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Does it reject ISIS ideology? Or does it just reject its methods?

I guess I'm just not as sensitive to it as you are. As an atheist, I'm not going to sit here and argue that their Unicorm is better than someone else's Tooth Fairy. Pretty much any unflattering statement about Muslims or their beliefs is a "steaming pile of horsepoo" to you. You have no idea what I denounce. I walked out of a class because the instructor was harrassing a Muslim girl mercilessly and I told the instructor why I was walking out. So shove over on your high horse and let me on, too.

Hmmmm.....yet you insist that Muslims do not need to denounce Islamic extremism and the fact that they are mostly silent on it should not indicate to the rest of us that they agree with or support it. In fact, you shit on anyone who suggests it would be nice if moderate Muslims spoke up more. But I'm supposed to get out my pitchfork and torch every time someone here says anything about Muslims that you feel is not flattering. Okaaaaaay......

I supported and agreed with Bissonette? Here? You'll have to show me where I said that. Cite please. I'll get to the rest of your accusations when you support the one above by showing the posts I have made here which agree with and support Bissonette.

Where does the British connection come in? WTF is it talking about this time?

I don't believe ISIS' claims, really. I also don't bellieve Altai has access to the Top Secret, high level "information" he/she/it posts here - always with no cite.

ISIS claimed responsibility for it, saying the shooter was a "recent convert to islam". I haven't heard anything statements by the CIA or FBI yet. Wonder how a "16 year old girl in Turkey" has access to that info?

Oh, sorry Dog. LOL

Does mainstream Islam say they are a legitimate expression of Islam? I have a freind who subscribes to these beliefs and he says they are not accepted as legitimate by mainstream Islam. Maybe your accusation is better directed to mainstream Islam, not the Dog? Unless you know something that my freind doesn't......

This is untrue. I check what everyone says, not just you. I am sure not all Muslims are violent. And not all of them hate Jews. I just believe these views are a lot more prevalent than you think. A lot more mainstream than you think. For instance, when I see 30-40 Muslims attack a young Israeli girl on a town's facebook page and not one of the other 100 Muslims on the site stop any of the rest of them, you are trying to tell me that these 30-40 Muslims are like the only ones in the world who hate Jews. How did all the Muslims in the world who hate Jews all end up in Fort Mac? Sorry, but it makes more sense to me that hatred of Jews is a lot more mainstream than you like to admit. You also deny that these mainstream beliefs have any effect on them, just because they didn't actually kill the Israeli girl. You argue that Muslims in general love Jews and respect women. I just don't see that being played out nearly as often as I see the opposite. Those beliefs are the roots of the hatred and violence Islam. Someone who is taught from birth that women are a sub-class of humanity that they are free to beat as they feel necessary and that Jews are dogs and pigs, that prays 5 times a day for victory over non-believers - these are extremist views to me and the holders of such beliefs only need a small push to become violent - an imam who preaches radical Islam or a father who feels his honour has been shamed by a daughter who refuses to wear a hijab or wants to date a non-Muslim and enlists the help of his sons to kill her. That kind of hate is like walking around with a loaded machine gun - at some point your'e going to use it on someone. You only denounce the actual violence, but make excuses for and deny the hate and beliefs that precede it. If there is as little hate, intolerance and violence in Islam as you say, then it is not in need of any reform. This is why you are confusing - on one hand you will occasionally, reluctantly agree that Islam needs reform, while at the same time insisting there is nothing going on in Islam that needs reform and it's all just bad press, Islam being picked on for no reason.

I think it's more because you have so many excuses for the bad ones and underestimate their numbers. Also, views that many of us would consider extreme are not viewed as extreme to you, but perfectly reasonable. You're a bit confusing. You claim to not be a Muslim, and claim to not be religious but it always seems like when people are arguing which imaginary freind is better - the Tooth Fairy or a Unicorn - you have a very strong opinion that the Unicorn is far better.

I think he's talking about your denial that Muslim extremism has anything at all to do with the teachings of Islam.

