ALL CANNABIS CANADIANS VOTE GREEN

[geoffrey]

Those men were killed by a delusional maniac, and having virtually nothing to do with pot. Sad use of that tragedy.

I disagree. This guy was a bum. He funded his weapons, his parties on his farm where he molested underaged boys and girls while getting them drunk and so on based on the sale of stolen goods and pot.

Don't get me wrong, I think the majority of pot users are quite harmless (perhaps useless too). But to say that pot has never killed anyone is a gross overstatement. There are many people, from dealers, to those that purchase pot, to families and so on that are killed by the associated activity.

It's naive to think that will immediately go away and these people will switch perfectly to normal lives the day it's legalised. It's profoundly incorrect.

The facts are out there and its pretty obvious to me and people like me that you are a conservative redneck in your view.

Call me what you will, I have little issue with people using marijuana for themselves. I have major issues when people attempt to portray it as a safer alternative to alcohol or smoking or as a harmless little adventure. There are real world implications and consequences to the use of any substance.

Cannabis had nothing to do with Mayerthorpe and wasn't even discovered until the RCMP illegally entered the rosgo farm

How typical. The pot crusader bashes the cops.

And as all of us enlightened people realize Rosgo certainly wasn't smoking what was growing at his farm ,,,without a doubt !!!

Enlightened is hardly the word I'd use for most of the pot smokers I know. Anyways, I digress. How do you know for sure he wasn't smoking it? You there? Didn't think so. Either way, if he wasn't growing it for personal consumption, then it's a bigger issue anyways. This is exactly my point. The guy with 3 plants in the basement is generally not the problem (until he tries to sell his moldy house with dangerous wiring). The guy that is using funds (and gangs as well) to finance violence against others is the problem.

With the new policies SOON coming from the harpercrits I would imagine there will actually be some cannabis related shootings as they will make cannabis cost more and be more profitable to crime.

What, you want us to subsidize it? By the way, I'm not a Harper supporter. Legalised pot, with taxes applied equal to alcohol would run in the ballpark of $20/gram. I have no interest in subsidizing drug use. So that's your legalised price. Is anyone going to buy from the government when their buddy is selling it for $10. If the government sells it for $10, the dealer will sell it for $8. And so on. Legalisation is the path to subsidized marijuana and it's not a path worth going down. The dealers aren't going anywhere, the money is too good until the price is rock bottom. So we get increased violence through competition, lower prices (lower price=increased demand) to the point where my tax dollars fund you to get baked every night.

Not happening.

Stupid policy wait and see!

See above if you want to see the results of a stupid policy.

Machine gun fights at schools ,,oh yeah we already had that.

How will that ever change? Do you want to allow minors to purchase pot from the government at discount rates? I think a little too much of that pot has gone to your head.

80 dead Indo Canadians over drug turf ,oh yeah already have that.

Tough shit. Don't get involved in the drug trade and your not going to get shot or get your family shot. Why specificially Indo Canadians? No white guy ever get shot? Or is this all about opening up Canada to the drug lords that run most of the rural areas of South-East Asia?

I am glad a guy like you shows his true color and show that you have no problem paying $150,000 a year to jail some one for a victimless crime and yet not the $10,000 for affordable housing or the $20,000 for a decent education.

Victimless crime? My ass.

No point in responding to extinct DNA here for me as I know I wont get your vote

Extinct DNA? Uh huh. Just those that realise that legalisation amounts to nothing but a long-term subsidy without addressing any of the core issues. It's the easy way out.

Neither did the slavery abolitionist's , I and many others are sure , now.

Good parallel. I mean, whipping a black guy in the fields all day is almost the same as the government not allowing you to grow a forest of marijuana and sell it in schools. Unless your really pissing around, your not going to jail for pot possession. Your clueless.

My gains will come from the non voters the down trodden and the disenfranchised

who will rise up and put people like you back in your miserable place.

I've heard that one before. Then they all stopped at 7-11 to buy some chips and slurpees and got distracted. End of the campaign. Sad really. Nice people.

and thanks for your comments

Your welcome.

