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Now I am a leftist. Another poster called me a fascist. Oh yes in my view both are the same. I am none. I am though surprised at Army Guy's posts in support of anti-vaxers in spite of all the facts presented. His posts are usually wise and factual!!!!

And you are a complete and total low class idiot that when you lose a debate you resort to personal attacks and insults. Loser.

I can not for the life of me figure out why it is so difficult to understand the simple fact and logic that everyone under 25 comes in contact with many over 25 year old including elderly grandparents, parents they live it or innocent bystanders and has a proven much greater chance of transmissivity, In other words infecting others. It is Not a wearing seat belt scenario in which you endanger only yourself. It is a drunk driving scenario in which you infect others and you have NO rights to do so. Get vaccinated or get locked in. Governments must act now and pass it into a law and enforce it.

Yeah neither are drunk drivers who kill people or those who don't stop at traffic lights or stop signs and kill people. They are just misguided. Poor people they don't deserve punishment just need to be sent to guidance schools.!!!!!!!!!

From the posts in this thread it is clear that this forum (or at least this thread) is taken over by a small but outspoken minority of anti-vaxers. A group of selfish who think they are entitled people who are responsible for the pandemic and restrictions to continue in the western countries with many deaths every day and where there is more than enough vaccines for everyone but they opt out for psychotics or paranoia reasons. Watch it anti-vaxers. The whole world, including all of the governments, scientists, medical professionals, statisticians and news media are out there and lying in order to get you vaccinated. I stand by every word that I said in my original post.

Every country which has higher vaccination rate have lower new cases like Portugal and Spain than those with lower vaccination rates which have higher infection rates some going out of control so they had to re-impose restrictions like Austria, Germany and Netherland. These are factual statistics and data not made up stories. Yes feel good that you are not among the little people as quoted in your post. You are the big people who exposes your family and friends and public in general to higher risk of infection!!!

https://globalnews.ca/news/8376304/covid-vaccine-refusal-termination-poll/ And I am one of them. Vaccination against Covid is NOT a choice you think you can have with your body because your chances of getting infected without full vaccine is much higher and hence the chances of transmission to others (your family, friends, innocent bystanders) are much higher. Governments can indeed mandate vaccination for the good of citizens same way they mandate the crossing of red traffic light or driving after drinking in order to protect the public. If you are unvaccinated walking among us then you are the enemy and you should be treated as such.

There is so much nonsense in your post that I don't even respond. It shows how ignorant and uninformed you are starting with your accusation that I am a leftist!!!!!. In my posts in regards to asking for return of Capital Punishment to a cutting in half of the immigration levels especially from the third world, to my support for lower taxes and free enterprise, to my demand for a private health care system among many others they appear more like the far right than leftist you are accusing me of!!!!!.

Only part of Europe like Holland, Germany, Turkey, Greece, Spain, Portugal but most of Europe not so. In some parts they have the failed Swedish , UK, Norway and some outright illegal like Russia, Poland......

Well that is not simply true. It is only forced if the one side is forced into this against her will but I don't consider economic need as forced as many (almost everyone) also would prefer to stay home and enjoy TV or else at home than going to work and clean shit (nurses, plumbers, cleaners) or drive in hot or cold weather in heavy traffic or else because of economic reasons. We all have to or forced to work because of economic reasons.

De Deal with sex trafficking severely with minimum long sentences and pimping, underage and forced prostitution but legalize consensual sex trade. There are two separate issues don't mix them up.

Those who abuse workers should be heavily fined at a minimum of $25000 per case and those who use physical violence or threat of physical violence must be put n jail for first case (and if it was up to me I throw away the key for 6 months). This kind of behaviors is unacceptable and should be dealt with as severely as possible. These violent abusive people who think they are entitled should not walk free among civilized population.

