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You're RCMP? Nominally, you have the responsibility to decline unlawful orders. But I'll bet you get bounced for it. Lol

Pffft!! See my post about Waneek Horn being stabbed by a Canadian soldier.

Here: "I ......... (full name), do swear (or for a solemn affirmation, "solemnly affirm") that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her heirs and successors according to law." In Canada, the Governor-General represents the Queen, and is nominally the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces. Politicians/government cannot order military action against people of Canada. The order must come from the CinC - Governor General - and it can be appealed to the Queen. It's one of the checks and balances in our system that protects us from partisan politicians running amok and (eg) attacking people of their political opposition.

Zeitgeist is not quite correct. "Unceded" territory means it is Indigenous land: It was Indigenous territory at contact, and it was never ceded to the Crown via treaty, etc. The Royal Proclamation of 1763 lays out these laws: "any other Lands, which, not having been ceded to, or purchased by Us, are still reserved to the said Indians " "We do, with the Advice of Our Privy Council, strictly enjoin and require, that no private Person do presume to make any Purchase from the said Indians of any Lands reserved to the said Indians, within those Parts of Our Colonies where We have thought proper to allow Settlement; but that if, at any Time, any of the said Indians should be inclined to dispose of the said Lands, that same shall be purchased only for Us, in Our Name, at some publick Meeting or Assembly of the said Indians to be held for that Purpose by the Governor or Commander in Chief of Our Colonies respectively, within which they shall lie" According to the Supreme Court of Canada, unceded Indigenous territory in Canada can be legally recognized as 'Aboriginal Title'. (See esp. Delgamuuk 1997 re Wet'suet'en land, and T'silqotin 2017). Aboriginal Title is outright ownership, and includes (underground) minerals and also waters incl river/lake beds. Thus, it is stronger and more inclusive ownership than our land deeds. In Delgamuuk 1997, Wet'suet'en territory was recognized as unceded land, and the court recommended that the BC government (that administers 'Crown' Land) proceed with recognition of Aboriginal Title. 11 years later, they are still 'talking' about it ... while the RCMP is ordered, by a business-friendly temporary injunction of the local low court of BC with no Indigenous input, to escort and protect a pipeline company in forcing a pipeline through Wet'suet'en territory. It is significant that by the Royal Proclamation, decisions about unceded Indigenous land cannot be signed off on by any Indigenous leader(s) alone, but must have public consensus agreement of all people of the Indigenous Nation. That was not done. As such, the current sign-offs by (forcibly imposed) Band Councils DO NOT QUALIFY AS CONSENT, but have not yet been adjudicated by the Supreme Court of Canada. Pipeline work continues under the temporary injunction, a permanent injunction hearing will be held in the spring with Indigenous input, and can be appealed to the Court of Appeal and then to the Supreme Court.

AK-47 was not 'legal' issue at the time. So What? LeMay was targeted. If he had his arm raised, it could only reach his armpit from behind. Yes, there was shooting on both sides. Btw, SQ foolishly used tear gas against the wind. Lol And later a 14 year old Mohawk girl holding her young sister got a soldier's bayonet in her chest near her heart. She went on to be an Olympic champion ... for Canada. https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/waneek-horn-miller Wtf is your point?! That as long as police officers and soldiers are 'following orders', they do no wrong? Is that it? B.S.!!! Every officer and evey soldier is personally responsible for upholding the Constitutional rights of every person. They work for ALL of us. They don't get to pick sides.

We always need oversight. Power corrupts.

It was never established that the Mohawks killed the officer at OKA. The backstory was that he was SIU, about to blow the whistle on some corrupt cops, strangely ordered to suit up that day and then shot from behind. Your obsession with firearms is not warranted. Firearms have not been used by Indigenous people in political action since then, as they know that will just get them killed. Dudley George got killed at Ipperwash because a cop wanted to pretend that a walking stick was a rifle.

Trudeau is a Liberal. Influence peddling is what Liberals do. SNC-Lavalin is banned from contracts by the World Bank, as one of the most corrupt companies in the world. The demise of SNC-Lavelin would not be a disaster but would make room for other, better companies to develop. https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/snc-lavalins-demise-would-not-be-the-calamity-its-defenders-claim/ Wilson-Raybould may cross the floor ... to the Green Party.

As you said about OKA, it should all play out in courts of law, not in conflict with police (or military). Unfortunately, our governments evade the rule of law and create conflicts that should not happen. The point I was making about the rule of law is this: When Canada forced 'elected' Band Councils on Indigenous Peoples in the 1920's and confined them to 'reserve' lands, Canada made law (in the Indian Act) that confined the powers of elected Band Councils to the 'reserve' lands. BUT ... the proposed TC/CGL pipeline does not go through 'reserve' lands. It goes through the much larger traditional Wet'suet'en territories, never ceded to the Crown and still under the authority of the Traditional Chiefs Council. The 'elected' Band Councils do not have jurisdiction on the pipeline route, and the BC government was wrong ... in law ... in telling TC/CGL to negotiate agreements only with the Band Councils, while the Federal government remained duplicit and silent. Because of government greed, we AGAIN have conflict, where we should have had rule of law. We AGAIN have officers trying to defend illegal government actions instead of courts upholding Constitutional law, including Aboriginal rights. Canadian governments have used and abused police (and military) this way forever. In my opinion, it is time for police - RCMP in this case - to push back, to require decision from the highest court, the Supreme Court, BEFORE initiating conflict against Indigenous Peoples. I certainly agree that TC/CGL should pack up and head somewhere else. Problem solved. PS: A pipeline for shipping fracked natural gas overseas FOR PRIVATE PROFIT has absolutely nothing to do with the domestic price of oil&gasoline for your car.

