Benz

Some mainstream medias do have columnists criticizing immigration in that trend you suggest. So you cannot say they don't. However, it is true that the majority of main stream medias are not addressing this and yes it is dangerous. When you swipe issues under the carpet, you are just delaying a problem that can only get worst later on. If the majority of people think the immigration is too big, then they become part of the problem as well. We have alot of space in this country, we can get the double or triple of what actually get and it would still not a problem of numbers. The problem is rather the efficiency to assimilate the society's functioning. It's easy for a british immigrant to come live here, it's only issue will be to drive on the right side of the road. But someone coming from a very different culture, it's big challenge and not every one succeed. It's normal that it is more difficult for some than others. It's not a new data that we could not see it coming. We knew this for quite a while. The help provided for their integration is just not enough for some immigrants. So if we state that we need to reduce the number of immigrants, we also must admit that it means that WE FAIL. The problem is not the immigrants, the problem is us, we are not good enough to do what it takes. If we compare ourselves with other countries, some are doing just fine with the same numbers or more. Others are doing worst with smaller numbers. Let's assume and be consequent. Here is an analogy. You are very hungry and are offered two choices. You can have 2 medium burgers or, 1 big burger that is the exact double of the 2 others. No ustensil, just the burger(s). You decide to take the single big burger. Then once you start eating, you figure that your mouth is not big enough and you complain. You cannot say the problems are the meat, the bread and the accompaniements. Because if you would have chosen the 2 normal burgers, you would have eaten them both because you were hungry enough for both and there would be no problem. So you are right when you say the medias do not address this like ti should. But you are wrong on the "should". The medias are taking sides of the polarisation of the extreme opinions. The ones that want as much immigrants as possible no matter what, and those who think there are always too many immigrants anyway. The medias fail the burger test. some medias want you to reject all burgers, others want you to choke on the big one. That is danger.

Of course they don't. They are not stupid. It's only a small group of individuals that swallow such crap.

In english canada yes. In Québec, Bernier is a joke. There is a reason why even in his own riding he didn't pass.

Although I choosed to be vaccinated, I have concerns regarding this vaccination passport. Neverthenless, here I will only respond to your point. If you are a candidate for serious damage, then demonstrate it and we will provide you a free pass. Since you can't, the facts are rather saying that the chances to get serious damages if you catch covid-19 are seriously greater than the ones to side effects from the vaccine. So your point rather justify vaccination than the other way around. You will get a better point if you compare this situation with infectious decease. Take the flu for instance. For most of us, once you catch it, you just spent at most few days of inconvenience. But for few old people, this can be deadly. I never saw any kind of measure to prevent people for having the flu from getting in a residency for old people before 2020. Why out of sudden it matters? Do you need a aid-free passport to date someone? Dig a little. There are comparable situations where no actions are taken that can make you wonder.

I know the Talibans do, but they are not legitimated to do so. they will never be.

This is exactly where you are wrong. Never a judge can appointed by any religion and follow the writings of a religion. Under no circumstances, this could be legitimated in any country.

Every election, ever since I am born, it is the same story. A substantial number of NDP supporters change their mind at the last minute because they fear the conservatives and rather vote for the Liberals. This one will be no exception.

You did judge. You are judging that it could be applied. It means that any individual religious freak can decide to apply a punishment based on its own interpretation of the readings. Even if it is done by a religious authority, it still is a non legitimated person and totally against the rules of the society. There is no way this could possibly be ok.

There is a missing option. He will send a big bunch after the gets elected.

Although the people who hate Quebec are very noisy and very visible, they are the minority. There is alot of bad faith from those who entertain the xenophobic hatred but, they must not get more importance than they deserve. From the point of view of one individual's life, it looks like the issue is forever. But from the point of view of the society's existence, this is a small issue in the timeline. Compare that to Finland's Finnish people. At any giving time in the past when they were controlled by the Swedes or the Russians, the Finnish were experiencing frustrations. But today, the Finnish have no issue (or major issue) sharing a bit of their sovereignty with the Eurpean Union. This is morelss what Quebec's society aspires to. People like Moonlight Graham prefers to dig a hole and stuck their head in it. They would even pour ciment to make sure it doesn't get out. If there is no way to solve that, then so be it. Let's go for complete separation. But does it have to be done with hatred and lies? I think no. I have better expectations from my fellow Canadians.

