Is Dion the counterpart of Kerry?

[betsy]

Flipflop-wise?

"It took just one day for newly minted Liberal leader Stéphane Dion to flip flop on his first difficult issue – same sex marriage. In 1999, Stephane Dion voted in against same sex marriage. But yesterday Dion told reporters that same sex marriage was a fundamental human right.

Now Dion faces tough questions from his own caucus members -- will he allow Liberal MPs a free vote on whether to re-open the same sex marriage debate when it comes up in the House of Commons this week or whip his MPs into voting his way.

Dion’s comments this morning on CBC Newsworld would suggest he will pull out the whip: “It’s a matter It for the Party, the Party must speak with one voice.”

http://www.conservative.ca/EN/2459/62089

Of course Dion ended up leaving his party to vote with their conscience.

[guyser]

Flipflop-wise?

"It took just one day for newly minted Liberal leader Stéphane Dion to flip flop on his first difficult issue – same sex marriage. In 1999, Stephane Dion voted in against same sex marriage. But yesterday Dion told reporters that same sex marriage was a fundamental human right.

Now Dion faces tough questions from his own caucus members -- will he allow Liberal MPs a free vote on whether to re-open the same sex marriage debate when it comes up in the House of Commons this week or whip his MPs into voting his way.

Dion’s comments this morning on CBC Newsworld would suggest he will pull out the whip: “It’s a matter It for the Party, the Party must speak with one voice.”

http://www.conservative.ca/EN/2459/62089

Of course Dion ended up leaving his party to vote with their conscience.

Geez, the Conservatives really have read and follow the American right wing hand book. I did not realize just how much. Thanks for the link.

However. I have changed my views on some things since 1999. Maybe you have too.

Is it really that hard to believe someone else.....ahem....Dion......could have the same change of heart.

Maybe, just maybe he put aside his religious upbringing, his pre-concieved ideals for what marriage stands for, and did what is in the best interest of fairness and equality for this country.

Having this vote has garnered some respect for Harper out of me. Now if he would only be a little more transparent with the rest of his agenda.

Flip Flop......it 's just so..so....original .

Nope never seen that one before.

[jdobbin]

Flipflop-wise?

"It took just one day for newly minted Liberal leader Stéphane Dion to flip flop on his first difficult issue – same sex marriage. In 1999, Stephane Dion voted in against same sex marriage. But yesterday Dion told reporters that same sex marriage was a fundamental human right.

Now Dion faces tough questions from his own caucus members -- will he allow Liberal MPs a free vote on whether to re-open the same sex marriage debate when it comes up in the House of Commons this week or whip his MPs into voting his way.

Dion’s comments this morning on CBC Newsworld would suggest he will pull out the whip: “It’s a matter It for the Party, the Party must speak with one voice.”

http://www.conservative.ca/EN/2459/62089

Of course Dion ended up leaving his party to vote with their conscience.

Harper voted for the gun registry before he voted against it. Flip-flopper?

[BubberMiley]

Harper said he supported decriminalization of possession of up to five grams of weed, and then flip flopped.

But that's okay. Intelligent people change their minds all the time. That's because they are willing and able to think about issues and reconsider their positions. It's sad when people try and use people's reasoning skills against them for partisan purposes, just because they have no reasoning skills themselves.

[Shakeyhands]

Geez Betsy, this thread didn't go very well did it? Yikes.

Better luck next time!

[August1991]

Of course Dion ended up leaving his party to vote with their conscience.

What Dion said was that since it was only a motion of the House, without any impact on legislation, he would let the caucus decide individually.

That's a good thing, IMV. Canadians have a better idea about how their MPs view this issue.

[betsy]

Geez Betsy, this thread didn't go very well did it? Yikes.

Better luck next time!

I was just asking....

[jdobbin]

I was just asking....

Backing down? Is that a..flip flop!

[jbg]

Maybe, just maybe he put aside his religious upbringing, his pre-concieved ideals for what marriage stands for, and did what is in the best interest of fairness and equality for this country.

Or political correctness? Marriage is a government-created legal combination of two adults. This is encouraged for various public policy purposes, none of which are implicated in SSM; stable environment for biological children, prevention of disease, etc.

[cybercoma]

I don't think there's a problem flip-flopping if it's for the right reasons. When presented with new evidence, it's actually admirable to change positions and accept the facts. This type of thing may be considered a weakness to the religious types who are against SSM, since they believe in unwavering faith. But, in the rest of the world, being open-minded and changing positions when the evidence indicates you're wrong is admirable.

[cybercoma]

Maybe, just maybe he put aside his religious upbringing, his pre-concieved ideals for what marriage stands for, and did what is in the best interest of fairness and equality for this country.

Or political correctness? Marriage is a government-created legal combination of two adults. This is encouraged for various public policy purposes, none of which are implicated in SSM; stable environment for biological children, prevention of disease, etc.

The only instability for children in a SSM relationship is the bullcrap they have to put up with from religious zealots and bigots. The likeliness of catching a disease in a monogamous relationship is the same whether you're homosexual or straight.

And actually, one could even go out on a limb and say that those who have been oppressed by religion to believe they're wrong to have homosexual feelings are more likely to cheat on their heterosexual partners in a homosexual manner. And although male/male sexual intimacy makes it easier to catch aids, it doesn't make it the exclusive domain of homosexuals.

There is NO good reason to go into the private lives of people and tell them what two consenting adults can or cannot do in their bedroom.

