Calling Some One a Racist or Bigot

[shavluk]

Basing your opinions off a posters old threads is just weak. Don't go into some one's old post and find something that contradicts themselves and bring it into that new post. It shows a willingness to be vindictive. It all goes back to the simply statement. "Show them why you are right, not why they are wrong."

-- quote someone oh well

Hahhaha Sorry but I live to throw peoples stupid asinine past comments that their Alzheimer's caused them to almost daringly leave for my detail filing mind to savor as I drop both barrels just for everyone elses unbridaled entertainment hahha

Give it to me baby !!(what song is that)

It is my joy ,,my savory scrumptious treat,,, and I love exposing puffed up wind bags the likes of which I must say I thankfully find growing wild here.

Extinct in my world after a good round of medical emergencies and miraculous herb healings.

Should have seen one when I told him that is was all Indo- Canadian blood that kept him alive in the operating room.

You people should embrace the ones you know I mean ,, as without their complete dense ignorance and cowardly discriminatory demeanor your site would become just too efficient at organizing and changing the world.

These silly sad greedy no humanistic types are really crying out just for acceptance like a small crying child and really don't mean to be seen as extinct DNA assimilating small dead animals and producing nothing except methane gas.

Call a mod someone practises the art of the slow educational mind burn ,, oowwwww call them.

Great site ,,,don't fix what ain't broken ,,we can handle our selves ,,well,,, some of us can.

Being a stupid person is different than being just an ignorant one.

Spock out

[Guest coot]

Speak for yourself Higgly, unless you own this forum Scot has everyright to his opinion. Your side hasn't won the war on gagging those who "YOU" deem Racists or bigots yet.

Once again, you're lost. The ones being gagged are the people calling others racist.

[ScottSA]

Once again, you're lost. The ones being gagged are the people calling others racist.

That's why she says Higgy hasn't won the war, I suspect. Nothing lost about that.

QUOTE(Moxie @ Oct 7 2007, 04:29 PM)

Speak for yourself Higgly, unless you own this forum Scot has everyright to his opinion. Your side hasn't won the war on gagging those who "YOU" deem Racists or bigots yet.

I personally don't think anyone should be gagged for anything, including calling people racist, since its such a meaningless phrase. It carries about as much intellectual weight as calling someone a poopoohead, but there's the rub; If I can be called a racist, I ought to be able to call Higgy a poopoohead back, but everytime I do, s/he tattles. So it seems the solution is one of two things: either allow people to call other people names, or disallow namecalling entirely, which is what Greg did. Now I can't call Higgly a poopoohead and Higgly can't call me a racist. Apparently some folks are upset because now the playing field is level instead of weighted in their favour.

[capricorn]

This forum runs the gamut from being extremely comical to thought provoking. I find all posts interesting regardless of the political leanings of the contributors.

I don't categorize anyone here as racist, bigoted, uneducated, uninformed or flippant. It's not in my nature. Although I have my own prejudices, biases, and shortcomings, I try to read every post with an open mind. I contribute to a limited number ot threads but I read 90% of all of them and have learned a lot this way.

We are fortunate to have moderators who allow such leeway that we may speak openly with as little censure as they can possibly tolerate.

The one thing that really annoys me is when a poster tells another forum member to go away or disappear from this board. As a forum member, I have no right to say who is or is not allowed to speak here. If I had a serious beef with a particular poster, I would not call out the person publicly. I would PM one of the mods to make my case.

So keep it coming, I'm listening.

[stignasty]

I am with both t-bud and AW on this, rules, since we have them ,are not enforced in an across the board kind of manner. AW is correct, a poster can sit here and call for genocide and mass killings/deportations, but don't dare point out the inherent racism in doing that? Is this a joke?

I rarely post here because the moderators seem to have a high threshold for the "We pay while Indians live in luxury" type of threads. This warning to avoid criticizing these posts is just the icing on the cake.

[ScottSA]

Yes, and generalizing a whole tribe of people and calling them sneaky buggers is racism.

Calling a global religion a "tribe" is racism too, but I'll try not to be offended. However, the thread in question concerns several sneaky bugger conspirators, not a "tribe."

[ScottSA]

I rarely post here because the moderators seem to have a high threshold for the "We pay while Indians live in luxury" type of threads. This warning to avoid criticizing these posts is just the icing on the cake.

