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Any possible future lockdowns by any government will be completely and fully ignored. The vaccinated people will be largely protected and sickness and death will be largely among the unvaccinated people. However, this was their choice and they and only them should pay the price for their choice. WE THE MAJORITY WILL NOT ACCEPT ANY MORE LOCKDOWNS OF ANY KIND BY ANY GOVERNMENT AND WILL TOTALLY IGNORE IT.

Ontario reports highest number of new Covid cases today in sux weeks. The fourth wave is here now thanks to those who haven't taken the vaccine. https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-reports-highest-daily-covid-19-case-count-in-nearly-six-weeks-1.5536957 340 new covid cases since yesterday, a jump of 200 in one day and 18 deaths :(. So sad.

This is a lie and lies like this discourage people from getting the vaccines and some may die as a result. Out of one and a half million at least 25000 have died in Canada (likely more but their death never established). This alone is 98.3% survival rate and most of that is not even with the mutated Delta.

You brought up a good example which is Israel. As seen in the diagrams in the link attached only about 62% of Israel's population is fully vaccinated which is even 10% lower than Canada (so there are many ignorant or selfish people in Israel too causing deaths and sickness to the rest of population AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY YOU NOW SEE RISING COVID CASES BECAUSE OF THOSE SELFISH SEGMENT OF ISRAEL'S POPULATION). BUT IN SPITE OF THAT AS SHOWN IN ATTACHED LINK EVEN WITH SIGNIFICANTLY RISING CASES, THE DEATH NUMBERS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER COMPARED TO BEFORE VACCINATION. https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/israel/

I have no doubt in my mind that those unvaccinated portion of population are causing the pandemic to drag on, continued sickness and death of innocent bystanders who have no choice but to go to work, to malls and grocery and continued downward economy and loss of jobs. Therefore I am doing my part to force them make the right decision and get vaccinated. I will ask and will boycott the services of any individual or any business like my barber, bank, auto mechanic, clinic, restaurant, bar...etc. whose any of its employees have refused vaccination. I suggest we wise people (80% of population) all do this. If you are a business owner, refuse to hire or continue the employment of those unvaccinated as they pose a threat to you, your business and your customers.

This comment goes to the heart of your credibility, if any. I guess in your view drunk drivers should be allowed to drive too. Why not they only endanger the life of innocent bystanders like smokers.

No unvaccinated people have less rights when it comes to travelling, visiting sensitive places like hospitals or long term care or schools or even most common places because they are the main source of transmission. It is like smokers. They do not have the right to smoke in public places because they make other people sick

I hope you are right about your immune system but even if true you may not get sick yourself but you can still transmit the virus to others and many of those others may be unvaccinated or immune compromised

We will be in the fourth wave soon because of you and those like you who refused to take the vaccine. Some not only spreading the virus but false rumors and misinformation as well and considering that many thousands may be hundreds of thousands in this country cannot take the vaccine for health reasons or the vaccine don't work on them because there are immune compromised then you are committing a crime. If I was the government I would have had balls to make it mandatory or those who refuse vaccine would not be allowed to leave their homes till pandemic is over. Those unvaccinated who caught leaving home would have dealt with as criminals. Our governments need to find the balls to do the right thing.

That is FALSE. By these kinds of rumors and false statements on social media you are actually killing people. The data is very recent for Canada that vaccination (among fully vaccinated people) significantly reduces hospitalizations and deaths, https://ottawacitizen.com/news/covid-19-ontario-reports-129-new-cases-province-tops-80-level-for-first-vaccines And this is data just out of US where only half of population is fully vaccinated. https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/31/health/fully-vaccinated-people-breakthrough-hospitalization-death/index.html About 99.999% of fully vaccinated Americans have not had a deadly Covid-19 breakthrough case, CDC data shows. More than 99.99% of people fully vaccinated against Covid-19 have not had a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization or death, according to the latest data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The CDC reported 6,587 Covid-19 breakthrough cases as of July 26, including 6,239 hospitalizations and 1,263 deaths. At that time, more than 163 million people in the United States were fully vaccinated against Covid-19. Divide those severe breakthrough cases by the total fully vaccinated population for the result: less than 0.004% of fully vaccinated people had a breakthrough case that led to hospitalization and less than 0.001% of fully vaccinated people died from a breakthrough Covid-19 case. STOP THE LIES AND FALSE RUMORS. YOU ARE KILLING PEOPLE BY YOUR MISINFORMATION.