ok, so you are ignoring what I am saying rather than replying and you go back to your previous saying filled with ignorance and bad faith. You are showing me your limitations and your intelligible weakness. I feel sorry for you, it must be frustrating to not be able to sustain the conversation. But maybe you are not smart enough to figure you failed, so you do not realize it. Just a little recap, just in case you have a sudden sparks of lucidity. The federal is not listening to the Provincial politicians, it is only filling the pockets of the Quebec federal politicians and their "friends". The people of Quebec do not win, the suckers of the federal party in power do. All english speaking people in Quebec are voting Liberals. Something to make jealous any dictator of this world. The french rather vote Bloc in majority. Accusing the french for the ones sent by the english people, is totally retarded. You totally over estimate the percentage of money sent to Lavalin compared to the amount spent in other programs such as the Nuclear and the Oil and many others. no wonder why you didn't bring any numbers. The french have to fight up to the supreme court to just open a school against the province that refuses and yet, you have the nerve to say you bend over backwards. The french outside Quebec do not get from you the 20% of the respect and considerations that we do give to our fellows english in Quebec. Read the Commissioner of Official Languages for once. You should try to get out of your denial for once. Maybe you will appreciate it. Always hating people is energy consuming. We do not hate you (the people), we hate you (the stupid individuals exactly like you that keep accusing us of something you entertain). You are hypocrite. The majority of Canadians are not like you, but that is the silent majority. The minority is noisy and is unfortunately taking too much space in the politics. So no I will not STFU. I will serve you back your own projection. Because this is exactly what you deserve. There is a word to describe what you are, Xenophobic.

You are going to make my Philippina wife jealous. ?

It is so much better when it is done by a capitalist democracy that denies it's people human rights. Do you want me to find a picture of a not undercover agent working for American democracy that has a black civil in a choke hold with his knee until death?

And I suppose you are this man on your profile's picture. Of crouse. When I was in college in the early 90's, me and my friends were often signing our names with a shortiest version of our firstname plus the letter z, just because it sounded funny to hear. So we were Yvanz, Yanz (Yanick), Patz (Patrick), Marcz, Francz (François) and Benz (Benoit). It is true that it could sound German but, to the ears, it can also sound Ben's. So I was sometimes called Uncle Ben's by my friends just because it sounds funny. When come the time to create an account whether it is for email or else, I was using benz just because I did not want to use my real name and was too lazy to find something else. In 30 years of using that username on different sites, I think you are the first one that reproach me to use a german looking name rather than a french one. The running gag would have been completed if I had a girlfriend named Mercedes.

I was ironic. Maybe the irony in french cannot be translated to english so easily.

What a coward! Sweden gave a candy punishment to Mailloux, but for the same offense here, he would get a criminal record and the maximum sentence is 5 years. Why he does not blame Sweden to not protect their own girls against foreigners? Why Canada isn't showing the example to Sweden by taking care of this case and give a proper punishment? He blames the CH, but doesn't blame the NHL. Mailloux was available for pick. If the NHL did not want anyone to pick him up, the NHL could have just ban him and no one would have pick him up. Does Trudeau is just showing of his cowardice toward the NHL or is he just not smart enough to figure out he can blame them as well? Mailloux admitted his crime and is ready to pay the price. But no one is bringing the bill. It is not up to the Montreal Canadien or any other NHL team to manage alone the Canadian's justice or the NHL rules.

My wife is foreigner and I know she had to take some vaccins to be granted a permanent residency. If the Canadian government adds the covid's vaccin to that list, any other futur immigrants will have to take it. If your future wife does not want to get it, you are left with 3 other options. 1) You move to her country 2) You face the challenge of long distance relationship 3) Second guess your love

We do business with China and Saudi Arabia, but it is the canadian tourists visiting Cuba that are to blame. I am so glad I do not think like a fearmonger of communism. Not to mention that facts prove that the more you isolate the population of a country with commerce restrictions, the bigger the support to their dictator is. Go on, blame the tourists. We are amazed by your lights.

