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10 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:
the data being cited on the anti-vax side is that many people who are double vaccinated are getting the virus.
In Massachusetts they're getting infected at the same rate us the unvaxxed
QuoteYes, they can still get Covid, but many of those who do are asymptomatic or only have mild symptoms.
OMG, are we allowed to say that certain groups of people remain asymptomatic or get very mild symptoms now? Like, for example, unvaccinated people who are healthy?
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3 hours ago, myata said:
Until (and unless) I see clear answers to:
What is the risk of being infected, in numbers, in an open space; and in a well-spaced indoor space (grocery store, etc) at the low level of epidemics (for example, below 1 case per 10,000 capita) and how does it compare to other accidental risks?
there will be no more interest nor attention to whatever moves and passes are performed by those authorities and for whatever reasons. Without honest and correct information there can be no intelligent decisions and no public trust. Obtaining those answers now, a year a half later from people paid outrageously by the public to perform effective management with real results, not ongoing shows and performances would be the absolute minimum not for restoration of trust but for reaffirming minimal standing as citizens in own country. Otherwise how would we be different from low peasants, general pueblo not worthy nor deserving any meaningful answers?
At the start of the pandemic, when the WHO's advice flew directly in the face of conventional wisdom and then turned out to be 100% wrong (with drastic consequences), I found it odd that our leftist leaders were so firmly in support of the WHO.
In Canada we let infected people fly in here from China and wander around for almost 2 months, then on the same day that we stopped that, Canadians couldn't walk outside in provincial parks. We went from lalala no big deal let's hug incoming passengers to "OMG WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE IF WE DON'T STOP DOING EVERYTHING"! in one split second.
Some how Trump was the villain in all this, but he was the only politician in NA doing anything for over 90 days. All the leftists who were saying "Banning flights is racist! Ride the subway! Go hug people in big groups!" suddenly turned on a dime in March and then started acting like Trump did nothing. It was completely insane.
Then when statistics started becoming available online, our leaders and MSM kept on trying to deny the stats and replace them with anecdotes. IE, the stats said that only very sick, elderly people were at risk but the politicians and the news kept saying that 'everyone' was at risk. Then they started coming out with stories about a young nurse in China, or now a 56 year old guy in England.... Why do we need to hear stories about specific people in other countries if 25,000 people here died? Shouldn't stories about people like that dying in Canada be common?
Then we had the ridiculous restrictions about walking outside in provincial parks, but suddenly when Pelosi wanted people to riot, covid didn't infect looters... MIRACULOUS! Kids (who don't get covid) couldn't play baseball, with 20 people on a 40,000 sq ft diamond, because that would spread covid, but somehow hundreds of people could loot a store with no risk....? Oh, and god forbid anyone step inside a church unless they were looting it.
At every stage the government and MSM inundated us with absolute bullshit and now they want us to sign a waiver and take the experimental mRN vaccines....? Yeah right, I trust them about as far as I can throw a 747.
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10 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:
Alls I'm telling you is what you would call "anti-vaxxers" are actually saying. This is from the "anti-vaxxers" video you didn't watch.
What you or yours think of them is immaterial here. I'm just showing you what they're actually saying not what you'd like to believe they're saying.
BTW she also explains the bit about where the spreads began. She claims the variants began in areas (including India) where vaccine trials had been conducted. Did you catch that word, this time? "TRIALS."
The Delta Variant was first identified in India Dec. 1 & 11. So now read the below and this time look for the word trials.
Did you see it that time? See the the difference between what you want to believe she said and what she actually said?
Good. Now stop being such a dummy.
Everything in your post is worth of consideration.
I can't confirm or deny anything that a licensed physician said, but I do know that antibiotics are part of the reason why MRSA and other superbugs are becoming common. Theoretically, almost killing a certain type of bacteria can help it mutate into something stronger by natural selection.
Also, when antibiotics kill other bacteria, it gives superbugs an open lane to thrive:
QuoteIn both the hospital and the community, antibiotic resistance has emerged as a major public health problem. In fact, some scientists consider it the most important public health problem of the twenty-first century. The problem exists not just because bacterial mutation rates lead to a rapid accumulation of mutations (including drug-resistant mutations), but also because of the selective pressures that antibiotics impose. If a drug-resistant phenotype were to evolve and there were no antibiotic present, then that phenotype would fare no better than any other bacterial phenotype. In other words, it wouldn't flourish, and it might even die out. It is only when antibiotics are used that drug-resistant phenotypes have a selective advantage and survive.