Science is backed up by data and the message is clear. Get vaccinated and save lives of others and yourself. This message is particularly important as the Delta dominated fourth wave is coming to Canada, Vaccines are doing a great job to protect you and your family, friends and neighbors as well as strangers you come across on a bus, in a shopping mall, theaters and groceries, SO DO TAKE THE VACCINE ASAP IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY. https://globalnews.ca/news/8073598/covid-coronavirus-vaccine-hesitant-hospital-deaths-modelling/ “The data show that 85 per cent of hospitalized COVID-19 cases were unvaccinated, with only 0.7 per cent of hospitalized cases occurring in fully vaccinated patients,” she said during the Friday press conference. “The majority of cases, hospitalizations and fatal outcomes are occurring among unvaccinated people,” Tam said. Compared to cases among those who have been fully vaccinated, unvaccinated Canadians are three times more likely to be hospitalized if they catch COVID-19. With the Delta variant ripping across the country, it’s more important than ever to try to get your jab, Tam said. “We need more eligible people vaccinated,” she said. Roughly 6.3 million Canadians still haven’t had a vaccine.

A lockdown was needed back then two three months ago because we didn't have enough vaccines and most Ontarians were not protected so we have over 4000 daily new cases and close to 100 deaths every day. To protect the public a lockdown was necessary then however, now that 80% of adult population in Ontario are vaccinated and there are ample supply of vaccines to fully vaccinate every Ontarian then NO MORE LOCKDOWNS is necessary or acceptable. There is a small minority who for childish reasons are refusing vaccines. Those minorities will not only compromise their own safety but will also compromise the safety of others especially those who for health reasons cannot vaccinate or their body will not react as well to build good amount of antibodies. to put it bluntly THEY ARE KILLING PEOPLE because the virus will multiply and transmit to others. Fortunately those vaccinated will be highly (but nt fully) protected and if they are infected in overwhelming majority of cases it will be mild however, many unvaccinated people will catch the virus and die from it too. Their decision and their business not mine BUT I WILL NOT RESTRICT MYSELF ANYMORE AND WILL DISOBEY ANY FUTURE LOCKDOWNS AND REFUSE TO WEAR MASKS. 3

It is not that much of burden to donate a little bit to less fortunate. I don't mind being asked for donation at the cash out. After all I have $200 worth of grocery for myself and $5 is not going to kill me but may result in one person having one less night of hunger. That said what I don't like are those charities which I am donating on a monthly basis a fix amount I have agreed to, but in the middle of the month and sometimes more often, I receive emails or letters asking for even more and more donations for various reasons on the top of the monthly donation that we had agreed.

Anti-Islamic regime demonstrations spread to Tehran and major Iranian cities as brave crowd loudly wishing the death of islamic clergy in power. https://www.intellinews.com/iran-protests-spread-to-tehran-and-tabriz-216493/ Ahead of next week’s inauguration of hardline cleric Ebrahim Raisi (A mass executioner known as the butcher of islamic republic)) as Iran’s next president, there is a level of rising discontent in the country—over issues including water and power shortages, the fact that Raisi’s path to power was cleared by the disqualifying of top moderate candidates, high unemployment and inflation, decimated pensions, low wages in Iran’s energy industry that have prompted several-months-long labour disruption and widespread dissatisfaction amoung businesses and the population at how the coronavirus outbreak has been addressed—to potentially create tinderbox-like conditions. At the Tehran protest, people are seen in videos posted on Telegram Messenger outside malls and the British Embassy on Jumhouri Street chanting “Bury the mullahs!”, “Clerics get lost!” and “Neither Gaza, nor Lebanon, my life for Iran.” Again, however, it was not possible to verify the circulating footage. Other unconfirmed videos on social networks apparently showed people targeting Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei with chants including “Death to the dictator"

I agree with you that for the home owners it may appear as prosperity but even that is fictitious as their home value has gone up artificially and can come down back again any time. Home is not a kind of equity like cash in savings account that one can use to have prosperous life like travelling, buying furniture, appliances, eat in expensive restaurants, etc, unless they wish yo borrow against home equity and spend but as i said that brings over only fictitious prosperity as loans have to be paid back and when the crash comes then they will be in big trouble.

Protests erupt in Iran again as islamic republic security forces use live ammunition to crush peaceful demonstrators for demanding the right to clean water. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/water-crisis-protests-continue-iran-with-chants-capital-reports-2021-07-20/ Activists called for demonstrations to support the Khuzestan protesters and videos surfaced late Tuesday and early Wednesday showing women chanting "Down with the Islamic Republic" at a Tehran metro station. demonstrators chanted "Reza Shah, bless your soul" in a video,referring to the founder of the Pahlavi dynasty which was overthrown by the 1979 Islamic coup.