That isn't clearly the case. Agreements have been signed with elected Band Councils ... BUT ... elected Band Councils have administrative authority ONLY on reserve lands. The proposed CGL pipeline is running through little or no reserve land. Elected Band Councils have no authority to consent to activity on the much larger unceded traditional territories. Wet'suet'en people have had no hearing in court yet, but will have three opportunities: - Filing evidence (by Jan 31) for the permanent injunction hearing. - Court hearing to determine whether the NEB hearing must be redone, including possible redo of environmental assessment. - Filing for recognition of Aboriginal Title. It is not a done deal yet. A flimsy interim injunction is not the last word. As for all the sabre-rattling here ... lol ... good grief! I certainly hope cooler heads prevail.

"Russia"... lol. No, just a Canadian who doesn't buy into US propaganda. I believe in free enterprise, with regulation to prevent PREDATORY capitalism. I don't believe you read my link. I have talked to vets. Some Canadian vets are well aware of what industrial developments they were 'protecting' in Afghanistan. We paid their salaries to act as security for industry! Predatory capitalism ... privatizing profits and socializing costs worldwide! BTW ... your English has some oddities. Are you Russian?

Not too good at math?

Wow! Blaming others for dirtying US hands? That's rich!

Wow. Are you really that naive? You think the US 'spreads democracy'? The US only spreads the evil tentacles of predatory capitalism. 20 US vets commit suicide every day because they realize why they were really made to invade countries and kill innocent people: Profits for the wealthy. https://www.rt.com/usa/431777-us-war-veterans-suicides/ what causes the most stress and depression is realizing that all of that was for nothing…And instead of actually being for nothing – that was [so] a few rich and powerful people in the US government and corporations could extend their power further into the Middle East.”

Yes you seem to speak for white nationalist ideology, a small and very fringe element of society. Don't strain yourself trying to "stand up" for the rest of us. Most of us don't share your ideology.

All religions are suspect, imo. But we are free to participate or not as we wish. In Canada, it's the bigoted attacks on people because of their religion that are problematic.

People say a lot of angry things when they're grieving. But facts are facts and there was no application for entry to Canada for him and his family, just for his brother and it was rejected as incomplete. It's capricorn's insincerity I'm taking issue with.

Maybe instead Harper should have improved seniors' benefits! Just a thought ...

These are people seeking asylum. They are legally entitled to a hearing. Some will be admitted to Canada, and some won't. We are not accustomed to refugees arriving on foot across our border. However, this is how refugees often arrive to other countries.

A bit of a diversion from the thread topic, but since you're throwing that allegation out there, I'd just like to point out that taking all federal and provincial governments together, NDP governments have the best fiscal record across Canada: Of the 52 years the NDP has formed governments in Canada since 1980, they’ve run balanced budgets for exactly half of those years and deficits the other half. This is a better record than both the Conservatives (balanced budgets 37% of years in government) and the Liberals (only 27%), as well as both Social Credit and PQ governments. ... the size of deficits as a share of GDP. For this measure as well, NDP governments have the best record. The average balance (deficit) as a share of provincial GDP for the 52 years of NDP governments in Canada is -0.77%, compared to -1.82% for all Liberal governments and -0.82% for all Conservative governments over the past thirty years. http://behindthenumbers.ca/2011/04/29/fiscal-record-of-canadian-political-parties-2/ While NDP and Liberal governments may both be considered socially 'progressive', they are fiscal opposites.

That seems an odd reaction. People react with sadness to the death of a child, perhaps outrage at the circumstances that caused his death, perhaps motivating them to reach out to churches, governments, etc to see what can be done about the situation. But I don't think most people would personalize or internalize guilt for his death to that extent, nor is that helpful: That kind of personal internalization of guilt for matters out of their control just immobilizes people, renders them totally useless for any constructive purposes. I believe you're being facetious, but I just thought I'd take the opportunity to point out that that is not the common reaction, nor is it desirable or useful.

Interesting development ... In the wake of the Toronto van murders, Jack Peterson was the most prominent defender of the anti-feminist ‘incels’ – until the community turned on him ... In interviews with everyone from the BBC to Vice to the Daily Beast, Peterson attempted to defend his community while denouncing the violence committed in its name. ... Despite these overt expressions of misogyny, Peterson said he had always seen them as darkly ironic. He suspected, he said, that the posters were non-violent – merely venting, and frustrated by a lack of social capital that he, too, shared. ... He tried to paint the movement as not inherently violent or sexist. The response from his own community shocked him. ... Peterson had tried to tell the world that the incels didn’t hate women – only for the incels to cry foul. “The response I got,” he says, was: “‘You’re misrepresenting us: we really do hate women. We’re not joking.’” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/19/incels-why-jack-peterson-left-elliot-rodger?utm_source=FB&utm_medium=KW&utm_content=canada_specific&utm_term=28&utm_campaign=pil&kwp_0=865142&kwp_4=2949986&kwp_1=1245719 He first found InCel discussions online at 11 years of age. Hormonal pubescent boys can be ignorant, sexist and cruel in their discomfort. Most incel talk reminds me of them. Maybe much of it is them. Most boys grow out of it. But if they become tied in to such discussions, maybe they don't. I think there's a good argument to be made for making InCel sites, if not totally illegal (inciting hatred?) at least only for adults.

You don't speak for "white people", taxme. You only speak for yourself and perhaps for other white nationalists, and you are a very small minority. I find it kind of humourous that you identify with "white people", when you probably wouldn't like most of us at all, and most of us would never want to be associated with a white supremacist. The white nation for white nationalists on a big white iceberg in the far north is sounding like a better idea all the time!

I didn't mean to dismiss your experience. You're certainly not the explosive 'incels' I was talking about and that was pretty rude of her. They're not worth it.

Yes of course you are.