The natural selection topic is the only one of interest here, but I included this last part because it's a good example of something that Drs take things into consideration that laymen like us would never think about.
Anyways, here's just some thinking on my part, so take it with a salt block:
Vaccinations used to work by putting weakened viruses, or viruses which could no longer replicate, into humans, to allow the body to develop immunity to the strain. Conversely, does putting vaccines into weak humans give the viruses a chance to find a way to defeat the body's slightly boosted immunity? Imagine billions of viruses replicating in different types of cells in a human body, one that's offering just enough of a vaccine-induced fight to give the viruses a good workout, but the infected person is really weak and their body just can't produce enough white blood cells to kill the virus entirely. Does the presence of the vaccine ensure that only viruses with a slight mutation emerge, instead of the dominant strain?
Again, just thinking out loud (virtually), and definitely not a good argument against vaccination.
My only personal reason to not get the vaccine is that the mRNA is experimental, the vaccines do real damage to some healthy people, the long-term effects are unknown, I don't want to sign a waiver to get vaccinated under those conditions, and C19 isn't strong enough to kill healthy humans yet.
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16 hours ago, Argus said:
This from the guy who worships 'covfefe' Don, the diaper man.
Trump made a typo in the middle of the night. Biden can't speak English at 1:00 in the afternoon.
There's no comparison between the cognitive abilities of Trump and Biden.
Oooh, a diaper comparison? Yay!
One of them actually wears diapers, one of them had an affair with a playboy bunny while he was married to a supermodel. This isn't a good topic for you.
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15 hours ago, Argus said:
We do know how many people who are getting sick are unvaccinated, and that's most of them.
We know how many people who tested positive for C19 in Massachusetts already had the vaxx - 75%.
Guess how many people there are Vaxxed? 73.2% have at least one dose, 64.3 have had both.
Apparently drinking water, breathing air and taking the vaccine give people in Massachusetts the same chance of getting covid.
QuoteNo, it did not. That's bullshit. He's a scumbag who sells people on 'natural' health care 'cures' as an alternative to the ones which work.
Natural health care does work against covid. Being healthy and taking proper precautions if you get covid are enough to ensure a full recovery.
QuoteHe's an anti vax moron who instead directs people to buy his 'natural' remedies and has made himself a fortune out of conning the gullible like you.
And who are you to call other people gullible Argus?
QuoteHe's an osteopath
Wikipedia:
QuoteUnited States[edit]
Main article: Osteopathic medicine in the United StatesAn osteopathic physician in the United States is a physician trained in the full scope of medical practice, with a degree of Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (DO).[121][11][122][123].
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Quoteand has no specialized knowledge about diseases and vaccines.
He's not an epidemiologist or a virologist but he's still a medical professional. You're just good at soaking up propaganda.
As an osteopath, his medical opinion on C19 is worth far more than Greta Thunberg's opinion on climate change or race relations, so leftists have no room to talk on this one.
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14 hours ago, Galloway said:
Yeah, it is. NPR is considered one of the best least biased sources out there, and here's there article:
You Literally Can't Believe the Facts Tucker Tells you. So says Tucker's Lawyers.
1) Telling the same lie twice doesn't make it true Galloway. The statement that you made in no way matches anything from that article.
2) NPR is almost as left-leaning and misleading as CNN.
QuoteI've watched Tucker lots of times, he's hilarious. I love the over-the-top quizzical look he's always got on his face, just before he goes on one of his deluded crazy conspiracy theory rants. Great comedy!
Oh you have an opinion, that's hilarious Galloway, but you still don't have the balls to name someone in the MSM that you think has an ounce of credibility. Why is that?
Stop being a coward and name a person or a news network that you think is credible.
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1 hour ago, Aristides said:
Typical Bidon. Got the number right at least, it’s 350 million doses.
That's less than 1 dose for every 2nd woman who's going back to work on account of Biden's tax credit (720M).
