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Yes as of September 1st, I will defy any restrictions in place. Mainly unvaccinated people would be at risk so be it that was their choice.

You are indeed a mad man. Be careful aliens don't kidnap you or CIA don't put microchips in your body.

What on earth is natural immune individual. You mean those not vaccinated and not infected but they have naturally antibodies for covid in their bodies? Are you serious? Oh yes one and that is Superman. ps - I get this DAMN message - Do you Hold Gold in your Portfolio- I don't know where the hell it comes from. If it is from this forum then please STOP IT. It is getting on my nerves.

What? Are you saying that most of the population are already infected with coronavirus? Not to mention that previously infected estimated 5 to 10% of population may highly likely be re-infected with Delta variant as this is another mutated virus.

1400 fully vaccinated people in US have died since December out of 125,000 infected. 1400 is not zero.

Ontario reports largest number of new Covid cases in two months. Over 500 cases in one day in Ontario alone mainly thanks to unvaccinated people. Of the 513 new cases recorded, the data showed 360 were unvaccinated people and 56 were partially vaccinated people. Only two of the 113 people in ICUs have received two doses of the COVID-19 vaccine Coronavirus live updates: Quebec reports 369 new cases as hospitalizations climb This is the most new cases reported in Quebec since May. Governments especially the Doug Ford in Ontario are blamed not to make vaccines mandatory. We will soon have thousands of new cases every day with many dead mainly among unvaccinated. Vote out the idiots. If a minority paranoid people cannot make the right decision it is the duty of the governments to make the right decision for them.

It is not all about the West. They pose existential threat to the people of Afghanistan.

This shows out of 165 million Americans over months only 125,000 got infected. This is very low percentage while out of remaining 90 million, millions got infected. Again pointing to vaccine effectiveness.

Yes so I have no idea what those who are against vaccinations are talking about. Their own links point to the fact that vaccines are very effective so get it then!!!!

The 125,000 are infections among fully vaccinated Americans only not all Americans infected during that period. The total number is millions more.

I have no idea what is the point you are trying to prove WestCanMan. Are you trying to prove vaccines are effective or not effective? I thought you are trying to prove vaccines are not effective to show that we don't need vaccination but your link proves vaccines are very effective. I am lost in your posts but again I am working from home and at the same time in between work i post here so it may be me.

Do you read your own links? The link that YOU have provided proves beyond reasonable doubt that vaccines are very effective. This is coming from your link: At least 125,000 fully vaccinated Americans have tested positive for Covid and 1,400 of those have died, according to data collected by NBC News. The 125,682 "breakthrough" cases in 38 states found by NBC News represent less than .08 percent of the 164.2 million-plus people who have been fully vaccinated since January, or about one in every 1,300. The number of cases and deaths among the vaccinated is very small compared to the number among the unvaccinated. A former Biden adviser on Covid estimated that 98 to 99 percent of deaths are among the unvaccinated.

What is the use of freedom if I am dead?

No it will do a lot for me and many other vaccinated people. It will give us more protection in public places like bars and restaurants so that is great. All we have to do is avoid private parties to avoid unvaccinated people, And I also don't agree most of infections in future will be from private gatherings. This was the case we we had lockdowns and only gatherings were private gathering not so anymore. By the way i get the damn message DO YOU HOLD GOLD IN YOUR PORTFOLI. what the hell is this?? It is really stressing me out blocking my read. Damn.

No the figures I stated in my previous post was in your link!!!!!

The reason I clarified this in my previous post is that because of this I decided to go to a crowded bar last weekend thinking that I have to be very unlucky and 0.5% won't be me now today I found out latest data shows over 20%!!. Now I have to wait two weeks to find out if I got something from Saturday night time.

I am not sure how good (or bad) you are with simple arithmetic but if you look at the data and previous collective data from all over the world you can easily see vaccines are very effective in preventing sickness, hospitalizations and death just not 100% or 96% effective.

Your link echoes exactly what I said earlier!!!!!!!!!!!! That is being fully vaccinated does not provide solid protection anymore!!!!!

Again please get all the facts before making such definite statements or making judgements. Not true again. This is the latest statistics from Ontario out today on new infections today The Ontario government says 234 of Wednesday's 324 new cases, or 72 per cent, were in unvaccinated individuals. There were 32 cases in partially vaccinated individuals and 58 in people who were fully vaccinated. This is over 20% infections among fully vaccinated people. As I mentioned earlier also 20% of hospitalizations among fully vaccinated people. Note that we are now dealing with Delta variant spreading fast especially among unvaccinated people. Vaccines are not anymore 96% effective but much less.

This is not true. Latest data show 20% of recent hospitalizations in Ontario are fully vaccinated people. We all knew from beginning no vaccine will give 100% efficacy and covid vaccines are no different. While they give good protection and may help to provide herd immunity if a very large portion of population is vaccinated and significantly reduce the risk of serious sickness or death but they don't eliminated it no vaccine does. Please get the facts before judgements.

I have told you this before. Democracy does not mean you can do anything you want and demand the rights you don't have. In any democracy there are boundaries and red lines. Red lines are crossed when there is a risk that other innocent bystanders may be harmed. Examples: Free speech - red lines crossed when speech provokes others to attack or harm certain group of people. Drunk driving - You have the right to drink but you don't have the right to drive when drunk because you pose a risk to others. Smoking in public - You have the right to smoke but not in public as it poses health risks to others Unvaccinated - You have the right to not vaccinate but you can't go to public places and restrictions should be put on you as all scientific evidence and data point to the fact that unvaccinated people pose a greater risk of transmission of disease also overwhelming majority of hospitalizations and deaths are among them so causing lockdowns and economic meltdowns again. So we need passports to identify who is vaccinated and should or should not have restrictions in order to protect the public.

Again it is madness to throw in nonsense statements like that. Which part of my posts are from Liberal Party of Canada? My support for the return of Capital Punishment? My support for private health care system? My support for cut in immigration levels or my support for mandatory vaccination? Geez!!!!!!!!!

You are a mad man taxme from your posts and this is an established fact.

As far as I remember it has been 20-25 years not 70 years and most effective flu vaccine has been around 40% whereas efficacy of covid vaccines are around 80 to 90%. It makes a big difference.

Pakistan is the worst. Taliban is actually from Pakistan. I am surprised about the other 3 being in the list as they are less fanatic in idiotic way.