The current prostitution laws in Canada is simply put stupid and idiotic pushed into parliament by the then stupid Prime Minister (Harper) and his idiotic injustice minister Peter Mackay in 2014 for political reasons only and that is to gain or retain the support of religious ultra right whose mandate is to impose its backward idiotic beliefs on the majority rest of population like ISIS did in middle east. The Cons manipulated their way into making new laws pass through the Conservative dominated Parliament in which was a failed Nordic model (imported from Sweden) for which those affected (sex workers) were not consulted or invited as witnesses as the Cons picked their own witnesses. . The new laws believe it or not makes the selling of sex legal but purchasing of sex illegal and criminal offence!!!!!!!. It protects pimps as security guards!!!!! It seriously jeopardizes the lives of sex workers and give protection to dirty pimps who pose as security guards (yes pimps as security guards or drivers are protected under Harper's imported prostitution laws!!!!!!). https://globalnews.ca/news/6073593/canadas-sex-worker-laws-bill-c36/ The Liberals did not do much better even though they promised to repeal these stupid laws in 2015 before election but they lied big time because they feared it may backfire on them or appear to be supportive of prostitution. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-liberal-foot-dragging-on-prostitution-law-may-lead-to-charter-challenge I don't know what is the best laws for prostitution. I wish that such thing did not exist but it does exist and is the oldest profession but pushing it underground makes everything much more dangerous and gives rise to violence against most vulnerable women and protects pimps who are the real criminals. Many including most of sex workers believe that the New Zealand model of prostitution is the best and protects the best sex workers and statistics back their claims https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sex-workers-like-new-zealand-law-not-canada-s-new-nordic-model-for-prostitution-1.2665431#:~:text=Prostitution%2C including brothel ownership and,under 18 years is illegal. .

You are one of big conspiracy believers. Just tell me what politicians are to gain from all these that they are trying so hard? Are you saying that say Pfizer pharmaceutical pays some millions of dollars to Justin Trudeau or premiers to make vaccines mandatory?

What evidence do you want? What could be a stronger evidence than existing data on Covid-related infections in Canada and around the world. There is nothing more solid than existing real time data. We all go by that.

Yes because I don't wish to work with an unvaccinated person or even be in the same room or office because he or she has 10 to 22 times more risk of carrying covid virus. Businesses and governments have the right to protect their employees and I have the right to refuse working in the same environment that unvaccinated people work. If they have a medical reason then they have to present their case and get approval but this vaccination is not a choice to opt out because it affects other people like drunk driving and smoking in public places is not a choice either for same reason.

No nothing is 100% safe not even every day driving/street crossing or the food you eat every day but all experts in the fields and organizations are unanimous that the danger of Covid and risk of dying from it is by far more than vaccines.

Yes overwhelming majority as much as 80% got their vaccines because they knew wisely that vaccines are the best protection they can get from Covid and the only way to end this pandemic

86% of eligible population got vaccinated. What kind of fascism is this? It is the will of majority over the stuborn selfish or misinformed minority for their unwise decision we are still paying the price with deaths, cancelled surgeries and lockdowns and job lost.

You said "to opt for HPV vaccine"? So opt out. This is hardly pushing.

Close the damn schools. Ever since schools were wrongfully reopened last August there was a surge in the number of new Covid cases in Ontario as children under 12 were not vaccinated and sent to schools so that parents can go to work!!!!!! and we all know children are not mature enough to protect themselves well enough. This is one example of many more cases when an entire family became sick with Covid https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/school-precautions-parents-false-security-covid-1.6200394

Quebec is always ahead of rest of Canada. Quebec has banned protests outside hospitals. The rest of country must follow and do the same as soon as possible.

Well no I am not getting what I want. I want third dose booster shot at the end of the year and based on NACI's recommendation I don't get it. Who has screwed up immunity? The bad advice I can think of was those unfounded claims by some not experts in the field who without any shred of evidence made unfounded allegations against Covid vaccines and hence many decided not to vaccinate and some are dead (or will be) or dying or sick (or will be).

I will as soon as they allow me to. Right now third dose boosters are for seniors in long term homes only/ Not a wise restriction by NACI. Hopefully our second dose effectiveness will last longer because of the time gap between first and second dose (70 days in my case) but in Israel immunity was cut in half after 6 months with 21 days of time gap.

Yes I figured that a while ago that I am talking to a brick wall. However, we are winning. Governments and businesses continue to do the right thing and everyday more and more will ban unvaccinated people. Soon you have to stay home because you have nowhere else to go!! Great.