Interesting article - at least we finally have a definition of Islamophobia that Muslims are happy with: The guidebook, which seems to have been released in late September, appears to be heavily influenced by the National Council of Canadian Muslims, an activist organization based out of Ottawa. The RCMP pulled its support from a booklet published by the NCCM on extremism due to their problem with its “adversarial tone. While parliamentarians are currently grappling with how to define the term Islamophobia, the guide offers a broad definition to be recited to students that includes the mere dislike of political Islam: “Islamophobia refers to fear, prejudice, hatred or dislike directed against Islam or Muslims, or towards Islamic politics or culture.” "Any dislike of Islam's politics or culture". I'm not sure how much clearer the agenda could be.

How does a refugee claimant, not a citizen rent a u-haul? I have a feeling we paid for it with our tax dollars......

Yes, some people have trouble distinguishing between bad Muslims and good Muslims. Including you.

You always frame it as a black/white, one extreme or the other thing. Either people are "hysterical" and saying "were ALL going to die from terrorism" or we go to your extreme - ignore what's going on in Islam and humbly and meekly accept casualties as a part of doing business with Islam. There is no in between for you.

Iverson is doing press conference right now. He keeps talking "lone wolf" attack. How many "lone wolf" attacks have to happen before we see it's actually a pack of wolves?

Edmonton has been mentioned by ISIS many times as being on their list. Why didn't we listen?

http://www.cbc.ca/1.4315545 I was 5 blocks away on 97th. Tell me again how i dont have to worry about terror attacks from Islam in Canada. I dare you.

Yes, it's sad. At least JW's don't have an actual death policy for those who leave - it's a symbolic one - shunning and disowning. You can still get on with your life.

Si. That's why I recognize it now when I see it. All religions have it to some degree. Same as all relgions have comparables to cults. Some are just more "high-control" than others, though. JW and Islam - high control and very cultish.

It took me a while to figure out this about my former religion, too. I hadn't realized when I was in it, how arrogant our way of thinking was - we demanded everyone accomodate us and our beliefs, while refusing to accomodate others because our religion didn't allow accomodation. I see the same in Islam. And experienced it many, many times.

It's this part of the motion that concerns me: develop a whole-of-government approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination including Islamophobia, in Canada, while ensuring a community-centered focus with a holistic response through evidence-based policy-making The motion condemning anti-semitism did not mention a government approach or policy-making. If all people are entitled to equal rights, protection and benefits under the law, then when we start to legislate special policy for individual groups to increase or change that general protection, we stray from that principle. And let's face it, the key word in the motion is Islamophobia, which is not defined, it's left completely open-ended. Sam Harris described Islam as "the motherlode of bad ideas" - is that Islamophobic? Are Bill Maher and Richard Dawkins Islamophobic? Many supporters of Islam call them "islamophobic", and lump any criticism of Islam into the bucket of bigotry, Islamophobia and racism. The same ones who purport that any criticism of Islam MUST be rooted in bigotry, disguised in criticism of ideas. Islamophobia is a catch-all for any negative reactions to Islam, as we've seen here. Yes, I do think the motion could be used to introduce special laws designed to insulate Islam from any criticism (blasphemy laws) Or maybe it will just put Islamophobia into the vernacular of laws that already exist and define it in a meaningful way. I think part of that will depend on how Muslims themselves react to this motion and any laws that come out of it - will there be an influx of frivolous HR tribunals, dragging people into hearings about whether they walked on their carpet intentionally or the other people in the office ordered ham on the pizza when they know Muslims don't eat ham, so obvious "harrassment at work"? Could go either way, IMO.

It would be framed as a moral issue. If you don't support Islam's "special status" and exclusive blasphemy laws, then you are an Islamophobe, or a racist, or a communist, or a facsist, or a .......whatever. Most people don't like being called those names, as their views really aren't that extreme and don't really fall into those parameters. So they will go along with something their gut tells them is a wrong idea....to avoid those extreme labels, which when thrown around as they are right now, essentially stop moderate Muslims, ex-Muslims and Muslim supporters from expressing themselves.