monty16

O.k. we'll play make believe and toy soldiers if that's what you want. But after we kill all the little soldiers I'm going to have to talk a bit of reality, o.k? Has the US 'taken out' North Korea's nuclear weapons yet? When will it 'take them out'? Oh, oh, oh, me, me, I know! The US is going to 'take out' N.Korea's Nuclear weapons when they use them on the US! Right? Your only problem is that you've 'taken out' too many pizzas.

Here's some "normal" for you. The US will very quickly eclipse the number of deaths caused by ISIS if they go 'in'. I would suggest that your 'normally' would be pretty well what you are now advocating. I would only wonder if you have any real idea of what kind of 'mess' Iraq is in now and if that 'mess' can be increased with more US presence. The US is now pretending that it will come back and bomb in exchange for Maliki's resignation. In truth they are alredy in Iraq bombing again anyway. One propaganda piece contradicts the next.

the situation in Iraq can never be as bad as what the US created and will again create if it gets involved. Even the crazies like Glenn Beck and the Fox News idiots are saying that the US shouldn't get involved again. Although they express it with sick attitudes of "No More", which means no more American lives lost. That's surely not the issue at this late date and after the experience that cost hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives. Who really cares about how many Americans die while they are in Iraq once again slaughtering the people to keep the oil flowing? In real life, the US is flying their planes around over Iraq searching for more victims. They'll find them but it's questionable whether they will be ISIS or more Iraqi people. And finally, if ISIS succeeds then it's quite likely it will succeed in bringing stability back to Iraq's people. The way Saddam had succeeded. Counterspin that for us with your US propaganda parroting!

Thanks! there was a time when any of our posters could be figured out by their track record of shooting off their mouths. There's never been any doubt about you and there's never been any doubt about Shady. But recently one of them must have said something stupid that called for him being corrected and he's completely compromised any principles he ever had in order to disagree with me. Now he's Shady's friend. There never was any misunderstanding about it but going with bucks which were obviously 'oil' bucks is a new approach. Albeit a feeble one!

the U.S. has deliberately targeted Iraqi civilians with both bombs and guns. That the didn't get caught in the act more than just a few times is small consolation to their apologists. But some of their most brutal slaughters of civilians were caught on camera. The My Lai massacre where a Vietnamese grandmother is shown screaming at a US soldier. Beside her stands a teenage Iraqi girl who is seen buttoning up her blouse and in tears. She's in tears because the US soldiers just raped her. Another woman, apparently the mother of the rape victim is seen holding a baby of perhaps a year of age in her arms. Mere seconds later the entire family was machine gunned down and lay dead on the ground. Iraq didn't furnish us those horrible first hand accounts because they learned to 'embed' the media and keep them from blowing the cover. But only a heartless animal would even attempt to apologize for what they got away with. With apologies to animals. And so why Iraq? For oil! That's why the US military was so easily programmed into hating their enemy. Those that have not been able to live with their demons have taken their lives. It's the only peace a person with a shred of decency would ever find. Have you US apologists found peace with your convictions yet? Could you live with yourselves if you ever acknowledged the truth? edit: One of the shots in the Haberle sequence with the family. Not the best one though because they must have found it just too horrible for the public to see even years later. Calley got time off for good behaviour or something like that after serving about a year in jail. http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=my+lai+massacre+photos&qpvt=my+lai+massacre+photos&FORM=IGRE#view=detail&id=E58ECF4446128B451556765C068B335703AD42D2&selectedIndex=202 Choose your side!

You should have tried to polish that up a bit first and ignored the noises in your head to come up with something new and original over what your friend had given you for ideas. Nobody ever said that US apologists or Nazis are stupid. They fight hard to prop up the illusion even when it's far too late to change the obvious facts. Try this: The US went to war with Iraq for oil and it wasn't for WMD's or Saddam or anything else. The noise in your head should have told you that by now as you still are refusing to pick an excuse and prop it up with some evidence. You didn't start out on that side but I think I've succeeded in coaxing you over to that side now. Good for you! It starkly indicates your worth as a person!

It was all about oil and nothing else but they can try to put a different spin on it by initiating a new approach saying it wasn't 'for' oil. The power of US propaganda. Pretending that it wasn't all about Iraq's oil at this late date when the US has been revealed as the pariah nation. Small brains can never escape their US propaganda indoctrination even when we now know the whole truth. And again tonight Rachel Maddow screams about how Cheney was responsible for the Iraq war. It's not only an attempt to absolve Bush2 from any responsibility but it also attempts to clear the US. Are you going to join their club or are you just pointing out that war for bucks is war for oil?

these 'huge' bombs don't count. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=huge+bombs+dropped+on+Iraq&qpvt=huge+bombs+dropped+on+Iraq&FORM=VDRE

Off the top of my head, in 2000 the US imported about 250 million barrels from Iraq and about 500 million from Canada. That's all I'm going to do until you and/or your friend 'put up'. Confusion, ignorance, and doubletalking, make strange bedfellows. I really, really, really know that you have it firmly fixed in your mind as well as shady having it in his mind that there is another good reason for the US's Iraq war! I also understand that it's usually the empty bottle that makes the loudest noise when it's rattled. Two great minds do indeed think alike!

Question for the experts: If the US is the world's largest supplier of oil to the world then why does the US still import about half of it's oil requirements? When we embark on trying to understand how the world's 'bucket' of oil works then we are a little less prone to shoot off our cakeholes over denial of what the Iraq war was all about. But some just continue anyway.