The housing prices in major Canadian cities have skyrocketed absolutely crazy so that a single incomer even with highest education and years of work experience cannot afford to buy even a small house. This is hardly real prosperity but fictitious prosperity.

No it will be your constant lies and spread of false rumors that will cause millions of deaths in vaccine hesitant population in the next months and years and people like you will be responsible for these unnecessary deaths by pitting fictitious fears in their hearts by these false baseless claims. I will take the third jab as soon as they are available and I am eligible that they will be adjusted for mutated variants that people like you created.

No I don't have the power to jail people who cause harm (including the use of capital punishment on those who harm women and children and mass murderers), or make vaccine mandatory but I do have the power to refuse an unvaccinated server in a restaurant or bank or house cleaner or repairer or mover (I will ask) or boycott a business I deal with if its employees who serve me are not fully vaccinated and disobey precautions or wearing mask any future lockdowns which based on all currently available data and scientific evidence will be caused by unvaccinated people. This is likely the best way to push those people who refuse the jab if enough of us do this as I am sure they will take the right step when they face losing their jobs and businesses. They are the cause that we would be losing our jobs and businesses in future pandemics after all. When governments are not doing their jobs by making vaccines mandatory or issue vaccine certificates without which unvaccinated people will be refused service, business, travel, entry to a public place then we need to step in and do the job for them. Boycott those who refuse vaccines.

The woman also baselessly claimed the compound would cause an inflammatory immune reaction called a cytokine storm in people who got the vaccine In reality, there’s no graphene oxide in the Pfizer vaccine, according to the ingredient list and Kit Longley, senior manager of science media relations at Pfizer. There’s also no evidence to suggest the Pfizer vaccine would cause a cytokine storm, Longley said. The coronavirus itself, however, has caused this type of immune response in some patients. Chemical and medical experts who are not associated with Pfizer confirmed to The Associated Press that there is no way graphene oxide would be found in the vaccine. https://www.al.com/news/2021/07/pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-does-not-contain-graphene-oxide-experts-say.html Those who are spreading rumors like the woman in the link in social media causing vaccine hesitancy should be jailed and keys thrown away for causing serious harm and deaths,

Scientific evidence about what? Scientific evidence that covid has killed millions or are you claiming that covid is hoax like your friend taxman do? Scientific evidence that vaccines are effective?? There is so much data that in highly vaccinated population rate of hospitalization and death from covid has come down significantly. Scientific evedence about it safety? There are tens of thousands of data over many months that few side effects and no death. A death in a million was reported in mass vaccination. I have had it with illogical unscientific comments. I am done with this thread.

My response was clearly about the safety of vaccines. I suggest you read my post again. Because everybody who dies after receiving vaccines, their family will be crying fool and demand millions of dollars in compensation even though overwhelming majority of them would have died anyways of natural causes but many relatives would be suing vaccine manufacturing companies and they may have to pay billions in compensation and they go bankrupt so no one dares to do research and manufacture vaccines and save lives in future anymore. Deaths directly related to vaccines are very very rare and the risk is by far far less than covid virus. People would have still bought tickets to fly even without compensation. So how did you expect them to travel between continents? Walk? Drive or riding horses? But that is a totally unrelated example. In case of plane crash it is clear that the death is caused by a crash so people who fly a plane but die a month later of say heart attack cannot sue the airline company. In the case of vaccines there is NO CLEAR line. Anyone dying of anything after receiving vaccines can claim that it was the vaccine which killed them and demand billions. You are using totally bad analogy and sadly you are not even aware of it yourself. I told you, freedom and right to choose in the past have caused sufferings and many death. For the same reason that we banned drunk driving and smoking in public places after millions of innocents died from them. YOUR RIGHTS END WHEN YOU INFRINGE UPON OTHER PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO SAFETY ANF GOOD HEALTH. You have no right to become a carrier of the virus and a factory for its mutation and then present yourself in public places and breath or cough in the same air and then infect others and kill some because you feel it is your right to refuse vaccines. There is no compromise. People who refuse vaccines must have a lot of restrictions placed in front of them for the sake of health and safety of others. because they become a carrier of the virus and a factory for mutation of the virus. For the same reason that we banned drunk driving and smoking in the public we should restrict unvaccinated people in sensitive public places like health organizations, schools, long term or elderly care facilities and places where vulnerable people may be.

