monty16

That is more like something that deserves a proper response. I'll do so when I can afford the time. And right now, the rabble has arrived to insult and take our conversation off topic so I'll let things cool off a bit.

Your first sentence told me that you are in denial of the truth. Your second sentence told me that your intention is to be rude and insulting. I didn't bother reading any further.

Yeah, ain't it awful! Just expect to keep hearing it as long as that evil Zionist regime continues to practice apartheid against the Palestinian people. I mean, how could a couple of dead Israeli teens be of any signivicance compared to the thousands of murdered innocent Palestinian children? Just because you don't like hearing the truth and would like to have it censored so it doesn't hurt your twisted sense of justice, doesn't mean I'm going to stop telling you.

I'm entertained by your excuses for why the Ruble isn't low as on guard for thee suggested here: I mean, it could ease his pain knowing that you're volunteering reasons for his ignorance of the facts!

Nothing about that apartheid regime is going to substantially change until the US decides it's too dangerous to back it any longer. simple. But I don't think things will change fast enough in that sort of peaceable manner before things changes drastically. That evil apartheid regime is 'changed' into a glass parking lot. No, I'm not hoping for that, just predicting that it's getting closer and closer.

I'm not sure if it's better to murder teens than children. The Israelis murder both but being pre-teens doesn't save the Palestinian children. In any case, we can all agree that if the murdering stopped on one side, it would perhaps stop on both sides. It's only a question of what side promotes the murdering of the other the most. That could lead to making this thread worthwhile if it results in a meaningful discussion on that point. Otherwise, it's of little real significance until the Zionists start bombing the masses in retaliation for murder. That won't be a civilized response to "murder".

The citation isn't going to be worth more to the debate than the real facts. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38839.htm But I don't have any difficulty saying that Iraq would be sunshine and kittens if Saddam was still in power. In fact, it blows the mind to imagine just how stable the ME as a whole would have been without US involvement and the Iraq wars. I'm not sure I get your point there? What I'm saying is that the US was able to pull the strings but no longer can. Can you appreciate the significance of Maliki inviting Russia sending military aid? Would you agree with me if I said that the US now thinks Maliki has to go? He will go because he's lost his usefulness and become the exact opposite of the US plan for Iraq. That being, holding Iraq within the US sphere of influence. We just can't discount the fact that Saddam was overthrown by the US. After that fact there is no other explanation in my opinion but to accept that the US needed to install, or have installed, a US sympathetic regime. Can you explain that point further. Not the point that the Kurds would benefit most because that's a given.

The U.S. crafted the results when it went to war to remove Saddam. No election from that point on can be called legitimate and especially of a country under U.S. occupation. The current noise coming out of the U.S. is that Maliki needs to be removed. Has something changed? I would say that what has changed is that Maliki has gone sour. ISIS is moving through Iraq with practically no resistance. The propped up US armed Iraqi military forces are throwing down their arms and have no will to fight for their country. It's a demonstration of no loyalty for the US plan for Iraq, or loyalty for their elected leader. Or more correctly, the best of the choices that were offered or allowed by the occupation. Saddam's rule was successful for Iraq and nothing else is working. No installed leader is going to fix it now and certainly not Maliki. So how about this? He's turning into Russia's puppet now.

Saddam was Iraq's leader before the US wars to remove him. The US war was meant to remove Saddam and in the case of the first war, the US expected the Iraqi people to do the job for them. They didn't of course. Isn't it pretty obvious that the US occupation of Iraq will maintain a puppet that will do their bidding? And now I'm suggesting that Maliki has gone sour on the US. The US would be coming to his rescue if they were still pulling his strings. Instead, Maliki has turned to Russia and Russia is coming to his assistance. Would you be interested in a citation that isn't US friendly? You aren't going to find a US friendly site that has an interest in telling the real truth on what the US is doing in Iraq.

It's not worth commenting on further. There's a difference between Maliki being a US puppet and Maliki having been a US puppet who has gone sour. Some won't understand that of course and some will deny any truths that don't shine the apologist light on the US.

It's not but at least he's abiding by the rules and that's what's important to me. It's a slow process but I think the quality of the forum is starting to improve so remarks such as that with no substance should just be considered childish spamming.

Just kiddin. If there was a thread eliminated I'm going to hear about it from the admin. I'm now wondering if I should start a new thread for different topic or take a chance of introducing a new topic on an old thred that wouldn't be suitable? What's a boy to do? In the meantime, what's your advice for posting a bunch of quotes of the warmongers who lied to get the Iraq war?New thread? Use one of the old ones? In any case, it's really good stuff and it's being brought up now because of what ISIS is doing in Iraq and why the US warmongers are responsible. Coming soon to a theater near you!

