Hal 9000

Maybe I wasn't clear enough or maybe you missed my point - whatever! The point is, you can't accurately determine what an adult will become based on what they were/are as a toddler/preschooler. You might get a sense or where a child is heading, but that again comes down to parenting. As for kids being sociopaths, my point was that a kid showing sociopathic behaviour as a toddler does not mean they'll exhibit that behaviour as an adult. In truth, all kids are sociopaths until a certain age, most kids show violent behaviours until a certain age too - that's kinda my point. So, to apply labels at such an early age would be reckless and likely inaccurate.

No, you're dismissing the entire field of child psychology. The odds are way greater that this boy is exactly what mom wants, expects or has made him to be. A toddler that is hitting and biting or exhibiting destructive behaviours is always addressed the same way from the schools, daycares, police and psychologists - "what's going on in the home". And...your right! It doesn't mean they'll be this way for the rest of their lives just as Renn might not be the way he is for the rest of his life. I'm glad we agree.

Like it or not, this is a boy we're talking about. In the future he could be a straight man, a gay man and yes...he could be a straight woman or a gay woman - but for now he is a boy and the fact that you people are so eager to pigeon hole him as transgender is sick.

The same reason that i'm not gonna LABEL 3YO Johnny a sociopath because he doesn't talk to other kids, or a psychopath because he hits another child with a toy, a future killer because he plays with toy guns or a sex offender because he played "i'll show you mine if you show me yours".

Is there some irony here that all the supporters of this woman speak of "gender neutrality", "not stereotyping", "not forcing labels", "letting people be who they want to be", yet a 3YO who feels different (or maybe just wants to be like his siblings)is immediately labelled (by these same people) as transgendered? C'mon, this is a toddler we're talking about, probably not even completely out of diapers yet. People don't completely agree about gender and even doctors disagree to some extent on what it's all about, but we (society) are quite prepared to let mom with an obvious agenda and a toddler lead us down this road. WoW! Maybe this kid grows up to be a proud straight man, maybe a proud gay man - but the way it's going, mom won't let either of those happen. I fear this kid will need a lot of therapy later on in life.

Double post - sorry

If "what gender you are" doesn't matter, then whats the hurry to start dressing your kids in pretty pink dresses, fairy wings and high heeled shoes? If you really think your pre pubescent child may be transgender, dress them neutral, let them do the activtities they want and for now have them use the washrooms that they have plumbing for. I know boys who are somewhat effeminate (like to help mom in the kitchen, go to girl parties etc). Just because your toddler or young boy slips on moms high heels and puts on sisters eye make-up (which, truth be told, most young boys will do) doesn't mean we should rush to pushing the trans gender agenda. I'm very close to someone who insisted she was a boy and it went on until her father insisted she wear a bra - why? Well, she was closer to her father than her mother, she idolized her brothers and wanted to do what they did (fishing, working on cars, and peeing outside all seemed very cool to her). She is very much female. There are many cases where a boy is a little more effeminate that would one would typically expect and the girl is a little more masculine and it usually stems from the parents and most kids will overcome (for lack of a better word) this. We had "sissies and we had tom boys well before this generation and most of them turned out just fine. (forgive the crude terminologies) Again, I don't discredit some adult who feels transgender, but this child thing really bothers me. I truly feel that Renn's mother has gone way over the line and I think she's quite prepared to go even farther.

Kids are sponges. Kids imitate what they see around them. Kids essentially do what they are taught to do. We hear this every day. I've heard all the left wing people saying we don't expose our child to violence (hockey, MMA, video games) because we don't want them to become violent. We don't want them playing with guns. We don't want to drink in front of them or use curse words because we don't want them to pick it up. The left is sure that churches and closed societies can strongly influence young or weak-minded people, yet when I suggest that it can go the other way, you people are outraged. So, why wouldn't it be fair to assume that this boy could have been taught that being a sweet little girl is what's "normal" for him/her and their family? There is already a sister and a brother wearing dresses, why wouldn't the youngest child assume that dresses are what's supposed to be worn. Mom said this has been going on since the child was 3 (and I would suspect that it's been since birth). If you tell a 3 YO that they're a pretty little girl, by 6 that child will insist that that's what they are. You can brainwash an adult in less than a year, imagine what a parent can create in a toddler over several years. And...before you mention schools and psychologists, I'll tell you that if you tested that 6YO child, they will undoubtedly insist they are a girl - why wouldn't they, mom's be calling them "sweet little girl for years"? This mom will eventually find a phychologist that agrees with everything mom has told them. Diagnosis of any mental issue is just about finding the right doctor. Schools....There is not one teacher, principle, school board or low/mid level politician that will say "no" to this woman and this situation, to do so would be career suicide. I don't give a rats ass what adults do with their bodies, but the more I look into this case, the more I believe that it's all mom's doing.

At 6 years old you don't know anything about sexual identity. All you really know is "what gets me the attention than that I need" - that's about it. If this boy has been getting positive feedback for being a girl, he'll do just that. Maybe he sees his brother (or sister) dressing like a girl and it just seems like the norm in the family. I agree with Tim that this woman's ultimate goal is probably to look at complete gender reassignment for this kid and once she gets the government to side with her on all accounts that this boy is actually a girl, it's a short leap to survey. I'll bet we see them heading down this road sooner rather than later - my guess is before he hits puberty. P.S - I can't wait until some teenage girl feels uncomfortable about a boy in her dressing room or some boy gets expelled for insisting he has a right to change in the girls locker room - what then? What about their rights?