Fascist is the one who says his white race is in danger and judges people based on skin color and wishes to ban colored people and that is not me but you. How can I get this into your thick scalp. We as vaccinated people are indeed protected from covid as we speak 99% of new cases and 100% of deaths are among unvaccinated people HOWEVER, THE DAMN VIRUS WILL MUTATE IN THE BODY OF UNVACCINATED PEOPLE AND VACCINES WILL BECOME INEFFECTIVE SO IN FUTURE EVEN VACCINATED PEOPLE WILL NOT HAVE FULL PROTECTION. AND YOU UNVACCINATED PEOPLE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR CONTINUED PANDEMIC, MANY FUTURE DEATHS IN VACCINATED PEOPLE AND LOSS OF JOBS AND FUTURE LOCKDOWNS AND ECONOMIC DOWNTURNS, UNLESS GOVERNMENTS FIND THA BALLS AND MAKE VACCINATIONS MANDATORY TO PROTECT LIVES LIKE BANNING DRUNK DRIVING OR PUBLIC SMOKING LAWS THOSE WHO REFUSE VACCINES MUST BE BANNED FROM LEAVING THEIR HOMES TO PUBLIC PLACES TO SAVE THE LIVES OF INNOCENT BYSTANDERS.

Not taking the vaccine is a bold step not taking it. 99% of new covid infections will be among unvaccinated people and close to 100% of deaths too. The vaccines have been tested on tens of thousands of people over months going through all necessary 3 phases and so far more than 7 months into mass vaccination, there has been less than one in a million death due to vaccination but millions of covid related deaths, All scientific data proven effectiveness of the vaccines. THE SCIENCE IS CLEAR. VACCINES ARE BOTH SAFE AND EFFECTIVE. There will be always very rare exceptions and that is why no financial compensation can be provided. You may also be struck by lightening but you chances of getting killed by a car accident id by far more than being killed by a vaccine. The future pandemic will be among unvaccinated population and it is possible that the virus may mutate in unvaccinated people and then vaccines become ineffective and then vaccinated people start dying too but for now that is just a theory but if it happens it will be unvaccinated people responsible for virus mutation and killing the vaccinated people. So much for their right to choose. Choosing to kill others like smoking in public which was considered as freedom of choice until many innocent bystanders started dying for law makers to take note. One was my secretary who never smoked but died of lung cancer because her husband was a smoker. Vaccines have better our lives and our health and lengthen our life span by decades. Remember polio, smallpox, plague or black death or cholera killing hundreds of millions. Well they are history now thanks to vaccines and covid will be history too but unfortunately after many more millions die and all because some people abusing the right to choose.

The argument presented is invalid because it doesn't consider the right of the majority to life and safety and jobs and normal life. Our side of argument is that THOSE WHO REFUSE VACCINES WILL JEOPARDIZE OUR LIVES BECAUSE THEY BREATH THE SAME AIR. Their right to choose ends when they endanger the lives of OTHERS, the majority. They must be banned from leaving their homes if they exercise their given right to refuse vaccines. As for long term side effects of vaccines IT IS VERY RARE but consider the fact that long term effects of covid on those who caught it or will catch it will be by far more devastating on lungs, hearts, kidneys and livers. The pandemic has been devastating for everyone. We were promised that it will all end. The governments told us take it for a few more months for vaccination to complete and obey lockdown rules and we did. Now we will soon reach the stage that everyone who chooses to have the vaccine will have it. NO MORE BLOODY LOCKDOWNS. I WILL DISOBEY ANY MORE LOCKDOWNS. I am vaccinated and I will be safe. I may be asymptomatic which means I may carry the virus but won't feel sick because I made the right choice. The future pandemic will be among unvaccinated people. It will be unvaccinated pandemic. None of my concern or business. THE SURGING CASES IN US IS 99.1 PERCENT AMONG UNVACCINATED PEOPLE AND IT MAY BE SAME IN THE FALL IN CANADA. Those 20% who chose to refuse and they will get sick and some may die but THAT WAS THEIR CHOICE. i WILL REFUSE ANY LOCKDOWN (which if we have it again in the fall it is because of those 20% refusing vaccines now) PREVENTING ME FROM DOING WHAT I NORMALLY DO. I WIILL REFUSE WEARING MASKS AND LOCKDOWNS. ENOUGH WITH PROMISES. WE HAVE BE PATIENT ENOUGH. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.