That's soooo archetypically Canadian. Anything outside the comfort zone of polite society is to be avoided at all costs. When a race-based thuggocracy is milking the Canadian government dry and openly flaunting the law while their "people" descend into pan-drunkeness and drug use, you'd prefer we behave with tea cozy politeness, and discuss instead the supposed evils our great great grandfathers did to their great great grandfathers, as if that has the slightest relevance to Caledonia. I can just see someone with this mindset in a cottage on the French side of the Ardennes, politely greeting the blitzkreig: "excuse me Mr. Guderian, but would you mind veering your very pretty Panzers a bit to the left to avoid my flowerbeds? I know you're angry, and you have good reason to be I'm sure, but you're scaring the birds. Not that you mean to of course..."

BTW, where exactly is Greg's warning not to criticize the posts? I must have missed it.

[Guest coot]

Now I can't call Higgly a poopoohead and Higgly can't call me a racist. Apparently some folks are upset because now the playing field is level instead of weighted in their favour.

The difference, of course, is you would have nothing to back up your claim about the constitution of Higgly's head. You don't know him, nor have you sampled his brain matter. You have nothing to go on but pure speculation. In terms of calling you a racist, however, one often needn't click beyond the thread title to have ample evidence for that claim.

[Guest coot]

Now I can't call Higgly a poopoohead and Higgly can't call me a racist. Apparently some folks are upset because now the playing field is level instead of weighted in their favour.

The difference, of course, is you would have nothing to back up your claim about the constitution of Higgly's head. You don't know him, nor have you sampled his brain matter. You have nothing to go on but pure speculation. In terms of calling you a racist, however, one often needn't click beyond the thread title to have ample evidence for that claim.

[ScottSA]

The difference, of course, is you would have nothing to back up your claim about the constitution of Higgly's head. You don't know him, nor have you sampled his brain matter. You have nothing to go on but pure speculation. In terms of calling you a racist, however, one often needn't click beyond the thread title to have ample evidence for that claim.

The difference is that while I don't know the composition of Higgly's head, he presumably DOES know the definition of "racist," which is as I understand it someone who believes in the superiority of one race over another; a concept I have variously called "silly," "foolish," and "ridiculous." So in a sense you're right - whereas I don't know if I'm correct in calling Higgly a "poopoohead", he does know he's wrong in calling me a racist. Not that I mind being called a racist or anything, but thanks for clarifying that.

[jennie]

That's soooo archetypically Canadian. Anything outside the comfort zone of polite society is to be avoided at all costs. When a race-based thuggocracy is milking the Canadian government dry and openly flaunting the law while their "people" descend into pan-drunkeness and drug use, you'd prefer we behave with tea cozy politeness, and discuss instead the supposed evils our great great grandfathers did to their great great grandfathers, as if that has the slightest relevance to Caledonia.

Making statements like this with no evidence to back up the assertions is hateful.

Greg, I think what people are saying in response to this topic is that posts like scott's poison a board.

People don't want to be associated with those views. In my opinion it is my responsibility to label such posts as undesirable. There are boards for posts like his. It comes down to whether the rules for this "mapleleaf" are consistent with majority Canadian values where denigration of a group of people is unacceptable.

I know I am looking for some clarification of that.

Edited October 9, 2007 by jennie

[bush_cheney2004]

Making statements like this with no evidence to back up the assertions is hateful.

Greg, I think what people are saying in response to this topic is that posts like scott's poison a board.

People don't want to be associated with those views. In my opinion it is my responsibility to label such posts as undesirable. There are boards for posts like his. It comes down to whether the rules for this "mapleleaf" are consistent with majority Canadian values where denigration of a group of people is unacceptable.

I know I am looking for some clarification of that.

No, that is outright censorship, and far worse than any member's alleged transgression. It is not the majority Canadian values that need protecting, unless you happen to be related to Jerry Falwell of the North. The solution for offending speech of any variety is simply more "free" speech.

[Guest American Woman]

No, that is outright censorship, and far worse than any member's alleged transgression. It is not the majority Canadian values that need protecting, unless you happen to be related to Jerry Falwell of the North. The solution for offending speech of any variety is simply more "free" speech.

This board doesn't claim to be a "free speech board." It claims to be a board with rules.

[ScottSA]

This board doesn't claim to be a "free speech board." It claims to be a board with rules.

Rules you apparently don't like.

[ScottSA]

Making statements like this with no evidence to back up the assertions is hateful.

