ALL CANNABIS CANADIANS VOTE GREEN

[kengs333]

There is absolutely ,,,NO ,, NONE ,,,NO proof anyone working that ferry were smoking cannabis and I find all that crap very distasteful ,,,don't like that well ,,oh well

To me its like saying black men sink ferry's and there were some on board ,,bullshit!

Yes there is; drug use was commonplace among most of the crew members.

The way you feel about alcohol tells every thing to me and mine and really there is no point in any discussion with you until you lose the sanctimonious hangups and inhibitions you seem to have.

You're not one to be telling people what they can and cannot discuss--on this thread, board, or anywhere else. Given everything that you've written, linked; given the fact that you are a shameless illegal drug advocate and no doubt drug addict; given the fact that you go around here attacking and antagonising anyone and everyone; you are the one who should be censoring themself more often--not me.

[kengs333]

Keng333

I want to point out something for you. I could not really care about the joint you smoked last monght. But I will care about that joint you smoked just before you got in the drivers seat. I think slaps upside the head for anyone who drives drunk or stoned. I even deserve a few myself.

What's a "monght"?

Simple question. Do you drive stoned? If so, how often?

What exactly is the basis for this question? Where did I ever state that I take drugs, smoke pot...????

[Guest coot]

Here is four guys killed by the results of the marijuana industry and drug use:

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2...e-rcmp-grp-.jpg

Four guys killed by the criminalization of marijuana. They wouldn't have been killed if it weren't criminalized. You make a very good point.

[Guest coot]

The fact of the matter is that alcohol should be illegal as well, because it is just as bad or worse than some illegal drugs (but not most). The problem is when alcohol is made illegal, the homebrew stuff that starts to be sold on the black market tends to be considerably more dangerous. That's the sad fact of the matter.

And yet you still think it should be illegal? So you are willing to sacrifice people's safety and feed organized crime for what? To institute or maintain policies that clearly do not work? Arguments in favour of criminalization are beginning to sound like its proponents are on drugs.

[Guest trex]

Four guys killed by the criminalization of marijuana. They wouldn't have been killed if it weren't criminalized. You make a very good point.

As I recall those officers were there to arrest that crazy man, had nothing to do with marijuana but something else. He was a well-known violent individual in his neighbourhood, who among other things had been involved in some kind of truck theft racket. This was the reason they approached his property that day to detain him, not for marijuana. The police did not know there was a grow-op on his property before they arrived, it was coincidental.

[Guest coot]

But it's a good indication of how desperate the arguments to maintain criminalization have gotten. I find it odd that people would argue to maintain the legal structure that allows creeps like him to make a living, and bizarrely try and use that as a reason to maintain the status quo.

[kengs333]

But it's a good indication of how desperate the arguments to maintain criminalization have gotten. I find it odd that people would argue to maintain the legal structure that allows creeps like him to make a living, and bizarrely try and use that as a reason to maintain the status quo.

I'm not sure just where things are getting "desperate" on my side of the argument. When I (try) to read shavluk's posts, his ramblings about druggies being victims, how all illegal drugs should be made legal so it would reduce the populations of prisons, that's where I see desperation. He makes any argument he can possibly think of no matter how tenuous or bankrupt in an effort to further his cause, to make his addictions and degraded habits legal. These drugs kill, whether legal or illegal. If they were to become legal, then their usage would become much more widespread; more lives would be lost, more live would be ruined. Society would suffer. The fact that someone would kill over drugs is no reason why certain drugs should be legalized; it underscores the fact that they need to be kept illegal; if not, then we have umpteen times more people like him deranged and desperate to feed their addictions.

[Guest trex]

Multiple Sclerosis, arthritis, Irritable bowel/ Crones disease, anti-inflammatory, anti-depressant, the list of possibilities goes on and on. In some cases, its the only medicine that helps when side-effects from pharmaceuticals become too dangerous. There has barely been enough research on what this plant can do for us. Many people with serious disease have to depend on the black market to get them cannabis, with all the trappings of dealing with gangsters, criminality, questionable product and excessive high prices and low availability. The government marijuana license is too hard to obtain and requires a lot of paperwork and wait time, and the license has to be renewed so frequently, again with wait time. This is not how to treat seriously ill patients.

