WestCanMan

The fact is that they've got members of te top echelon of the FBI dead to rights on serious breaches of public trust now. Their reputation is totally shot imo. Republicans trust the FBI like a black southerner trusted the tabaccky-chawin' cop with the mirrored aviator glasses & the coon-hound back in 1955. "Yew ain't from 'round theez heah pahts, are ya boah?" *p-ting* "Speak up now boah, an gimme a reason-a throw yuh inna cell for a spell!"

It did rain intermittently [and lightly] during the day, over various parts of the crowd, but it definitely didn't rain on Trump during his speech. I don't think they did anything right to be honest. Luckily this was a relatively mild outbreak that wasn't fatal to almsot everyone who gets it, like Ebola. I think we'd both agree that some do more than others, and I'd say that Trudeau definitely focuses more on looking good to the rest of the world than he does on tending to the best interests of Canada - and by a large margin.

I don't even know who dofo is.

I've been saying since the beginning that being out in the sunlight was the right thing to do, I even posted the link about how they treated Spanish Flu patients outdoors. Hopefully they open the parks now here in BC. There are some awesome places to hike out here. That probably goes for most of the country.

Trudeau is good at handing out money. It's his go-to move. Does he even do anything else? 1) Pelosi is good at stalling tactics, and 2) giving checks to 328M people and 11M - 20M illegal immigrants is harder than giving cheques to 38M people. Especially when you get to do it unilaterally, with no input from the opposition on who gets it or how it is disbursed. Does your argument that Trudeau did a better job of fighting covid come down to cheques now? Are the cheques more important than blocking travellers from covid hotspots, screening at the airports, tracing potentially infected people, quarantines, wearing masks, etc?

Trump's travel ban saved lives. The comparison of California vs Canada proved that. In Cali they weren't being advised to wear masks or social distance before mid-March either. Quite the opposite, as per Pelosi's Feb 24 video. They beat us like a rented mule in the fight against covid. Of course you find great fault with Trump no matter what he does, you hate the way he rolls out of bed and you've never even seen it. He did a much better job fighting covid than Trudeau, much worse than _______________________ from [name almost any asian country]. Fact.

So.... nothing.

I still don’t see where you made mention of a useful policy enacted by Trudeau before March 16th dude. You babble about unimportant things, and in the end, you’ve said nothing useful. Trudeau Tam were wrong about banning travel, wrong about masks, they were way behind at every stage. They were actually more detrimental than useless, because they actively discouraged masks. WTF did Trudeau do that was useful to Canadians? Just say it. Don’t talk about anything else, just convince me that he wasn’t worse than useless. To date you haven’t said a thing. Say a specific thing or admit that he killed Canadians with his TOTAL uselessness.

The southern US Canada border is 3,500 miles long you dolt. 150 miles x 3,500 miles is 525,000 square miles. If that was all of Canada, that would still make Canada one of the world's top 20 largest countries, and there would only be 34M people in that whole area (by your own estimate of .9 of our population). There are 33M people in just the NYC MSA and the LA MSA. So in short, you're saying that the most densely populated 525,000 square MILES of Canada has almost the exact same population as two US metropolitan areas, and you think you just had a GOTCHA moment lol. You just have no clue wTF you're talking about dude. I'd have an easier time explaining this to a 12 year old who has yet to be indoctrinated with Liberal propaganda.

Jt is a complete idiot, and he still looks and stammers like an idiot. For your edification RtL, there are people who want to convince you that our situation is somehow comparable to an 800 sq km region of the US with 1/4 of our population and 13,500x our population density. Don't listen to them. They are idiots and propagandists.

Canada is 187th on the list of countries on earth by population density. By population we are 39th. By covid deaths were are 12th in the world.

Not one single person has managed to step up and point out an action that Trudeau took to slow down the progress of the virus within Canada before March 16th. In all honesty, the debate about whether or not Trudeau failed us is over right at the point where people can't name a single useful thing that he did, because doing nothing useful - when there were plenty of useful things that he could/should have been doing - is the definition of failure. Period.

My conversation with you today goes back to this: The reason why this is "the main topic" in this thread is that people who want to protect Trudeau, but know that they can't cite any direct action that he took, like to compare Canada's low death toll to that of "The US", which is basically a factor of what the virus did "in and around NYC's subway system, and in the surrounding densely populated areas." It's bullshit as a straight comp. If the US [with 8x our pop density] is a fair comparison to Canada, then Mongolia [with 1/2 our population density] is a fair comparison to Canada, right? Canada is 187th on the list of countries on earth by population density. By population we are 39th. By covid deaths were are 12th in the world. The population density of the countries ahead of us isn't even close. Russia 2x, Brazil 6x, Iran 7x, US 8x, Spain 24x, Turkey 27x, France 30x, China 40x, Italy 50x, Germany 58x, UK 70x. Russia, with double our pop density and 3x our population has 2,000 less covid deaths than Canada and they have 4,000 km of border with China. Iran has 81M people, and most of their country is uninhabited like Canada. The closer you look at Canada's covid stats, the more it becomes blatantly obvious that Trudeau and Dr Tam completely failed Canada. FYI this thread is about Trudeau's blatant failure to do anything to stop covid until March 16th, and Trudeau did nothing, period. Not one single person has managed to step up and point out an action that Trudeau took to slow down the progress of the virus within Canada before March 16th. In all honesty, the debate is over right at the point where people can't name a single useful thing that Trudeau did, because doing nothing useful - when there were plenty of useful things that he could/should have been doing - is the definition of failure. Period.