Luckily they're going to wait until their C19 loot runs out before they go back.
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44 minutes ago, Aristides said:
Unfortunately the CDC is not a credible source of data for Taxme. He relies on a tin foil hat.
The CDC isn't all that credible, and we all know who's wearing the tinfoil hats around here.
I believe their mantra goes something like:
Quote"MY TINFOIL HAT GIVES ME COMPLETE IMMUNITY TO MIND-CONTROL. I SAW IT ON CNN. WE CAN'T FORCE PEOPLE TO WEAR TINFOIL HATS, BUT PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE NOT TO WEAR THEM MUST BE SHUT OFF THE REST OF HUMANITY, BECAUSE MY TINFOIL HAT DOESN'T WORK IF I'M SITTING BESIDE SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE ONE!"
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51 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:
Why you are inventing ridiculous statistics!!!! You only discredit yourself with such lies and inflated figures.
The latest available statistics in America is 2018 for tuberculosis and shows only 542 deaths.
https://www.cdc.gov/tb/publications/factsheets/statistics/tbtrends.htm
This was already noted earlier.
1.4M is the number of TB deaths per year for the whole planet, but nobody gives a shit about those deaths, and that's probably because career politicians and the owners of TV news channels aren't in the target demographic.
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Hope springs eternal among leftists.
Every day they forget just how soundly all of their talking points were defeated the day before, and they start bloviating again as if they're onto something. Soon enough, their noise dies down and they go silent.
Don't worry though, they'll be reinvigorated by tonight's propaganda and they'll be back tomorrow to try again.
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24 minutes ago, Galloway said:
?? When Tucker got taken to court, his lawyers argued that only a moron would believe anything Tucker said is the truth. Are you sure you didn't mean "biggest laughing stock by far in the world of television media"? Because that would be a very appropriate title for Tucker.
1) That's not actually true and
2) I mean that for sure that anyone who watches CNN/CTV and doesn't watch Fox News is a complete idiot and a waste of time.
You should just watch the show a couple times if you're sure of yourself, and then come here to weigh in on his comments. I'll watch the idiots who spoon feed you for a day and then shred their credibility for once and for all. Deal?
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6 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:
Anti-vaxxers were telling us about people like Doctor Mercola who said the vaccine such as it was could cause variants. And coincidentally all the spots where the vaccines were tested are where the variant spreads began.
Just from a common sense POV, it would be pretty impressive if covid could enter hundreds of millions of people, infect trillions of cells, and not mutate at all. IMO that's the unlikeliest outcome of all.
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I just wanna be clear on one thing - low C19 mortality rates among healthy people doesn't mean that no one who is healthy can die.
The regular seasonal flu kills 400 kids in the US every year (much less last year) - the flu is nothing to trifle with.
However - what the stats to this point have shown us, is that C19's killing-spree has been mostly among old and very unhealthy people.
The media likes to ramp up the panic, they're very close-mouthed about the average person's chances of a life-altering outcome from covid, and they're quick to lie about everything covid-related - it's basically guaranteed that they will lie about it all. I have every reason not to trust them and no reason to believe anything that they say. That's why I'm not waving pom-poms about the vaxx, it's why I am very skeptical.
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Looking at that graph above, it does seem like daily covid cases went up during the rioting season...
PLEASE DON'T KILL ME NANCY PELOSI! I'M JUST A MESSENGER!
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53 minutes ago, Argus said:
As the vaccines became widely available Canada went from over 10,000 cases per day to under 1,000,
Below is a graph of covid cases per day in the US, right from Day 1. They had better access to vaccines than we did, and a more timely 2nd dose as well. We got them much later here, and Canadians also went over the recommended delay between the 1st and second doses because our supply was short.
Anyways, here are the US covid daily stats, which followed the seasonal flu's general yearly trend in both 2020 and 2021, as would be expected. The vaccine doesn't sem to have had much of an impact:
Claiming "THE DELTA VARIANT IS COMING! CASES WILL RISE THIS FALL AND WINTER! RAISE YOUR ARMS OVER YOUR HEAD AND FLAP THEM AROUND WHILE RUNNING IN CIRCLES!" is kind of like saying "THE SUN WILL COME UP TOMORROW! FREAK OUT!".