[shavluk]

She isn't worth it and by her statement "deranged' I guess we are now free to name call in her gutter.

I plan on just leaving her by the side of the road as extinct DNA and just tooooo ignorant for my tastes.

But hey if you guys want to play her ,,these are her buttons, people having more fun than her and probably sex as well maybe mention her probable virginity. hahha

I was just going to pretend even and explain to her my sexual appetites and experiences with legal drugs because I know even that would be tooo much for her Mrs Kravitz persona and have her continuing to bark here but even louder. hahhha

Have fun as I am no masochist.

Kick it around a bit the lumps will get to you eventually as well.

Cant teach an old dog new tricks may be right.

[shavluk]

Here's an interesting Canadian article about Impairment Testing vs Drug Testing...

Reactions Toward Drug Testing and Impairment Testing Programs

Written by: Grace O'Farrell and Gerard H. Seijts

The Canadian Psychological Association, Performance Network presents psychologists as speakers and facilitators for professional development. The CPA also provides a unique resource to organizations to assist them with improving individual, group, and organizational behavior. Visit http://www.cpa.ca/ or contact [email protected]

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To date, little is known regarding perceptions of impairment testing. This paper discusses six specific problems associated with drug testing programs. Second, it discusses impairment testing as a potential alternative to drug testing in reducing counterproductive behavior in the workplace. Third, the paper provides details regarding recent research on this topic that Grace O'Farrell and Gerard H. Seijts conducted. The authors also investigated perceptions of labor-relations experts and drivers of public transportation vehicles toward drug testing and impairment testing policies.

http://www.hrpao.org/HRPAO/HRResourceCentr...ng+Programs.htm

[shavluk]

Heres one for some of you hypocritical types.

Cop on coke case cracked wide open

Judge lifts publication ban on court exhibits

By TONY BLAIS, COURT BUREAU

Freedom of the press and upholding the openness of the Canadian court system has trumped the privacy issues of a cocaine-addicted former undercover RCMP officer.

An Edmonton judge yesterday vacated a publication ban issued in an ongoing drug trafficking case and granted Sun Media access to exhibits in the proceeding.

Included in the court documents was information confirming former RCMP Const. Steve Gillespie was addicted to crack cocaine while working as an undercover officer for the Integrated Response to Organized Crime unit.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2...606917-sun.html

Any thoughts?

[old_bold&cold]

Well I can not see where there needs to be much thought. This officer broke the law for which we gave him the right to uphold it. His addiction should be treated and then he should be fired from the job and sentenced accordingly for his illegal actions.

Are you saying because he is a police officer that we should go easy on him? That would be wrong, and if anything the fact that he did this while being a police officer should make his sentence even longer then others caught for the same crime.

It in no way leads me to think that we should make any of this legal, but you definitely do not see things the same way as most people, now do you?

[Hydraboss]

Yeah. That cop shouldn't be a cop, and he should've had his ass thrown in jail for possession.

[kengs333]

Any thoughts?

Yeah, I think the fact that there are TWENTY or so spaces between some of your lines is unnecessary.

[shavluk]

Well I can not see where there needs to be much thought. This officer broke the law for which we gave him the right to uphold it. His addiction should be treated and then he should be fired from the job and sentenced accordingly for his illegal actions.

Are you saying because he is a police officer that we should go easy on him? That would be wrong, and if anything the fact that he did this while being a police officer should make his sentence even longer then others caught for the same crime.

It in no way leads me to think that we should make any of this legal, but you definitely do not see things the same way as most people, now do you?

3 to 1 odds he doesn't do any time.

Same as the Delta fireman up the road from me as his union is handling the little details golfing with the judge hahha

(big space for my sycophant)

scroll by lady nothing to see here for you hahhaha

and his bust was valued at only one third of what it would have been valued at as a so called bikers,,,,,, check yourselves

Adding spaces ,,,,carry on

Just cant save them all Johnny

You just cant educate the educated.

Some are above all that stuff ,,truth is so dirty and hurts so much.......