If you deny it for homosexuals, why not deny it for people who mix religions? why not deny it for people who mix races? why not make a list of unacceptable sexual 'techniques'?

Denying homosexuals the right to live a monogamous married life with their partner is the same as doing any of the above.

[betsy]

I was just asking....

Backing down? Is that a..flip flop!

No. I don't know much about Dion.

Anyway Dion also changed his position overnight regarding his dual citizenship. Same week as he was going to "whip his party over SSM motion." 2 in one week. Impressive!

I'm waiting for the elections. That's when Kerry showed off with his flipflops!

[jdobbin]

Or political correctness? Marriage is a government-created legal combination of two adults. This is encouraged for various public policy purposes, none of which are implicated in SSM; stable environment for biological children, prevention of disease, etc.

So you think that children in a same sex marriage are unstable and have diseased parents? That's some opinion you have there, quite a liberal one, I might add.

[stignasty]

No. I don't know much about Dion.

Anyway Dion also changed his position overnight regarding his dual citizenship. Same week as he was going to "whip his party over SSM motion." 2 in one week. Impressive!

I'm waiting for the elections. That's when Kerry showed off with his flipflops!

Perhaps by then you can research to see if Dion was in the armed forces. If he was, you can use that against him too.

Is this really the Conservative plan for the election, or is Betsy just wishful thinking?

[jdobbin]

No. I don't know much about Dion.

Anyway Dion also changed his position overnight regarding his dual citizenship. Same week as he was going to "whip his party over SSM motion." 2 in one week. Impressive!

I'm waiting for the elections. That's when Kerry showed off with his flipflops!

Harper's flip flops are ever better. First he says no change in income trusts, then he says change to income trusts! Flip flop! Oh, this is fun!

[betsy]

No. I don't know much about Dion.

Anyway Dion also changed his position overnight regarding his dual citizenship. Same week as he was going to "whip his party over SSM motion." 2 in one week. Impressive!

I'm waiting for the elections. That's when Kerry showed off with his flipflops!

Harper's flip flops are ever better. First he says no change in income trusts, then he says change to income trusts! Flip flop! Oh, this is fun!

That's only one.

Dion's feat was two in one. Actually, not even one week. 2 in 5 business days!

You could say he must've been on a roll! All gungho!

[jdobbin]

That's only one.

Dion's feat was two in one. Actually, not even one week. 2 in 5 business days!

You could say he must've been on a roll! All gungho!

Let's go again then. Harper votes for the gun registry before he votes against it? Double flip flop! Oh joy!

[betsy]

That's only one.

Dion's feat was two in one. Actually, not even one week. 2 in 5 business days!

You could say he must've been on a roll! All gungho!

Let's go again then. Harper votes for the gun registry before he votes against it? Double flip flop! Oh joy!

Still...2 flipflops in 5 days?

And in just approx 7 days after being declared the leader!

What's this? Like he's making up for lost time?

I tell you, Dion is going for the Guiness record! That must be his agenda! Bwahahaha-ha-ha

[jbg]

Or political correctness? Marriage is a government-created legal combination of two adults. This is encouraged for various public policy purposes, none of which are implicated in SSM; stable environment for biological children, prevention of disease, etc.

So you think that children in a same sex marriage are unstable and have diseased parents? That's some opinion you have there, quite a liberal one, I might add.

No. My opinion is that we're embarking on a disastrous and un-thought-out experiment in how we create families and raise children. Children traditionally grew up with a male and female role model, each of which contributed different things. Now?????

[jdobbin]

Still...2 flipflops in 5 days?

And in just approx 7 days after being declared the leader!

What's this? Like he's making up for lost time?

I tell you, Dion is going for the Guiness record! That must be his agenda! Bwahahaha-ha-ha

Here's a flip flips in four days. Tueaday: RCMP Commissioner has Harper's support. Friday: Commissioner doesn't have Harper's support! Bwahahaha-ha-ha Flip flop!

Guiness record for sure!

[jdobbin]

No. My opinion is that we're embarking on a disastrous and un-thought-out experiment in how we create families and raise children. Children traditionally grew up with a male and female role model, each of which contributed different things. Now?????

Your opinion of disaster is not well thought out.

Some marriages caused more damage to children than if a woman or man raised their children alone. And even traditionally, a child was often raised by one parent when one of the parents died.

I'm sorry your traditional world doesn't include gay people either. I suppose you think their children should be taken away?

[sharkman]

You've got to admit, Dion is much closer to Kerry than Harper is to Stalin. Harper hasn't killed off a few million of Canadians, for instance.

[BubberMiley]

You've got to admit, Dion is much closer to Kerry than Harper is to Stalin. Harper hasn't killed off a few million of Canadians, for instance.

Is this debate really necessary?

[gc1765]

Flipflop-wise?

"It took just one day for newly minted Liberal leader Stéphane Dion to flip flop on his first difficult issue – same sex marriage. In 1999, Stephane Dion voted in against same sex marriage. But yesterday Dion told reporters that same sex marriage was a fundamental human right.

Who cares? I'd rather see someone realize that SSM is a "fundamental human right" later rather than never.

[sharkman]

Flipflop-wise?

"It took just one day for newly minted Liberal leader Stéphane Dion to flip flop on his first difficult issue – same sex marriage. In 1999, Stephane Dion voted in against same sex marriage. But yesterday Dion told reporters that same sex marriage was a fundamental human right.

Who cares? I'd rather see someone realize that SSM is a "fundamental human right" later rather than never.

You don't seem to realize a flopper can flop again, saying ssm is wrong.