The French were not better than the British in the Carabean islans, specially Haiti, and in Africa. So I do not know why they played it so nice with the natives in North America. Maybe because they were not in position to do so. I am not naive on that. Of course the French had to fight against few natives. Mostly against the Iroquois that were raiding among the colonists to kill mothers and children. The English paid them back with weapons for every scalps they were bringing back. But the majority of the natives were allied of the French, the treaty of 1701 Great Peace is the perfect example. I do not know if it is because I suck with the English language, but I do not understand why you think we expect you to say "sorry" over and over. You would like me to consider myself as a Canadian like you. I know you think it is the right thing and you mean it with respect when you say it. I do not question your good will. But you have to understand that YOU (English only) defined what is a Canadian and YOU setup the rules. Which happens to be not fair with people that are not exactly like you, such as the natives and the French. Of course you do not experience it, because you are none of them. Just as much as I do not experience the racial discrimination on the black people. I am not the one who gets arrested just because my skin is black. It doesn't mean I do not know it exists. As an English canadian, you do not have to use the Supreme Court to subscribe your child to a public school in your language. You are not confined into a small reserve having no drinkable water. Originally, a Canadian was a French colonist. Until the late 1800's, the English were still naming themselve, North American British. So when the English decided to adopt the name of Canadian, the Canadians thought it would lead to reconciliation. We would be both Canadians, with the only difference of the spoken language. At first, the French saw this as a good news. Then later realize it was just a trap and the it changed nothing to the behavior of the ones in power. After a while, the French were so disgusted, they decided to change their name to Québécois. Do you see Quebec looking to get annexed to France? If France would claim such thing, our response would be, wait a minute cousin, we have changed alot since you gave up on us more than 250 years ago. The culture of Quebec nation is mixed. The language ties us to France and the french sphere but, we are also very north american on several other perspectives. We are not Europeans, we are North Americans and we do not intend to change that. I am French for the language, not for the nation France. Just as well as you are English for the language, not for the nation England. How come I have to explain you this? I thought you knew us better than that. Is it how you see us? You think that if I would be on that battlefield, I would say screw you English speaker? I would have saved you even if you were American or British. Because it is the right thing to do among allies. You under estimate the ties even a "separatist" could have with a English Canadian like you. I do not cheer against Team Canada in the Olympics. It is not because you do not understand the need of recognition of our nations that I would entertain futile hatred with you. I think you extrapolate our claim to a total rejection of you with resentment. You are wrong, this is not what we are. You mean 5 countries, not five nations. Well, I can give you Czechoslovaquia. Now separated into 2 nations, the Czecks and the Slovaks. Do they regret? Nope! Actually, even if it was bloody, does any nation who got its independence, ever regret it and would have change their mind if they could go in the past? No! Look, Quebec signed a deal with the Cree, nation to nation. Quebec recognizes the sovereignty that the Cree were asking. Now their land is a share sovereignty between them and us. Do you think they regret and would like to go back to when they had no recognition at all? Remember that few decades ago, they were accusing us of genocide. Now the relations are just as good as we hoped. Nothing is perfect but, breaking that deal is not on the radar for none of both sides. Cree and Quebec have proven it is possible to get along by recognizing each others. We are not divided by what happened 200 years ago. You recognize it happen and I do not blame you for what your ancestors did. The problem is not there. The problem is we are still living into a system that is the direct outcome of what your ancestors did. A system that is not fair to those who aren't English Canadians. I am asking you to recognize who we are, so we all have a say on the rules that are applied on all of us. Then being Canadian would now mean something to the French and the natives. It is not about having different rules. The rules must be the same for everyone. It's about having a say on those rules.