I and my team of comrades will win ,,,,,,Watch!

[shavluk]

Marijuana Ingredient May Prevent Mad Cow Disease

Cannabidiol May be Effective in Preventing Bovine Spongiforme Enzephalopathy (Mad Cow Disease)

BBSNews 2007-09-16 -- (IACM) According to basic research of scientists of the National Centre for Scientific Research in Valbonne, France, cannabidiol (CBD) may prevent the development of prion diseases, the most known being BSE (bovine spongiforme enzephalopathy), which is often called mad cow disease. It is believed that the BSE may be transmitted to human beings. In humans, it is known as Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.

http://bbsnews.net/article.php/20070916110536662

Chew on this one for a while Beef eaters.

Or bull flingers hahhahaha

[buffycat]

Heres one for some of you hypocritical types.

Cop on coke case cracked wide open

Judge lifts publication ban on court exhibits

By TONY BLAIS, COURT BUREAU

Freedom of the press and upholding the openness of the Canadian court system has trumped the privacy issues of a cocaine-addicted former undercover RCMP officer.

An Edmonton judge yesterday vacated a publication ban issued in an ongoing drug trafficking case and granted Sun Media access to exhibits in the proceeding.

Included in the court documents was information confirming former RCMP Const. Steve Gillespie was addicted to crack cocaine while working as an undercover officer for the Integrated Response to Organized Crime unit.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2...606917-sun.html

Any thoughts?

Hello Shavluk,

This is a sad occurance which happens far more often than many realize - especially with those officers forced to work undercover in the narcotics units. It is also another face of prohibition and the 'unintended' consequences of our drug laws. While prohibition attempts (unsuccessfully) to change social behaviours - in real life it tends to lead to corruption of public officials and the creation of a huge black market and its necessary criminal elements.

LEAP

[Guest coot]

These drugs kill, whether legal or illegal. If they were to become legal, then their usage would become much more widespread; more lives would be lost, more live would be ruined. Society would suffer. The fact that someone would kill over drugs is no reason why certain drugs should be legalized; it underscores the fact that they need to be kept illegal; if not, then we have umpteen times more people like him deranged and desperate to feed their addictions.

Your argument is based on two premises, both of which are untrue. Marijuana does not "kill." Perhaps getting behind the wheel of a car while blasted could lead to carnage, but that is irresponsible use, which I agree should be criminalized. Outlawing simple possession because of the irresponsible actions of a few makes no sense, considering many other mind-altering products are just as dangerous and readily available.

Your argument that people will kill for the drugs is also just a result of criminalization, in that the black market has artificially raised the prices of these substances so they are exhorbitant and users must resort to theft to get some. It is a sad fact of criminalization that there are many victims of crime that result from prohibition.

Your argument that more people would use the drug if it were illegal is unfounded. Where did you get this idea? I think access to weed is easier under the present laws than it would be if it were regulated. Today, kids can buy it in school because criminalization promotes a black market that will sell to anyone. No one who wants to buy weed ever has to worry about doing without. It's readily available, 24/7, with nothing preventing them. If it were legal tomorrow, would you start smoking dope? I know I wouldn't, and my reasons for abstaining have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that it's illegal.

The law may actually encourage youngsters to smoke it because of its cool "outlaw" (and yet paradoxically victimless) status, but the law has totally failed to prevent anyone from doing anything.

[shavluk]

Hello Shavluk,

This is a sad occurance which happens far more often than many realize - especially with those officers forced to work undercover in the narcotics units. It is also another face of prohibition and the 'unintended' consequences of our drug laws. While prohibition attempts (unsuccessfully) to change social behaviours - in real life it tends to lead to corruption of public officials and the creation of a huge black market and its necessary criminal elements.