I don't think anyone figures she'll get "25 years pounding rocks in the hot sun". I think she should get a decent prison sentence, but I'd be foolish to think she'll get even a day.

So, this woman gives "pride training" and lectures about "gender creativity", has one boy that's a a 9YO cross dresser and another 6YO boy that's a full blown transgender and people don't see the incredible coincidence here. I think maybe she started too late with the first boy but got the second one early enough.

Good grief, they've missed one cheque. Even you agree that it's a stunt.

Right on Tim!

Good point! These people mostly are entitled to EI, but they still have some amount of income interruption. It doesn't change anything I said though.

Really! You and cyber have never seen that happen before? Really! In a society which is rife with gender stereotypes and biases, children regularly learn to adopt gender roles which are not always fair to both sexes. As children move through childhood and into adolescence, they are exposed to many factors which influence their attitudes and behaviors regarding gender roles. These attitudes and behaviors are generally learned first in the home and are then reinforced by the child's peers, school experience, and television viewing. However, the strongest influence on gender role development seems to occur within the family setting, with parents passing on, both overtly and covertly, to their children their own beliefs about gender.

Given the option, I'd take the US Medical system and tax policy over the Canadian medical and tax policy. As a Canadian, I know we are just pretending when we say "medical is free".

It seems odd that a woman with such strong convictions about an issue just happens to have a child who is gender or sexually confused. Is there anyone else who thinks that maybe mom is steering the kid to be female.

Why would you think her conscience will punish her? She pleaded not guilty because she doesn't think she did anything wrong, she's admittedly shocked that she was found guilty. i don't think she has any guilty conscience whatsoever. Most of us would take whatever plea deal we could, spare the victims families the court trial and beg forgiveness to whoever will listen - not this chick!

"Czornobaj, a financial analyst who graduated from Concordia’s John Molson School of Business, has no criminal record. She also made the dean’s list at Concordia while she studied there." I doubt they could use "temporary diminished capacity" here - unless she came out and said she was really baked at the time, which wouldn't go over well either.

What she did was stupid, parking a car on the left of double lanes is stupid, what is also stupid is racing, cell phone use, eating while driving and impaired driving. What these things also have in common at the very root of things is a total lack of respect for everyone else on the highway. I can't even imagine someone would do that if they were of clear mind (no alcohol or drugs), and she doesn't seem to have diminished mentality - so that leaves her guilty of said charges. She simply didn't have any regard for anyone else's safety. It's basically vehicular manslaughter, with a more palatable name.

No criminal intent, but there was negligence and that is and should be punishable. Her alternator didn't fail, so I'll just call that a straw man. She made a conscience decision that cost 2 people their lives. I have a job where I put my life and lives of others at risk every day and if I make a poor judgement call that costs lives, I am liable. It's right there in our government regulations. "Czornobaj was willing to plead guilty as recently as April but refused to do jail time. She now has a sentencing hearing scheduled for August. Defence lawyer Marc Labelle said his client was shocked by the verdict." Refused to do jail time! Shocked by the verdict! This woman shows no accountability and just doesn't get it.

Well, her stupidity caused the deaths of 2 people. And, instead of throwing herself on the mercy of the court she fought the case to avoid jail time - forcing the family of her victims to go through a trial. Why? So she could avoid accountability to her crimes. How arrogant and selfish can a person be? I don't agree that jail time should have to accomplish something, what about punishment for a crime - or, have we forgot about that - punishment. Being a woman and living in Quebec, I'll be surprised if she gets any actual jail time, but I'd give certainly give her something.

I'm sure we all know that the food bank was set-up amongst the teachers themselves, it's the visuals or the terminology used to compare themselves with those who are actually "poor" that I take issue with. And...I know loggers with 8th grade education who know to put money away for fire season and snow etc etc. I know fishermen, pickers, tree planters, yard people etc etc that all work seasonal and all have to deal with income interruptions - that's life! Teachers have spent every year of their life since the age of 5 knowing when school is in and when its not. If they haven't figured things out by now or are living beyond their means, then that's their fault.

She should be found guilty! I'm really sick of people swerving or slamming on brakes to avoid animals. I remember the Vancouver woman who rolled her can into a creek with 2 toddlers inside just so she could avoid hitting some ducks - stupid stupid! I hope they throw the book at her.

This whole food bank thing is a little over the top. I would feel truly insulted and patronized if I was someone who actually needed food banks for support. But here are the teachers portraying themselves as victims...again. Snapping up food cards! How embarrassing! It's a poorly conceived stunt with incredibly bad timing. At least wait until August to pull out that stunt. And...if it's not a stunt then we have to believe that these people who are teaching our kids, who know exactly how much they make and exactly when they'll be without work are so inept with budgeting that two weeks after school ends, they're out of cash! Are we to believe that every regular year that teachers are looking for handouts by mid july? Are these the people who we want teaching math to our children? Good grief, maybe the government needs to manage the teachers' money for them by spreading their pay equally over 12 months. P.S - Maybe the teachers should give those food cards to the parents who make squat in comparison and now have to pay daycare so their kids can be looked after while they go to their minimum wage job.