What is your point? Are you saying that SNC-Lavalin should not exists and is artificially kept alive? How about the automobile deal where Ottawa keeps only the constructors from Ontario? If we take in considerations all the subsides Ottawa is giving and cover up our eyes on all the corruptions, it is true that Quebec isn't the biggest loser, nor the biggest winner. SNC-Laval, Bombardier and so on, they have good workers doing a good job and their salary gives good income for the federal. Same goes for all other companies that benefit from the federal funding outside Quebec. No, the problem is, the leaders of those companies are getting a sh** load of money by corrupting the politicians. If you think that only Quebec benefits from it, then you are very dishonest. I will shut up when the french canadians won't have to use the Supreme Court to send their children to public schools. I will shut up when the french canadians will receive the same treatment as the english people do. The biggest irony in that, is the example of New Brunswick. Alot of English people over there would like their children to learn french. But the french courses suck. They complain about it but the authorities do not give a ****. Then the same politicians that refuses to give proper french courses to their own citizens, also complain that only the french people can get good bilingual jobs, because they are better bilingual than the english ones. This is so english politician mindset. First you refuse to have good course, then you whine and blame the others for your own choice of ignorance. You whine, then you blame the others for whining. It is called projection. Montreal gazette... again and again, the same angryphones that whine because they cannot have English-ONLY signs. Cry me a river.

Take the natives for example. They have been sovereign ever since they arrived in North America until your ancestors beat them, reduce them to small reserves and apply on them their own rules. Now you are saying them "that is life dude, accept your faith". Well no, it is against nature to deny who you are. The natives are natives first. Their hearts and souls belong to their own nation first, not Canada, or Manitoba, or Québec. Same goes for the French in Québec. What you are saying is, you have no trust or confidence on us at all. You believe that if this country is about the recognition of its nations, it will lead to the collapse of Canada. That is what you think of us. Then after, you wander why we do not identify ourselves as Canadians first. The actual Canada is a picture of the past. It is the picture of the post French and Indians war outcome where the British defeated us. Why is it so hard for you to conceive that you should draw a line where the past is left behind and work on the future with what is left of your "former ennemies". Do not fool yourself. If you think that the recognition of our nations lead to the destruction of Canada, it is because you still see us as enemies. You fear of what would happen to the CAD value but, yet, you are ready to sacrifice that rather than recognize the different people of this country. You do not make the effort to put yourself in our place. You prefer to picture on ourself the construction of your own fear. Indeed. I'll never blame you for what happened before you. That would be unfair. But what I want you to get concerned on, is the actual outcome of what happened in the past. The British had the intention to destroy all of us and swallow us into their nation. No success, we continue to be what we are. What path do you want to take? The one that tries to convert us like you are, once and for all? Or the one that gets along with us without the fear that we will backstab you? You have an incredible opportunity here. Neither Quebec, nor the natives have anger toward you. No one wants the blood spread on the floor. No one wants to revenge. No one wants the war. Quebec is not divided between those who love and those who hate Canada. It is rather divided on those who still have hope you will accept this reality and those who no longer have. The natives have all the reasons in the world to hate you because of the cultural genocides they went thru and yet, they just want things to be normal with the recognition they deserve. I do not understand why you just do not take the hand that is offered to you. You should question yourself if it is worth it to take the chance to destroy this country by refusing this handshake that would clear out the past once and for all. Regarding the USA, they are having so many concerns on this planet, I am pretty sure the last place they want a new conflict is their own backyard. If Canada gets unstable and slides to serious conflicts, you can bet foreigners will involve for their own interests. Europe, Russia, China... name it! Some of them would do it just for the pleasure to bother the Americans. If that happens, both of us would be the biggest losers. I cannot imagine that you, as a citizen, would let it happen. I know that trend would be very unpopular here in Quebec. The actual system places us (french and natives) in a position where you guys set alone all the rules and consider us as conquered people. The first question you must ask yourself is, how far would you go to keep it as is? How much are you ready to lose in order to keep the status quo? Don't be that dog that cannot let go its wood stick from its jaws. But if you do, then assume it until the end. Either we share this country, or we separate. We are ok to follow the very same rules, our only condition is that we agree on those rules. How much are you ready to sacrifice of this country for not sharing the setup of those rules? If you prefer separation, then the second question is, do you want to solve it as a reasonable adult, or do you want the whole international community to mess up our playground?

