angrypenguin

When are we going to see another non Nanos poll? Anyone know?

Ha! Maybe I should start one of those. Mulcair and Trudeau Fups.

And that's where you and I disagree. I don't believe they'll be able to form a formal coalition. Their plans are different from each other, in many ways. Can you imagine if they even tried talking about the TPP? How can you govern? Mulcair wants out. Trudeau wants in. Harper wants in. Oh crap. Back to square one.

Expect/hope - Potatoes/ potatoes...wait, that didn't translate well into writing I am expecting a Conservative minority followed by an almost immediate defeat. "Almost immediate"

I think the right to vote should be based on income; however, what I think is irrelevant. The problem of my thoughts is that the social inequity would essentially cause the poor to be infinitely poorer. Social programs would diminish significantly. So what I want to see happen is different than what I think about this whole silly notion. It would be insane to implement, but then again, I've been called worse

I do know of some industries where there is only one school nationally that pumps out graduates which are incredibly high in demand. (very sought after. E.g. salaries above $200k) For example, in Canada, this one: https://www.mcgill.ca/iasl/institute-air-and-space-law I once was in Aviation

I expect Liberal support to decrease in the next few days.

Simple. So they can get maximum help via social programs that the rest of us pay for.

Precisely. The last couple of posts have truly disappointed me. First, the left was saying "damn you Harper for having secret meetings". For real?? Yeah let's give away our negotiating power by...oh wait, telling everyone stuff that is entirely confidential (all 12 nations agreed to this). Then Trudeau comes out and curses Harper for this. WHAT?? The Conservatives have done 99% of the free trade deals for Canada and Trudeau comes out today and says he supports it, pending a review?? Then we have people on here expecting the entire draft agreement released on the day of agreement (assuming they negotiated well into the wee hours). WOW. I'm very disappointed in humanity today.

Sorry for the wait. Power outage this AM. http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/trans-pacific-partnership-deal-reached-official To compensate Canadian dairy and poultry farmers for potential financial losses from the deal, the government is promising to invest $4.3 billion over the next 15 years in new income and quota guarantees, and other programs to keep dairy and poultry farmers “financially whole.” The additional duty-free access to Canada’s dairy and poultry market for TPP partners will be granted through quotas phased in over five years, and amounts to 3.25 per cent of Canada’s current dairy production (with the majority of the additional milk and butter being directed to value-added processing), 2.3 per cent for eggs, 2.1 per cent for chicken, two per cent for turkey and 1.5 per cent for broiler hatching eggs. A typical dairy farmer will receive total federal government compensation of approximately $165,600 over the next 15 years, with an average chicken farmer receiving $84,100 and turkey farmer receiving $88,000. A typical egg farm could expect $71,500 and a hatching egg farm would receive approximately $191,700.

Turned out better than I thought for the farmers. Plus the government is offering 100% income payments for 15 years. My job doesn't offer that. Just a layoff.

Because in my opinion, it's common sense, but it's degrading to the public to mention such a thing. For example, if you and I are negotiating something, and I then go to my country and then I say "hey everyone, this is how I screwed over Mr. Hardner and these are all the great things that I negotiated for us" at your cost... think about that. Does that help my negotiating power? No. This is why no countries that are part of the TPP have told their country how they have advanced their country's needs ahead of others. Negotiations are sometimes a zero sum game. For one party to announce how they won at another's cost is pure stupidity (prior to signing the agreement)

You as well!

Precisely. Then again the NDP and their rhetoric about Harper with his eggs in one basket and then him dropping the basket....my reply is that Mulcair dropped the NDP basket all together! Karma is a beautiful thing.

No, if it were up to me, I'd tell the farmers and the auto industry to pound sand and let them go out of business. That is precisely why I could never cut it as a public official. As I said, I give up. I don't enjoy in engaging in public attacks, and so I won't, because that's what I want to do at this point. So i'll bite my tongue and move on.

What country has given up their bargaining power by discussing this publicly (on points where it would impact their negotiating power)? This is Negotiations 101. As someone who has discussed multi billion $ deals internationally for my employer (who does almost a trillion $ a year in gross revenue), the accusation that our government is an idiot because they haven't made this stuff public makes me roll my eyes. EDIT: News conference on TPP cancelled until tomorrow morning.

No, the dairy farmers in Canada and the auto sector in Canada will lose if this goes through. It's up to the government at that point to help by way of $ transfers as they cry foul for not being competitive in a global market. This is the same thing that happened to the Atlantic fisheries when the free trade agreement went through in Europe.

This post makes absolutely no sense. I can't even figure out if you're trolling at this point because it defies all logic. Under a free trade agreement, you would pay $5 or less. Period. If at this point you still don't get it, please reread my earlier posts. I've spent enough time and energy on this.

I think I give up. What I'm saying is he will not want to pay for something that can be bought at a cheaper price. This is basic economics.

That dude must be exhausted, and he sure is desperate. He was campaigning all over the GTA today...and now he's doing this? Is this also in Montreal?

Yes, I have heard this. The older French woman on CBC's Power and Politics said the same thing. The QCers usually rally behind one person. It doesn't seem like this is the case thus far. If anything, the fate of this will be decided shortly!

Source? "Oil and gas activity accounts for less than 10 per cent of the economy" http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/rebranding-the-canadian-economy-in-the-wake-of-the-oil-slump/article26340860/

I skimmed through it (I can't speak French well), and I couldn't figure it out either.

If I make something and I could sell it to you for $5 or $50, obviously I'm going to sell it to the person buying it for $50. But why would the person pay $50 for something that he could pay $5 for? [assuming the product is the same which is what you are assuming] I make good money, but that doesn't mean I go and piss it away and pay more than I have to for an identical product.

Again, another apples to oranges comparison. Does one really need a degree in economics to explain this? Let me try again. Let's assume, that ALL Canadian beef producers all go super high end (which it would never ever do) because the profits are very very high to address the Japanese market. Obviously, ALL producers would need to invest significant amounts of money in whatever they need to to improve quality (which would never happen because not every farmer has the $ to do so), but let's play along. Let's also assume we can change our weather - again, playing along. Let's say magically all of this happens, and we magically end up with amazing beef so we can sell to the Japanese... So where can we buy our crappy beef from then? Well obviously, not from Canada, but probably from the Americans. But wait, Americans also want in on this crazy profit beef thing. So they too, start to focus their attention to the Japanese. Uhh... UH OH. Everyone's going after the profit heavy Japanese market. So how do the Americans/Canadians compete? Back on price. Quality is up there, but those crazy profit margins start to decrease. As the British come in, the Chinese come in....BANG. Back to the same problem, profit margins squeezed, and then the Japanese get what they want. High quality beef at the lowest price. But then there will be a market need! Canadians will go....but, we want to only pay $6, I can't afford your $30 beef. So then again, supply and demand, we'll have a business that addresses that market. If that doesn't make sense, I don't know what will. You are talking about the ability to command a premium when two products are identical. In international trade, the beauty is the ability to command a premium decreases. (which is why things like free trade benefits consumers and forces business to compete like hell)