Quotemost of whom are unvaccinated idiots. It went from 250 deaths per day to 11.
Isn't it weird that from the time C19 came out, everything that we heard about it was geared towards us taking the Big Pharma vaccines?
"COVID DIDN'T COME FROM A LAB THAT WE FUNDED, BUT LUCKILY, BY COINCIDENCE, RESEARCH ON THESE VACCINES STARTED A LONG TIME AGO! HCQ IS A KILLER! THERAPEUTICS CAN'T POSSIBLY WORK! LOOK, INFECTIONS WENT DOWN THIS SUMMER BECAUSE OF THE VAXX! EXPERIMENTAL mRNA VACCINES ARE COMPLETELY SAFE - IGNORE THE DEATHS AMONG HEALTHY PEOPLE - ANECDOTES ARE USELESS! CHECK OUT THE ANECDOTES ABOUT FAT 56 YR OLDS DYING THOUGH! A NEW VARIANT HAS COME OUT AND EVEN THOUGH THE VACCINES DON'T STOP YOU FROM GETTING IT, YOU WILL HAVE A 99.98% CHANCE OF SURVIVING IF YOU'RE NOT REALLY OLD WITH CO-MORBIDITIES AND YOU HAVE THE VAXX! EVERYTHING ABOUT THE VAXX IS AWESOME, NEVER QUESTION IT NO MATTER WHAT! UNVAXXED PEOPLE DESERVE TO DIE - OSTRACIZE THEM! THE VAXX IS THE ONLY WAY! BY NEXT SUMMER, NEW VAXXES WILL FLATTEN THE CURVE!"
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3 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:
It's not over.
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During an earnings call, Moderna seemed to admit that their COVID-19 vaccine only lasts for 6 months, adding that a third “booster” shot will “likely be necessary” due to the Delta variant, which experts have compared to hay fever or the common cold.
Moderna released a statement on Thursday claiming that their COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness “does not wane in the first 6 months after the second dose,” reported the New York Times. However, Moderna appeared to change their tune during an earnings call shortly after, claiming that booster shots would be necessary this fall to curb the Delta variant, which experts have previously compared to hay fever and the common cold, as National File reported."
OMG, is hay fever coming out?
EVERYONE GET AERIUS OR I HOPE YOU DIE FROM SNEEZING!
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20 minutes ago, taxme said:
Last year in America alone there were approx 1.5 million Americans that died from tuberculosis, a transmittable disease, that affects the lungs. Tuberculosis can be passed on to others from TB droplets.
So, why the no big deal about a disease like TB not being treated the same as covid 19? Why are we not being told or forced to wear masks and social distance? Tuberculosis was by far a worse disease to come into contact with than covid. With all of the viruses running around out there, we might as well wear masks forever and social distance and quarantine and hide in our homes forever. It's gawd dam dangerous out there. ?
Worldwide, it seems like 1.4M people die a year from TB, which is comparable to the total number of covid deaths from 2020.
Career politicians and rich folks who own TV stations in developed countries aren't smack-dab in the middle of the target demographic for TB deaths though, so it's not on the list of things to be fear-mongered.
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13 minutes ago, taxme said:
Last year in America alone there were approx 1.5 million Americans that died from tuberculosis,
I googled that and saw numbers in the hundreds. Where did you get that stat? Do you mean "The Americas"? As in, all of North & South America? Still, seems like a lot.
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1 minute ago, Infidel Dog said:
How about this guy? He's one of yours, I think. He's a good RINO.
How about these people?
Are you authorized to care about them?
You mean, the same Nancy Pelosi that creates all kinds of mask regulations for the entire population and then keeps getting busted for not following them herself?
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18 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:
Skeptics wanted to investigate therapeutics. Your science kept telling us they didn't and wouldn't work even though all kinds of real scientific studies and real world evidence were telling us they would, did and do assist in healing the infected.
The MSM does two things - 1) pump up the hysteria about covid and 2) vilify anything or anyone who poses a threat to the "VAXX UBER ALLES" line of thought.
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42 minutes ago, Aristides said:
So now 45 is old.
So now 56 with no underlying health conditions is old and fat.
