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KUDOS to all above posters for taking a stand on this issue! Unfortunately, the mercury poisoning of Grassy Narrows is not only a tale of industry neglect, but frustrating and long term federal and provincial government neglect as well: http://freegrassy.net/2016/06/19/on-ignored-confession-of-toxic-mercury-dump-upstream-from-grassy-narrows/ Monday June 20, 2016 ON ignored confession of toxic mercury dump upstream from Grassy Narrows Former mill worker confessed to burying 50 barrels with mercury poison behind infamous Dryden mill Toronto – Last summer [2015] Kas Glowaki, a former Dryden mill worker, made a shocking confession. In an email letter Glowaki wrote that his conscience forced him to admit to participating in the shallow burial of 50 barrels of salt and highly toxic liquid mercury in a pit behind the Dryden mill in 1972 upstream from Grassy Narrows First Nation. When the former Grassy Narrows chief forwarded the letter to Ontario government officials over six months ago they responded by assuring him that the infamous Dryden pulp mill “is not a source of mercury.” Today, a Toronto Star investigation exposed that Ontario has neglected to clean up, or even locate, Glowaki’s reported mercury poison dump. Ontario officials admitted to the Toronto Star that they had not tested mercury levels in Wabigoon River water since 1980 – the one test that could confirm whether the old mill site is leaking mercury poison. So ... now we have Trudeau and Ford jointly responsible to address 1) treatment for affected people, and 2) cleanup of the mercury. Will they be able to work together? Trudeau has refused to visit. I'll give Ford due credit if he does something to help. As far as I know, those barrels are still buried and leaking.

Perhaps you could clarify: From where they are now in the process, how you suggest the government do it differently? https://www.rcaanc-cirnac.gc.ca/eng/1100100030285/1529354158736#chp3

I can only find 2011 data, First Nations 25-54 on reserve: 47% employment overall, 65% with Postsecondary Comparison non-aboriginal: 76% overall, 81% with Postsecondary Still a gap ... but not "90% unemployment"

And sometimes being accosted by hateful far right white supremacists. As if the police weren't busy enough. How much do the white supremacists cost us for policing every time they try to rally in public to incite hatred or harass groups of 'immigrants' with their racial hatred ???!!!

They can now ask for asylum at regular ports of entry, even from a "safe" country. I hope it's implemented immediately.

You can check on the Statistics Canada site.

I'm sure they will do some of the things you suggest ... if they want to. But I'm still waiting for you to back up your claim of "race-based benefits" ... ??? VS my claim that benefits and services for Indigenous people are the same types as for all Canadians (though not to the same levels, perhaps).

It was you who claimed the existence of "race-based benefits", but you provided nothing to back up that claim. I pointed out that Indigenous people simply get the same types of benefits and services as all Canadians. It is not clear whether people in reserve communities get the same level of services: education funding levels per-student may still be inexplicably lower, for example. Medical services are more limited, water purification obviously not equitable, fresh foods not as accessible. Roads? Hydro? Not sure, but I wouldn't assume they're reliable. Public housing? ... we've all heard of the nightmare mould problems in reserve communities. Granted, we may have pest problems and disrepair in public housing in cities too, but not to the level of being condemned due to unhealthy-to-deadly mould contamination. Equity in benefits and services is certainly a reasonable goal, but I don't think we've achieved it yet. As for taxes ... per previous link ... balancing benefits received and income taxes paid ... 40% of Canadians pay no taxes.

The "race-based benefits" claim is popular with white supremacists. "Where does it end?" You could as easily ask ... Where do welfare benefits end? Where do health care benefits end? Where do disability benefits end? Where do child care benefits end? Where does income support for seniors end? Where do education costs end? Where do public housing costs end? Where do costs for governance, roads, and public utilities end? They don't, of course. And what you are complaining about is the fact that all of those services being provided to Indigenous people. Why should they not receive equal services to all other Canadians? 40 per cent of Canadians ... do not pay any effective income tax https://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/taxes/trudeau-is-right-40-of-canadians-dont-pay-income-taxes-which-means-someone-else-is-picking-up-the-bill And they all still receive services. Your "race-based" complaints are just nonsense ... of a particularly insidious nature.