Must be a forum glitch of some kind? No notification from the mods at all. If I could remember the title of my latest thread I would restart it. Give me a hint and if the admin or the mods don't provide an explanation then I'm sure the won't mind be bringing it back.

http://rt.com/usa/169080-nebraska-inmates-release-mistake/ And Lions and Tigers and Bears, oh no!! A little something to keep the Americans off the streets for a while. So what do they want now, for the inmates to come back and turn themselves in to the privately run prisons? Is every day a bad guy runs loose a loss of income to the big bosses who run the pens? Huhhhh?

Beware, the following link is not for the uninitated. It's another commie lie because it shows the Ruble nearly unchanged since the first business day in January. Commie pinko lies, and living right here in B.C.. Why, they've infiltrated the universities now! What next, the churches and the homes of Canadians? http://fx.sauder.ubc.ca/cgi/fxdata Pppppphhhhhhhttttttt!

But, but, but, why do the charts not show the Ruble down against the greenback? Did you answer a little too hastily friend?

My topic all differ in a significant way so unless I'm ordered by the forum's admin or mods to do what you demand, I'm just going to ignore it. And a question that is a little off topic if you will for a minute: Is it against the rules to mention another forum wherr the level of discourse is of a much higher quality and the moderators don't put up with the same sort of abuse this one puts up with? Not to suggest that this forum has become redundant because it hasn't. It's content is still an educating experience for the propagandized US lemmings who are not well suited to an elevated level of discourse. I'm only asking because I would like to point out a few comparisons. So what do you think Shady? And to be completely honest, I'm starting to feel like a bit of a bully.

Good observation friend. I didn't know that your area of expertise would be economics. So I can dance to that tune too! Question: Is Russia's failing economy being reflected in the value of the Russian ruble on the world market? And if so then over what period of time could we expect to see that influence kick in? Take your time with that pal! It's a trick question and there's going to be a test!!

True, so true! LOL And talk about shooting off your foot! Offence?? Why in hell would I take offence to you admitting that you've been acting as I've suggested?

I guess what you think is being proven wrong again! I would say, that both of us understand all the real reasons for that war but I've become convinced now that you really don't understand any of it. And I'm now totally convinced that you're trying to make us think you're somebody who you aren't. If that wasn't true then you wouldn't be making so many mistakes in our conversations. Loyalty is one thing but shooting off your foot so often is another. It just doesn't pass muster anymore pal. No offence. Just that I'm not going to lower myself to that level of buffoonery anymore.

http://rt.com/news/169240-ukraine-rally-ceasefire-martial/ His supporters are calling for martial law to crush the opposition being put up by his own people. Is he afraid that the US/Nato won't come to his rescue and save his head staying on his shoulders? Is he afraid that Russia "isn't" afraid of the US/Nato and will finally react to this abuse of his power that isn't balanced in the interests of his people. I predict that Russia is going to ride this for a long time in order to make the solid case against Poroshenko and his regime. Then look out. And so, the question is: Will the US/Nato come into it with an equal demonstration of power? Not that anybody should misunderstand what that means if they do.

No, I'm not looking forward to mass executions, etc. And I'm not an odd person. Nor am I an admirer of Adolph Hitler. Which counts up to three more personal attacks against me. And of course I've reported them! Please stop the personal attacks. You can do better than that if you simply debate my ideas without the insults! Thanks!

Make no mistake, both wars against Iraq were for the same reason. It strains credibility to even suggest otherwise. And there is lots of evidence now to show that the Gulf war was not on behalf of the evil monarchy of Kuwait. If you're up to debating it then let's do it! Were you involved in that slaughter? Could you bear to face the guilt that would lay on you? I'm not afraid in the least to accept my guilt as a Canadian citizen for our part in that phony US led war for oil. I do fear the eventual comeuppance we may get for it. So the best I can do is argue for not having anything to do with a repeat in the ME. It's a selfish regard for my fellow Canadians as well as a regard for my fellow human beings. Roasted women and children ruin my appetite. You?

It's the initial question I asked when I started this thread. Should it be stopped by the US with more bombing and destruction? Your answer? Who should stop it, if anybody can? Your answer? Should the US be involved? Your answer? How should the US be involved? Your answer? I am very firmly of the opinion that the West mush stay completely out of it.

Your problem is that your opinion is on the side of wrong and it's been there ever since it was proven that the US lied to get it's war against Iraq. I'm just wondering how any decent person could excuse that and continue to support the US. Sure, Canada is being blackmailed into complicity by the US but no decent Canadian has to be a part of it.