jbg Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 Elaborate please? You brought the Middle East into this. Where is the hypocrisy?The same people who devote reams of print denouncing (democratic) Israel for supposedly suppressing the "Palestinians" can spare maybe a platitude or two for China's romp over Tibet. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Higgly Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 The same people who devote reams of print denouncing (democratic) Israel for supposedly suppressing the "Palestinians" can spare maybe a platitude or two for China's romp over Tibet. Could it be we have an attempted thread highjacking here? JBG, if you want to talk about Tibet, then start a thread on the subject. If you want to talk about Israel and the Palestinians, then start a thread on that. On the other hand, you could start another one like this one where you talk about both! But unless you want to talk about Burma, then stay the hell out of this thread! Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
jennie Posted October 10, 2007 Author Report Posted October 10, 2007 Could it be we have an attempted thread highjacking here? JBG, if you want to talk about Tibet, then start a thread on the subject. If you want to talk about Israel and the Palestinians, then start a thread on that. On the other hand, you could start another one like this one where you talk about both! But unless you want to talk about Burma, then stay the hell out of this thread! I heard today that some Hollywood types are uniting in support of Burmese monks. Quote If you are claiming a religious exemption from the hate law, please say so up front. If you have no religious exemption, please keep hateful thoughts to yourself. Thank you. MY Canada includes Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
Higgly Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 We'll see how long they can keep this on the front pages. Burma always plays this game. Severe repression until the world press turns its attention to the next bright shiney thing. This is such a sphere of influence thing, isn't it? We have the big boys (the US, China, to some extent India) running the shop in their own spheres. The small Asian states are not going to raise too much of a fuss because they are afraid of upsetting China, with whom they now are doing major business. So many of them are supping out of the Chinese rice bowl. Same can be said over here with the US. Look at Steve. The US is not willing to muster enough clout to get the Burmese Junta to change their ways, no doubt because they don't enough payback to compensate for the Chinese reaction. The Thais are not going to raise too much of a stink. How can they finger point when Thailand is now (again) being run by a military junta itself after another of its many, many military coups? At least in Thailand the coups are relatively peaceful. The previous junta was forced to call elections after rioting forced their hand. We'll see if the same happens this time or whether the Thai junta takes a page out of Burma's book. The Thais have to worry about the tourist trade, so they would tend to be less brutal, perhaps. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
jbg Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 (edited) Could it be we have an attempted thread highjacking here? JBG, if you want to talk about Tibet, then start a thread on the subject. If you want to talk about Israel and the Palestinians, then start a thread on that. On the other hand, you could start another one like this one where you talk about both! But unless you want to talk about Burma, then stay the hell out of this thread!Could it be you're ducking a tough question? My point is that Burmese monks (if you want to talk about them) will get far less sustained attention than "Palestinian" thugs. I guess that they aren't "indigineous" enough. Or maybe the fact that the Burmese monks aren't hostile to Western interests doesn't qualify them for special UN help. Or else why doesn't the UN provide for these monks to strap bombs on themselves and blow themselves up in Yangon?Are you happy? I changed the focus to the likely attention wander from Tibetan monks to Palestinian monks. Just for you. I'm not silent on the Tibetan issue either (link). Edited October 10, 2007 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Higgly Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 reported for thread highjacking Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
ScottSA Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 reported for thread highjacking Reported for being a little Napoleon. Quote
ScottSA Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 Could it be you're ducking a tough question? My point is that Burmese monks (if you want to talk about them) will get far less sustained attention than "Palestinian" thugs. I guess that they aren't "indigineous" enough. Or maybe the fact that the Burmese monks aren't hostile to Western interests doesn't qualify them for special UN help. Or else why doesn't the UN provide for these monks to strap bombs on themselves and blow themselves up in Yangon?Are you happy? I changed the focus to the likely attention wander from Tibetan monks to Palestinian monks. Just for you. I'm not silent on the Tibetan issue either (link). Yes, the Tibetan issue is usually dealt with by a few granola crunchers bravely attaching "Free Tibet" bumper stickers to their minivans and smoking a self-satisfied joint. The Palestinian issue, however, is responsible for the global Jihad, even when schoolgirls get their heads lopped off in Pakistan by Islamic thugs who in all probability have never heard of Israel except for abstract thundering from the local mosque about pigs n' apes. Bit of a hypocrisy, eh wot? Quote
buffycat Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 This thread is about Burma. Not Tibet. Not Palestine. Can you guys ever stay on topic?? (don'[t bother answering that - as I already know the answer). WRT Burma, I'm not sure that much will change there. India and China don't seem to want to rock the boat - afterall this is all about access to a land's resources, which sadly is something that occurs all over the place (Just the names are changed). The rape of South America, Latin America, South Pacific will continue - it's just business ain't it? Why would any country want to control their own resources? I mean the gall of them!! Democracy? Freedom? Catchwords - for the rich to exploit the poor. It's South America redux. Canada isn't going to do anything either - too many mining interests (just like Africa), and of course most of the public is blissfully unaware of the evils committed by our own - too much beer and hockey I guess. Quote "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind" ~ Ghandi