I quoted average individual income. You quoted median household income. We're both right. Lol Yes, it varies by province, and that's why I used the Canadian average, and because that's what the statement was that we're responding to: It takes an average immigrant 12 years to reach the average Canadian income. Lots of Canadians (about half) live on incomes below $50k. There are lots of minimum wage jobs (~$25-$30k) and lots of people do live on that. Likely many would be newer immigrants. Welfare for an individual is about $10k. There is no financial assistance for anyone making that or more (except for children, disabled, senior, unemployed). As for paying bills ... it depends what your bills are for. Many people can't afford to own houses or vehicles.

If only 20% went to reserves, where did the other 80% of the (then) Indian Affairs budget go?

Umm ... Canada is in North America, part of the Americas. And the difference isn't that huge.

You can look at the Financial Statements and Audits of First Nations on their websites, and federal Indigenous Services too. Then look at the finances of your own municipality for comparison. I think you need a better grasp of the financial aspects of education, health care and other public services, all of which are provided to Indigenous communities as part of the deal (treaties, etc.) we made for living here.

No government is ever going to put that in their budget! Lol

So ... the topic is far-right terrorists, and the far-right posters won't talk about that problem. They only, as always, want to bash immigrants. Figures.

So the men are going to start having babies and raising kids now? Go for it!

I'm in no position to judge why some Indigenous communities have more economic advantages than others. I expect some have had land claims settled by the government and others have not. (Ask the government why.) Some have revenues from resources, or from development due to nearby cities. Etc. But that wasn't your question. You asked why aren'tthe less fortunate reserves making regular trips to the successful ones?   So ... prove that they're not. Perhaps some reserves simply don't have the land settlement monies for investments, natural resource revenues, development revenues that others have.

The very least we can do is say "Thank you" that we live on their land, when we haven't finished paying for that privilege yet, and we live off the proceeds of resources from their land (oil, mining, forestry, etc) that we haven't finished paying for yet. Reality.

Your question: BTW, how can this point system help Canada gov't to stop terror suspects entering Canada? My answer: As well as the point system for immigration, there is also security assessment. Does that clarify?

Thus, "about". I didn't want to complicate things with details about different measures of central tendency. I was just trying to get across to Army Guy the fact that immigrants are not that different as a lot of Canadians also earn less than the 'average' income (without being on "welfare").

Why ask when you can look it up yourself? https://www.canada.ca/en/security-intelligence-service/services/security-screening-for-immigration-and-citizenship-applications.html Security screening for immigration and citizenship applications CSIS and CBSA provide security advice to IRCC to make sure applicants are not a threat to national security. And why complain before you bother to learn the facts? And BTW, how many "terror suspects" have come through Canada's Immigration system? Also this: https://www.folio.ca/are-refugees-a-threat-to-canada/ “For a refugee, you have to get interviewed and screened by the United Nations High Commission on Refugees, then you get screened by Canadian immigration and Canadian security organizations, and then you can enter Canada,” he says. “That’s an incredible amount of screening, and if you were a terrorist looking to infiltrate the country, that would be your last choice. It’s too onerous and the chances of detection are very high.”

The average income for Canadians is about $51,000 a year. So about half of all Canadians earn more than $51,000 and about half earn less. So until about 12 years in the country, immigrants (with about half of other Canadians) manage to get along while earning less than $51,000 per year. Does that clarify?

You said (and I paraphrase) that an average person wouldn't know right from wrong if some religion didn't teach them. (But you're not religious.) I just think you must have experienced a very limited range of people.

Admitted, some people crossed the border illegally/irregularly (which happens in Europe all the time, btw). But the way you word it suggests that's all they had to do to stay in Canada, and that just is not true. They are subject to the same assessment processes as all refugees, and many will be denied. The only difference is that refugees are usually processed overseas by Canadian officials before arrival in Canada, after 'illegally' crossing a border into a 'safe' country. ??? We vet every applicant from every nation for immigration to Canada. Caveats like ... we can't leave a person stateless; we can't discriminate against citizens who are "immigrants", some of whom arrived as children; we can't discriminate against Canadians who hold dual citizenship; what about people who are 2nd/3rd/4th + generation 'immigrants' who hold dual citizenship? The laws hold people accountable for crimes. You can't punish some Canadians more harshly simply because they hold dual citizenship. All of these 'caveats' have been fully considered in arriving at the conclusion that criminal Canadian citizens are subject to the laws and punishments of Canada, and no more. If you disagree with the judgements made, you are free to leave.