Appease? Appease! We are not meant to be appeased. We are not looking forward to be appeased. We want to be respected as an equal partner. Not considered as a dominated vassal that needs to be appeased. Quebec never been recognized as a nation officially in the constitution. Harper did a motion to recognize the Quebec individuals as a nation. It's a good start but, he made sure that it has no recognition politically. One serious attempt in 1987-1990, but as always, you turned your vest and betrayed your engagements. The one of 1992 is a sad joke. It's a canadian running gag. You guys betray us, then you blame us for your decision. Well, as I said to Army Guy, I did a mistake on this one. This is not exactly what we claimed in 1990 and I wrote it too fast without paying much attention to this point. Regarding the number of judges, there was no precisions on that. It was only said that Quebec wants a say on the nominations. We do not want Ottawa to choose alone who would be the judges of this country. The main goal here is, we want to make sure the judges would be impartial. If they all come from Saskatchewan and they are honest and fair, I do not have a problem with that. The problem is, I do not trust a single bit the prime minister of Canada to make a good choice. If the other provinces want also a say on the nominations, then why not? The point was also about the nominations of the senators. This whole senate is a farce. The prime minister is the one to choose the senators. We can't force you to be smarter than that. If you guys are ok with such joke, then at least let us choose our own senators. Quebec senators should be chosen by Quebec, not the PM of Canada. wtf? Do you listen to yourself when you are saying crap like that? Who has benefit in Quebec from the money those corrupted politicians looted from public funds? Only the corrupted ones did. Not the common people like me. I did not get any penny out of it. SNC-Lavalin's profits are going outside of Canada in fiscal paradises with the complicity of those politicians. How the f**k should I be satisfied with that? Who voted for the liberals in Quebec? The English people. They are 100% supportive of those corrupted ones with scores that would make any dictator jealous af. Bombardier? Great company with great workers and the worst stupid leaders. But why those leaders are still running the show for Bombardier? Because Ottawa always supported them. Ottawa never listens to us. Of course I remember this crappy sponsorship scandal. Obviously, you are not smart enough to remember that the Bloc Québécois was very strong and was getting all the french seats of the province. So it was again the English voters and very few federalist French voters who placed them in power. Not US!!!! Yet, you blame us. WTF should I have done beside voting for someone else? Kill them? You need to have the balls to blame your own fellows living here. There are the ones to blame. Again, how much money did I get from that. Sweet f***all! The corrupted ones got it all and nothing ended up in my pockets. Not a single penny. Please, get them all. I will give you those bastards anytime. Trudeau (father and son), Chretien, all liberals elected here in Quebec. I am paying the airplane tickets right now. They are causing us more damages than anything else. They are the worst of what humanity can get. But do not blame us for that. That is very coward of you. Have the balls to face their real supporters.

1.1 This is something I can't figure out regarding your reasoning. How come the recognition of our nation would make people not treated the same? On the contrary. People would still be treated the same. The difference is, we would have to both agree on the rules. But the rules would still be the same to everyone. Right now, only your nation is recognized and pretends to be the only one in this country. But it is not the reality. Quebec and the natives are all different nations and Canada is not the only one country in this world having more than one nation within its border. For me, being a different nation than yours, is not a good reason enough to separate from Canada. The federalism is suppose to be flexible enough to respect that reality. But it becomes a reason to separate if your nation does not recognize us because you guys wants to keep absolute power over the rules. It's time to turn the page of the "French and Indian war", and recognize and respect each others. 1.2 That's the only way to make sure we get along. As long as one side can decide of everything, it will always be a problem. 1.3 I did a mistake on that one. This is not the official request we presented in 1990 and I wrote it too fast. My bad. Please check the reply I will do to Moonlight graham. 1.4 In 1980, the group of 8 was claiming exactly that. Unfortunately, the group of 8 betrayed Quebec and give up that and rather go with Trudeau. We are 100000% agree with any other province that would claim the same. Unfortunately, we are the only one claiming it. But I strongly suggest that you guys claim the same for your respective province. Right now, you guys let the federal spending whatever it wants, wherever it wants, however its wants. You are giving way too much power of spending to that the federal. I think just reducing seriously the power and the coverage of spending would be better but, you guys seem ok with that. So at least, the very least, we need the full compensation of an opt out. 2.1 Yep, Alberta has contributing alot lately, but Alberta also has benefit alot in the past for its development. It would be a great futile exercise to compute all spending, contributions and investments of the last 200 years. Of course there are winners and losers. If we separate, what happen if we do not agree, what happen if we do agree. I believe that we both benefit to make it simple. 2.2 Over my dead body. Quebec has also being taken out territories. You are watching the point from a very narrowed view. It can only lead to war. It's amazing how you discard your own history to suit your today's ambition. Remember that you did cultural genocide to the french and natives living outside Quebec. Now that the cleansing is done, you behave like this whole country is legitimately exclusively yours. You will never make a point with it. If this is really the path you want to take, there will be blood. Give up on this imperialistic attitude. What is done, is done. If the ROC wants to exchange territory, let's discuss it. But if the ROC wants to take from Quebec what is left to Quebec, then let's kill each others. 2.3 Quebec is not in a position where it can starts create geopolitical issues and problems for a caprice. USA wouldn't tolerate sterile disputes anyway. This is definitely not the way we plan to behave with our neighborhood. If we do such thing, it is because you would have been looking for it. I do not expect you to reach that point. Right now, you are thinking like a federalist pro-Ottawa. Quebec always being able to get along pretty well with its neighbors. Whenever there is a dispute, it's always because Ottawa puts is nose in it.