ScottSA Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 Very astute buffy. Beer and hockey. Thanks so much for the insight. Quote
M.Dancer Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 This thread is about Burma, not Palestine or Tibet but perhaps it is about India and China, South America, latin America, South Pacific and South America again. Canada even. And Africa. This thread is about just about everywhere in the known world..... .......except Tibet. Or Palestine. Where they don't even play hockey. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
ScottSA Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 What's this thread about again? Oh, right. Beer and hockey. Quote
Higgly Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 Very astute buffy. Beer and hockey. Thanks so much for the insight. This thread is about Burma, not Palestine or Tibet but perhaps it is about India and China, South America, latin America, South Pacific and South America again. Canada even. And Africa. This thread is about just about everywhere in the known world............except Tibet. Or Palestine. Where they don't even play hockey. Amazing how much trolling there is from the right wing on this thread. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
buffycat Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 Very astute buffy. Beer and hockey. Thanks so much for the insight. You're welcome ScottSA, anytime... Now, any thoughts on Burma? What about Canadian companies who do business with the Junta? How should we address that issue? You DO know that Canadian companies pilfer don't you? (Or have you been drinking beer and watching hockey -- hoooyaaaa). Quote "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind" ~ Ghandi
M.Dancer Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 You're welcome ScottSA, anytime... Now, any thoughts on Burma? What about Canadian companies who do business with the Junta? How should we address that issue? You DO know that Canadian companies pilfer don't you? (Or have you been drinking beer and watching hockey -- hoooyaaaa). Canadian trade with Burma is just about non-existant. We sell less than $140,000 to Burma and buy less than 9 million form them. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
buffycat Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 Canadian trade with Burma is just about non-existant. We sell less than $140,000 to Burma and buy less than 9 million form them. cite??? Quote "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind" ~ Ghandi
M.Dancer Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 cite??? In addition, while many of the world's least developed countries currently enjoy tariff-free trade with Canada as part of its aid efforts, Burma is not exempt. Still, that hasn't prevented trade between Canada and Burma. According to the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade, Canada exported $139,000 worth of goods–mainly medicine and medical supplies–to the country last year. In return, Burmese exports to Canada totalled more than $8.4 million, primarily in fish and shrimp, diamonds and other precious stones, and clothing, including winter coats and brassieres. Site Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
buffycat Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 Site Thank you. From the article above - it is sated that these sanctions do NOT go far enough. So - do YOU agree with increasing the pressure by using boycotts? divestment? What do you see Dancer as a method for pressure? Quote "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind" ~ Ghandi
M.Dancer Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 Thank you.From the article above - it is sated that these sanctions do NOT go far enough. So - do YOU agree with increasing the pressure by using boycotts? divestment? What do you see Dancer as a method for pressure? I think that any increase in trade sanctions will be symbolic only as our trade with them is miniscule given they export in the range of 3.56 billion US.....and I'm sure that given our exports to them are mainly medical, if we forbid trade one way they will close the door the other. If economic pressure is a method then it is for Thailand and China to apply it. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Higgly Posted October 10, 2007 Report Posted October 10, 2007 I'd say a little pressure on China and Thailand would help. I also think a little pressure on Sigapore would do some good as well since they're selling military technology to the Junta. Singapore does quite a bit of business with Burma. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 11, 2007 Report Posted October 11, 2007 I'd say a little pressure on China and Thailand would help. I also think a little pressure on Sigapore would do some good as well since they're selling military technology to the Junta. Singapore does quite a bit of business with Burma. Go for it Canada....squeeze 'em really good...starting with that Ivanhoe joint venture copper mine ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
M.Dancer Posted October 11, 2007 Report Posted October 11, 2007 Go for it Canada....squeeze 'em really good...starting with that Ivanhoe joint venture copper mine ! They have pulled out. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Higgly Posted October 11, 2007 Report Posted October 11, 2007 They have pulled out. I guess they learned the Talisman lesson Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
jbg Posted October 11, 2007 Report Posted October 11, 2007 This thread is about Burma. Not Tibet. Not Palestine. Can you guys ever stay on topic?? (don'[t bother answering that - as I already know the answer).There is nothing wrong with pointing out intellectual inconsistency. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Black Dog Posted October 11, 2007 Report Posted October 11, 2007 There is nothing wrong with pointing out intellectual inconsistency. It would help if your observations were at leats remotely grounded in reality. But your claim that the same people who trumpet the Palestinain cause ignore or even tacitly approve of Chian's occupation of Tibet or Burma's military regime is absurd on its face. It's just another cas eof you repeating a falsehood over and over in hopes it assumes the status of fact (much like your old saw about "Islam gets a free pass fom the media"). Quote
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