that your interpretation is wrong and you are not a "Muslim". If you were true you would not be alone in 16.000 other person, it would be roughly 8000 and 8000. The numbers would be close to each other. While everyone call the "trolling" as "making fun of topics by posting provocative contents" based on the roots of word "troll", you cant call it as "chocolate cake with a cup of tea", which is complately irrelevant with its roots. This would just be called as "naming". Like giving name to a puppy. Making assumptioıns that which interpretation is the true one is not also something depends on you. Its about the logic and logic does not vary from person to person, its the same for everyone.

I think this proposition is much more available for Western people. They are deliberately misinformed by their own state controlled media organs against Turkiye and other Muslim countries. The big part and the strongest media organs in Turkiye is owned and controlled by anti-government institutions or persons.

Nope, I say we would like to have such a chance to kick them out but this is not a company and anyone can claim being of a Muslim despite they are not. Wow actually this is a good idea. We can give people Muslim ID card but probably the terrorists produces fake cards with the support of Western countries in so short time. Anyway. I dont mean they are not "legitimate" Muslims, I mean they are "not" Muslims. The company has the same rules for everyone. I dont understand what you are trying to say. I talk quite open. Stop trying to add words in my words. I didnt say such things as you mean.

So then we discuss about the meaning of "troll" and about 16.000 persons in the forum says that it means "making fun of threads by posting provocative contents". Besides these 16.000 person, you say it does not mean such thing and it means "having a chocolate cake with a cup of tea". ( I gave the numbers based on the ratio between so called "Muslim" terror groups and the rest of Muslim World.) Which is most likely the true interpretation ?

Then there should be about fifty fifty dispersion of total number of employees on both rules. About half of them would be at work at 09.00 am and other half at 10.00 am. (dont consider the attractiveness of one hour less work) Here another contradiction, because there is a huge number difference between the ones who come at 09.00 am and who come at 10.00 am. The huge part of the employee come to work at 09.00 am. Hadiths and Quran can be considered as the section chief and company owner in our example. The section chief says "the work starts at 10.00am" and the company owner says "the work starts at 09.00 am". Here the authorized mouth is company owner, so Quran. It says "there is no compulsion in the system".

Its because of the word "troll" does not have a certain meaning. People call anyone as "troll" when they dont like the idea. This have nothing with the rules, the rule is clear, "no trolling". There is no any other "interpretation" of this rule. Deciding about the meaning of "troll" is a completely different thing.

Can you give me an example of a rule from Forum Rules with various interpretations of it ?

No I dont argue for what is true Muslim. Just the opposite I oppose such concepts because of its unreasonableness. Think it as a company, you and me are working in this company. There are rules, we both have to follow these rules to be a part of this company. I am following all the rules without exception but you violate some rules, for example you come late 1 hour every morning and you start at 10.00 am despite you have to start at 09.00 am according to company rules. Finally you been fired because of you dont follow the rules. This is the same for a religion too, the only difference we cant claim kicking people out of the religion. Anyone may claim being of a Muslim or Christian or whatever despite he/she does not follow the rules. They can perform any bad actions. This is not the problem of the religion which they claim of being a follower of it. Here you have to use your logic and decide for it.

Ofcourse not, I am just trying to understand your perspective, because its quite contradictory.

Rules does not vary from person to person, this is why they are called as "rule". Because they clarify a situation, they make something clear to do or not to do. You need to decide which one is Muslim ? The one kill people because of their religion order them to do so or the ones works 9-5 as an ordinary person. If you cant claim both is Muslim, this means both follow the same rules, then they have to act same. Here the contradiction in your perspective. I can find millions of such contradictions in the perspective about Muslims of non-Muslim countries.