LEAP

Hi Buffycat

Are you THEE Buffycat ?

must be as it not a common handle in which case good to see you again.

here it feels like I'm Hansel of Gretel fame sometimes as I walk through here,,,Yes mam I wont try and have a good time on your watch, hahhaha

edited to take out that horrible obscene rude disrespectful true statement about my new favorite member,hahahhahahaha

not you Buff I mean the one running around that is by its own name over 2 thirds short of a full load

shavluk100%

Edited October 27, 2007 by shavluk

[shavluk]

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/200...609163-sun.html

Ole George Bush Pharmaceuticals here ?,,,,, HE IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST SHAREHOLDERS

_________________________________

Oxy, Oxygen, M&Ms, 80s, Oxycotton.

Killer.

The drug sweeping London's downtown streets, workplaces and suburbs goes by many nicknames.

But it has one effect on police, civic officials, social service and health-care workers, users and those dealing in drug subculture -- alarm.

And it's ravaging London like few other cities in the province, police say.

A $3.7-million, five-year plan to combat substance abuse will be unveiled at city hall Monday.

"It is the drug of this city right now," said Sgt. David MacDonald, head of one of the police's two street drug units.

The opioid called oxycodone is so powerful, so easy to get and so hard to kick, it's fueling crime, ravaging the vulnerable, and turning ordinary middle-class citizens into sellers and buyers.

What makes it tough to tackle is the source. It's not made in makeshift labs, grown in basements or shipped in from other countries. Most comes from London doctors' offices, then gets 'diverted' to the underworld.

Edited October 27, 2007 by shavluk

[Moxie]

I just finished reading an article in the Chronicle Herald, it appears a man got his son hooked on pot at the age of eight. To help pay for their pot habit he tought the kid to steal, wow what role models these pot parents are.

Make it legal, nope. I've seen pot heads stoned, I don't want them driving or parenting kids under the influence. It's a crime for a reason, the drug inhibits the brains normal functions. Long term use turns pot heads into drooling veggies. No child should be exposed to a parent that does pot in their presense, at least go out side and get stoned. Doing it in front of children encourages kids to smoke that poison, in my book it's child abuse and the child should be removed from the home.

[Guest coot]

Negligent, irresponsible parenting is already illegal. I agree people shouldn't let kids have pot. That's why I'm opposed to the present legal structure that facilitates the black market to flourish and expand even into elementary schools. Just as prostitution laws allow child prostitution to grow because it forces the trade to exist in an unregulated, criminal environment, drug laws make it easier and more attractive for kids to get into drugs.

If you were really concerned about children, you would be fighting the status quo

[shavluk]

I just finished reading an article in the Chronicle Herald, it appears a man got his son hooked on pot at the age of eight. To help pay for their pot habit he tought the kid to steal, wow what role models these pot parents are.

Make it legal, nope. I've seen pot heads stoned, I don't want them driving or parenting kids under the influence. It's a crime for a reason, the drug inhibits the brains normal functions. Long term use turns pot heads into drooling veggies. No child should be exposed to a parent that does pot in their presense, at least go out side and get stoned. Doing it in front of children encourages kids to smoke that poison, in my book it's child abuse and the child should be removed from the home.

hahhahhahaa THE LINK PLEASE ?????

IF IT ISNT POSTED THIS ONE IS JUST ANOTHER SHIT DISTURBER AND NOT WORTH RESPONDING TO

[GostHacked]

I just finished reading an article in the Chronicle Herald, it appears a man got his son hooked on pot at the age of eight. To help pay for their pot habit he tought the kid to steal, wow what role models these pot parents are.

Make it legal, nope. I've seen pot heads stoned, I don't want them driving or parenting kids under the influence. It's a crime for a reason, the drug inhibits the brains normal functions. Long term use turns pot heads into drooling veggies. No child should be exposed to a parent that does pot in their presense, at least go out side and get stoned. Doing it in front of children encourages kids to smoke that poison, in my book it's child abuse and the child should be removed from the home.

What about alcohol? I would consider it child abuse as well. And I would not call pot poison. Quite the opposite.

[Guest coot]

It's a crime for a reason, the drug inhibits the brains normal functions. Long term use turns pot heads into drooling veggies.

Actually, if you had a clue what you are talking about, you would find that the brain has been designed to receive pot. With further research, you would find that pot has never turned anyone into a "drooling veggie." Google "cannabinoids" and learn about the topic. I would enjoy a more challenging debate.