Here's what's true: Our population density is not comparable to America's pop density. Period. You have no real reason to assume that Canada would have better covid stats than America, do you? Anyone with half a brain can see from this map that a virus would rather reside in the eastern half of the US than anywhere in Canada. If you think that Canada's covid response was better than America's then surely you have some type of action we took that you could point to? Surely your insistence that Canada did more to fight covid is predicated on more than one misleading stat? Can you name one action? Just one?

I totally understand that you have no idea, I knew that long ago, but you obviously care or you wouldn't keep lying.

If you think that Canada's covid response was better than America's then surely you have some type of action we took that you could point to? It's really easy to cherry pick stats which are misleading. 1/9th of Canada's population rides the NYC subway system every day. The population density of the US is 8x what ours is. You'd have to spread the American population over the entire land masses of North America, South America and Europe to even out our population density differential. The stats don't compare in a straight line. You could compare the stats for the spread of aids in large cities vs small-town America and say that "preventative measures in the small towns are better!!!!" and that would be just as useful as this skewed covid comprison which you rely on. If you think that Canada's covid response was better than America's then surely you have some type of action we took that you could point to? Let's go zg.

So? Do they control Schiff's lying lips? Pelosi's? Nadler's? The impetus behind the newest impeachment sham is from the same group of drooling idiots as every other impeachment sham in the last decade.

OMG grow up. Do you think that's really true? The top Dems are going all-in on another "crucify Trump" lynch mob, this time over the handling of covid. Dipshits in Canada just gobble it up and regurgitate facts and stats without realizing that they are worthless and skewed. Being the voice of reason is tiresome, but I hate to turn a blind eye and let the idiots control the conversation.

1) That article is from a state-owned broadcaster with no more credibility than Tass or AL Jazeera. Check the top left corner. 2) From the article: "While every expert agreed the U.S. government flubbed its early response to the pandemic, most said the administration of U.S. President Donald Trump was just one element in the bigger story." There's a jab at Trump, but CBC doesn't mention the complete failure of "The Chosen One" to take any action at all before March 16th. 3) I don't have much doubt about what kind of "experts" they chose. Dr Tam is still widely-respected in Canada and I think you'd agree that her advice was basically to leave Canada open to travel from covid hotspots and tell people not to wear masks, turning Canada into a huge Petri dish. 4) The chart which excludes NY, NJ and CT is probably too truthful and hurts their position quite a bit, in their effort to undermine the efforts of the US. 5) The fact that the US has 8x Canada's population density wasn't even mentioned. Canadians social distance naturally by virtue of our geography. It would take actual effort to spread covid far and wide here. 6) "Trump was quicker in some aspects of his response than the Canadian government. He limited travel much earlier and promoted the use of masks earlier." They're acknowledging Trump did the two main things before Trudeau, but like I said, every country on earth got the jump on us.

But it's the main topic right now in north america. And honestly, if you looked worldwide, is there another country aside from Canada that did absolutely nothing before March 16th? I doubt it.

We were too cool to wear them before covid.

You'll like this speech from the Honeywell factory that just went up in 5 weeks: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/05/watch-live-trump-speaks-at-honeywell-mask-production-facility.html

Trump just rocked his speech today at Honeywell. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/05/watch-live-trump-speaks-at-honeywell-mask-production-facility.html It would be nice to have a PM like that who honestly gives a rip about our economy and our future, instead of killing off entire sectors of our economy and telling us hw much better everyone else is than us. This theme that Trump was on today, about bringing manufacturing back to America, is right in line with his campaign speeches from 2016, and it's exponentially more important now than it was back then. The Dems' only chance is to somehow get him impeached because they have no one to match him right now.

I appreciate your sensible, thoughtful response. I disagree about Aus. It's a bit smaller, but the population is smaller by a nearly equal amount so their density is right on par with ours. Their big cities; Brisbane, Melbourne, Perth and Sydney are comparable with our biggest cities. They're just kicking our ass, and the travel ban they implemented was obviously a big part of it. I think Aus is a really important study in the transmission of the virus, because they have so much control over the areas of access for their foreign visitors. It's easier to track the timeline of the virus entering that country because we know for certain when travel from China stopped, and when all inbound travel stopped. That being said, I don't think that it's fair for us to blame the US as being a big influencer for our covid situation because we didn't take any precautions at all until March 16th. The virus was free to get into Canada from every direction and our government was advising us not to wear masks. In truth, we could be just as guilty of contributing to their problem because the NYC subway system was the best petri dish on earth, and it's unlikely that there weren't at least a few Canadians who brought the virus down there with them. If 10 Canadians got on the NYC subway system with covid they could be responsible for thousands of cases. Do you honestly think California is a bad comp for Canada? They have almost our exact population, they have LA County with 10M people, they have lots of big cities, they weren't practicing social distancing any earlier or later than us, honestly the only major difference is the travel ban. If there's one thing that goes against the Aus and Cali comps I used it's the sunlight factor imo. I'm a big believer in the effect of sunlight fighting viruses. For starters, UV rays kill viruses, and also Vit D helps our bodies fight infection. Those countries dose their population with Vit D by virtue of their weather. People also spend more time outside and their human interactions take place outdoors more.... baseball, BBQs, etc. If you meet with people in Canada or NYC in Dec through March 15th it's in a home or a pub/restaurant. Seasonal flus are always on the wane in summer months, that's old news. Aus was in their summer at the start of the pandemic, and So-Cal's winter is basically the same as Vancouver's summer.

Yeah, but western nations weren't good enough, by far. Up until 2020, us crackers were too cool to wear masks. We were really screwed by it. Luckily this wasn't a more virulent strain. It could have been a lot worse.