Ok, you asked for it:

Data from the National Household Survey on Drug Abuse (National Institute, 1989) show that about 50 percent of all U.S. adolescents have used alcohol. The comparable figure for American Indian and Alaskan Native youth ("Native youth" hereafter) is approximately 80 percent (Beauvais, Oetting, & Wolf, 1989). Early experimentation with alcohol and drugs places Native youth, in particular, at risk for serious problems.

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:6oaz2F...;cd=5&gl=ca

"It is time Indian People rejected alcohol, not because some Indians develop alcohol problems and alcoholism, but because alcohol is a symbol of efforts to exploit and destroy us as a people. It is time Indian People rejected alcohol because it is not part of our nature. …We will destroy the "Drunken Indian" stereotype with every sober breath we take. We will call upon Indian nations and Indian families to detoxify themselves from the poison that was injected into their histories. We will sweat this poison from our bodies and our minds and rediscover the essence of ourselves as Indian People." http://www.whitebison.org/donate/book.htm

The need for a concerted attack on the native alcohol problem has been acknowledged by all governments and agencies who have been involved in past efforts in this area. Native leaders have increasingly called for greater assistance.

http://www.sicc.sk.ca/saskindian/a75dec13.htm

Abstract: American Indian/Alaska Natives have high rates of alcohol-related arrests and are overrepresented in justice systems. To understand the relationship between alcohol dependence, treatment, and alcoholrelated incarceration, this study queried American Indian/Alaska Natives currently in remission from alcohol dependence. Participants reported receiving 0 to 43 treatment experiences. Moreover, participants had a significantly greater number of alcohol-related incarcerations than all other treatments combined. These findings underline the importance of making alcohol treatment available within criminal justice settings. http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/custo...;accno=EJ746896

I could go on at length, and we both know it. You see jennie, just because a fact is unpleasant doesn't mean it's not a fact. Indian "leaders" are the only people who benefit from this Canadian government teat scam they've managed to set up. The "people" they claim to represent are the losers, robbed of prospects, hope, and a sense of worth, while being told they have to "preserve" a culture that doesn't come close to the culture they are supposed to be preserving. Burning sweetgrass and chanting around campfires in a sylvan wilderness is idyllic and cute, but when they go home to a whitey house with a whitey refrigerator and a whitey healthcare system if the get sick, and a whitey snowmobile or whitey car, or even leverage traditional whale hunts with whitey firepower, it makes a mockery of the alleged culture. A stoneage culture is not one worth preserving in anything like it's original form, which is why no one tries. And the strongmen who run things know it very well, but they also know their money ticket is to pretend, and to howl "racism" at everyone who points to the farce. Which is, I suppose, why you are doing the same thing.

[scribblet]

Obviously overt attempts to shutting down oppposing opinions.

[Black Dog]

I want to clarify the rules on insults. Lately a few forum members have resorted to calling other forum members "racists" and or "bigots" in response to certain opinions.

Yeah: racist opinions. Sounds like you've swallowed the "racist is a term for shutting down debate" Kool-Aid.

This board has been sinking like a stone for a while now, but this is surely the nadir.

[ScottSA]

Yeah: racist opinions. Sounds like you've swallowed the "racist is a term for shutting down debate" Kool-Aid.

As opposed to the "criticizing anything other than whitebread christian society is racism" kool aid?

[Black Dog]

As opposed to the "criticizing anything other than whitebread christian society is racism" kool aid?

Please provide the citation for that quote. I never wrote it, and I've never seen it. In fact, I'm pretty sure you pulled it out of your ass.

[ScottSA]

Please provide the citation for that quote. I never wrote it, and I've never seen it. In fact, I'm pretty sure you pulled it out of your ass.

Oh look. Pottymouth.

[Black Dog]

Oh look. Pottymouth.

Still waiting for that cite for that quotation.

[ScottSA]

Still waiting for that cite for that quotation.

Shhh....wait quietly.

[shavluk]

Hi Darkone

Sadly this type of member is what half the population composes.

Some of us are much saner and welcome your comments.

[Higgly]

Yeah: racist opinions. Sounds like you've swallowed the "racist is a term for shutting down debate" Kool-Aid.

This board has been sinking like a stone for a while now, but this is surely the nadir.

With the number of posts you've got, it's hard to believe you missed the "Let's all hate Muslims" phase. Things have improved considerably since then. Well at least for those of use who are not "Rue approved".

[geoffrey]

I think that's a pretty simplistic way of viewing terrorism. It's kind of like saying that the IRA planted bombs in the name of Christ.

There is no parallel between Islamic extremists and the IRA.