The US consumes about 20 million barrels of oil per day. I've already explained to you that it comes out of the same bucket for the world. Now it's your turn to give us one more reason why the US waged war on Iraq, second time. You can't do it and so you're a waste of time. And as for your claim that the US received no Iraq oil, I'll get around to proving that's just another lie. But only if you ask me to and you think it's worth it. Now it's your turn first.

Blllllaaaaahhhhh, the US apologist mutts will run with their tails between their legs again. And changing the subject to argue which US president is to blame is just that. Go with Iraq's cabbage crop, it's the most credible of the lot!

Gosthacked: Good! then you and him can race each other and spill your guts on what other reason there was for the Iraq war. Or, if you prefer, any US meddling in the ME. Suits me either way. And you can even add to shady's list of the other reasons he's stated by coming up with one of your own! So there's the challenge for you. Name the reason, show something to back it up, anything, and we'll get into a worthwhile discussion. Just remember, it can't be oil right? You can do it! Shady doesn't stand a chance up against your intelligence and your immense knowledge of the reasons for the Iraq war! Right? WRONG! You're both trying to blow smoke up a dead dog's ass. And the worst of it is that you have already stated dozens of times that the US went to Iraq for it's oil. Blahhhhhh. Counterspin that for a while.

Fair to compare the US to the ME because they are comparable countries. Canada wouldn't be a useful comparison because Canada can't be compared to the US in any way when it comes to killing of it's own people. But how does strapping explosives to a few (??), if any children compare to the US deliberately dropping huge bombs on hundreds of thousands of children in Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Japan, and other countries? Was it all done for a good cause and if not then which ones weren't?

I'm going to continue to strengthen the case for oil until Shady gets off his ass and picks another cause. Here's the start of the re-education: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/06/12/iraq-targets-45-million-barrels-2014/2415427/ Question: How much was Iraq producing prior to 2003?

O.k. Good! Now let's take any one of those issues and we'll talk about it. Your choice! Take one and explain for us how that one issue was, along with oil, the reason for the Iraq war. As far as I'm aware there hasn't been anyone who has actually made that kind of proposal/suggestion who has taken the time to get involved in explaining and reasoning it out.

Forget Blackwater and Haliburton. That's incidental side beenfits and just show that you don't understand either. The US didn't go to war for private companies and how it would benefit them. Isn't it about time we had a detailed discussion so that maybe some people would start to understand. Yes, I know your intentions are good but you do damage to the real truth by mentioning Haliburton the the obvious benefit Cheney got out of it. Even I would never accuse the US of being so crass and evil as to go to war and kill millions for Haliburton! Why is it so fu--ing hard to understand that freeing up Saddam's oil resources, making Iraq produce, and thereby bringing down the world price of oil for the US have-not country, the reason for US meddling throughout the ME? And then it's pretty obvious that Shady has been caught flatfooted when he says that he's already explained it all! duhhhhhhh!

I think he was being sarcastic Shady. No, he 'must' have been trying to be sarcastic. Nobody could be serious and say that Iraq isn't producing at record levels now, as opposed to very low level production prior to the US slaughter of the Iraqi people.

I don't think anybody knows what you're talking about. I don't and I' the one that should I suppose? Please explain and help make something good come out of this thread!

The good that can come out of this thread is that some evil swine will stop trying to tell us that it's o.k. to slaughter other people in foreign lands because they don't value human life. The point for which one poster on this forum was sincerely congratulated for making!

That's not fair, I defended the US in some situations and I certainly didn't lie about anything. Debate now. Does the US not have a record of killing their own people with their own guns? More so than in any other country of the *world? * countries with which we could make a fair comparasion. (debatable) My point is going to be to state that no other **country in the world puts less value on human lives than does the US. **countries with which we should try to compare.

Suffice to say that the US won't be dicking around with Russia, North Korea, Pakistan, India, France, Israel, China, and the other club members anytime soon! And if Iran, then soon. Not later.

Sometimes it's just a matter of them not understanding due to still being precocious teenagers with their hormones acting up. It's temporary with most of them. Here's how to help them in the short term. http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=pictures+of+big+weapons&qpvt=pictures+of+big+weapons&FORM=IGRE It doesn't help in shutting them up but it does help them to say more and more stupid things!

It's been said that Americans don't value human life the way many other third world countries are known to do. A couple of examples quoted here: Americans kill their own people with lethal injections. Americans use lethal injections to kill that don't even work sometimes. Americans don't believe in their people having universal health care. Americans applaud their government for killing people in foreign lands for oil. Americans have given up more humanitarian methods of killing people such as machetes, in favour of Weapons of Mass Destruction. (the biggest and best in the world!) Americans kill their own people with their own guns in numbers that far eclipse other *countries. *countries which should be compared. (debateble) In fairness to Americans, they don't believe in killing a fetus and they don't believe in 'spilling the seed' because god is watching and considers it as self-abuse. Notwithstanding that they allow their infant mortality rate to remain the highest in the **world. **countries that should be compared. (debatable) So let's debate!

Excellent Big Guy! Here's a little bit of subtlety to go with it. They don't value human life the way we do. Arab mothers don't cry when their babies (some full grown) die. They eat dogs They eat cats They eat rats Many don't even have indoor plumbing! Now who needs a better reason to bomb them than that?