There you go. It's a good start. If you like the term family to represent all provinces, then you need a detail to express the reality of the current context. It would be like if 9 children out of 10 are boys and the other one is a girl, or vice versa. Or 9 are biological siblings and one adopted. Quebec is its own nation. We have many differences and the most obvious one is the language and the culture that comes along. It means we see things differently on some points. But we also are having our common points. If you understand that the rules cannot be decided by the majority alone, then you are on the right track. But if on the contrary, you think you can compensate this unbalanced power by your good will, it won't do it. Alot of conflicts will be encountered.

1. I will try to make it as short as possible. We think that a real confederacy would suit Canada much better but, unfortunately, the idea never grows up outside Quebec. So we have no other choice to focus only to what regards us. The most important point that needs to be understood is, we do not want that the rules could be changed without our approval. We have no problem to follow the same rules, as long as we agree on the rules. Trudeau said in 1980, "f**k Quebec, but to compensate, I will put the non withstanding". The problem with that, is whenever it regards the cost of a program, if Quebec does not agree on how the program is managed and retire, we lose the money from it. But the money belong to the people. It's not fair if one gets nothing just because of a disagreement. Again, if the federal would be more decentralized, the issue wouldn't occur. One example among many others, the Scholar Sponsorship. Ottawa wants to give money only for the best students. Quebec rather wants to split the money even among the students. That was a big futile fight in the beginning of the 2000s. Quebec recognized as a nation Quebec veto on constitution (no problem to extend that to regions or even other provinces) Equal number of french and english at the suprême court, minimum 3 coming from Quebec. Full compensation on an opt out. Limit the the right to practice a religion to a private life context. A province can extend it to the absolute if it wants, I do not mind about that. 2. Very, very sliding subject where every one is having difficulties to be objective. Military, infrastructure, debts... the most reasonable would be that everyone get its fair share. But what is a fair share? Circa 1840, the debt of Upper Canada has been cut in half and shared to the Lower Canada that had no debt. So many investment has been done outside Quebec with our money, so many programs that we did not get our fair share. It's impossible to agree on what is fair, we must rely on what is the most realistic way to process that issue. Territory. Even right now, there is an issue about that. The south border of Labrador is one of them. It just doesn't make sense. Same thing regarding the islands along the northem coast of Quebec. It does not make sense that they belong to Nunavut. Whether Quebec separates or not, it should belong to Quebec. Now regarding french territories outside Quebec and english territories inside Quebec. It should be resolved in 2 steps. First step, the borders stay as is. Second step, Quebec and Ottawa can try to deal afterward and exchange territories. Connections. Not an issue. It would be just like USA right now. Alaska is not connected to the mainland. Hawaï is far away. The maritimes can choose to stay with the central and western Canada. Circulation throught Quebec is just one point among many others that can be negociated easily. 3. Other than constitution? When the federal does not intervene, Quebec does get along pretty well with the other provinces. The shit hits the fan when the federal stick its nose... or when the rules are unfair. There might be details that need changes but, it's minor compared to the constitution. If the provinces could control the power of Ottawa to spend money, it would help to reduce alot of irritations. But only Quebec stands on that. So a full compensation on any federal programs would do the job.