"David Parker, 56, passed away at Darlington Memorial Hospital in County Durham on Monday despite having no underlying health conditions."
Why do think they had to mention "no underlying health conditions" in this instance? That's pretty odd, right? Unless having underlying health conditions is quite common among covid deaths.
Also, FYI, being a smoker, or smoking a lot of weed, isn't an "underlying health condition", but it reduces your chance of surviving a respiratory illness, don't ya think? So do certain occupations. Maybe he has mold in his house. There are a lot of reasons why anecdotes don't pass muster.
Do you think that this is an example of an anecdote, Aristedes?
I used stats from over 200M deaths and you had to trot out two anecdotes that are chock full of fear mongering.
FYI there are also anecdotes about healthy people who died from the jab, and 17 yr-old athletes who got serious inflammation around the heart and were in excruciating pain from just breathing for two weeks. But the plural of anecdotes isn't stats so I don't generally throw those kinds of things around.
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41 minutes ago, Aristides said:
How the hell do you know who is near death? Just because someone is older doesn't make them near death.
When people are at the high end of life expectancy, and have 1 or more co-morbidities, they are absolutely "near death".
You're trying to act like "a death is a death is a death" but that's not the case at all.
Spanish Flu killed a lot of people in the healthiest demographics of all. 28 yr olds had a high mortality rate. Pregnant women had a high mortality rate. That's scary. 55M people died from it and the world had a much lower population. That's scary.
You obviously have no clue about covid deaths so why don't you research it and get back to me? You should at least do the bare minimum to educate yourself on a topic before you run your mouth in such an opinionated fashion.
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5 minutes ago, Argus said:
Hard to feel sorry for people like this.
He's the picture of health. He looks like he could have competed in the 100M at the Olympics. J/K, he's old and fat. IE - he's right in the target demographic for C19. Do you have something intelligent to add or was that post just a waste of bandwidth?
Can you imagine someone saying:
Quote"It's hard to feel sorry for that woman whose kid was born without legs - she was pimping the experimental mRNA vaccines on social media and she doesn't even have a high school diploma".
Seems pretty loser-ish, right? Well, that's exactly what you sound like.
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1 minute ago, Aristides said:
Thousands have not died from Covid vaccines. Thats the problem with your BS. If someone died after having a vaccination it had to be the vaccine but if someone dies after being infected with Covid, it must have been something else. You change the parameters according to your bias.
Within 3 days.
I didn't say that "in every instance where people died of covid, something else was 100% to blame". I said that "in the majority of cases where people died with covid, they were already near death".
The average age of people who died with covid is pretty close to the average age of life expectancy. Have a look. Go learn something instead of bloviating and regurgitating idiotic propaganda.
Canada at the start of Delta dominated fourth Covid wave, so get vaccinated to save lives.
in Federal Politics in Canada
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Infidel Dog quoted the CDC, saying that 750 fully vaccinated people died of covid. That seems like a lot.
Really? Whenever someone who's supposedly healthy dies in another country it's newsworthy, then we see their picture and they're old and obese.
Just yesterday, posters here pasted a link to a 56 yr old who died of covid in England. If covid is known to kill healthy people then how is that newsworthy?
Yeah, the people who have been lying to us all along get to blame vaxxed deaths on the Delta Variant now.
Ooh, the Delta variant. Shiny. Need a new vaxx for that, no doubt.
When people are fully vaxxed, right up to the zeta and omega variants, will they still have the same infection rates as everyone else?
Is the vaxx bullshit?
For the past 1,000 years people have known enough to block people from entering their towns and countries when they were coming from places that had smallpox or plague outbreaks. Why did the WHO suddenly get that wrong? Did science suddenly decide that 'avoid it like the plague' was too racist for the modern world?
Honestly, if you look at the way we handled covid here before March 16th, it really looks like the Liberals and the Democrats were doing everything that they could to get covid into NA. Do you remember who was saying "Ride the subway! Hug strangers in crowded areas! Covid travel bans are racist!" All leftists.
Now those leftists who were either completely useless, abominably stupid, or downright evil at the beginning of covid are telling us all to get the vaxx or we'll be marginalized, but actual science is telling us that the vaxx might be more of a placebo than anything else. Now the blame "the shiny new Delta Variant..."