[jennie]

Don't get me wrong, I think the majority of pot users are quite harmless (perhaps useless too). But to say that pot has never killed anyone is a gross overstatement. There are many people, from dealers, to those that purchase pot, to families and so on that are killed by the associated activity.

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What, you want us to subsidize it? By the way, I'm not a Harper supporter. Legalised pot, with taxes applied equal to alcohol would run in the ballpark of $20/gram. I have no interest in subsidizing drug use. So that's your legalised price. Is anyone going to buy from the government when their buddy is selling it for $10. If the government sells it for $10, the dealer will sell it for $8. And so on. Legalisation is the path to subsidized marijuana and it's not a path worth going down. The dealers aren't going anywhere, the money is too good until the price is rock bottom. So we get increased violence through competition, lower prices (lower price=increased demand) to the point where my tax dollars fund you to get baked every night.

Hmm seems to me the way it works with alcohol legal, illegal alcohol sales (bootleggers) are more expensive not less, from what I have heard. And the taxes on pot need not be as severe as alcohol as it doesn't cause the same degree of damage to society.

And if you take away the crime, you get rid of the pot criminals and the shootings and such that you referred to. If it's not illegal, it is not a crime. The cops don't need to bother themselves with it and they can focus on the hard drugs.

Police in the US laid over 600,000 simple pot possession charges last year. I don't know if the rate is the same in Canada, but guesstimating 10% of that, like our population, that's possibly over 60,000 charges. How much does each cost us taxpayers in police and court and productivity costs? More than I want to pay.

It is ridiculous, imo. Police are defending their right to detain people 'on suspicion' so they can run them for crimes. I understand the need for crime prevention, but your average pot smoker is not, imo, a 'criminal' who deserves this treatment.

I think an investigation ... a public inquiry or service audit ... would be interesting: How many people detained 'on suspicion' of smelling like pot were ever charged for anything? Do they even bother to record those stops?

Pot will be in great demand as boomers feel their age. Decriminalization is simply a matter of time, since support is now over the 50% mark, according to the last thing I read (open to other info).

[kuzadd]

time to decriminalize marijuana, just like alcohol and cigs.

Grow your own!

waste of tax dollars on this nonsense, has gone on long enough.

Much ado over nothing!

[guyser]

I disagree. This guy was a bum. He funded his weapons, his parties on his farm where he molested underaged boys and girls while getting them drunk and so on based on the sale of stolen goods and pot.

Don't get me wrong, I think the majority of pot users are quite harmless (perhaps useless too). But to say that pot has never killed anyone is a gross overstatement.

The gross overstatement is yours goeffrey, there has never been a documented death from using pot .

There are many people, from dealers, to those that purchase pot, to families and so on that are killed by the associated activity.

Well, associated of course. But that hardly is on line with your self stated freedoms to do as one does.

There have been associated deaths from Cheerleading to baby formula. Hardly a basis for arguement geoffrey.

[M.Dancer]

My gains will come from the non voters the down trodden and the disenfranchised

who will rise up and put people like you back in your miserable place.

oh

and thanks for your comments

aren't you supposed to end rants like that witha resounding HAIL to VICTORY?

[shavluk]

The gross overstatement is yours goeffrey, there has never been a documented death from using pot .

Well, associated of course. But that hardly is on line with your self stated freedoms to do as one does.

There have been associated deaths from Cheerleading to baby formula. Hardly a basis for arguement geoffrey.

A 26 ounce bottle of alcohol under prohibition would today cost $200 dollars and some people would die from impurities in it or from crimes greed of Wood alcohol sales,, remember?

Now !!! Some here are going to argue that alcohol is safer illegal !! hahhahhahhahhahhaha

I rest my case on the point of arguing with all here.

Thank You to you , the wise citizens who DID see through the obvious policemen here.

Sadly the forces against re-legalizing cannabis are very powerful , they almost killed me once

Sadly its mostly from tax dollars.

Rosgo had zero cannabis in his blood , you are a cop go get this info yourself.

And as you know it stays in your system for months ,,,he had plenty of Booze though as you probably know.

No he wasn't using cannabis sadly or he would have been a different man.

Guess what though !!

The RCMP D.A.R.E (sit in schools and lie to school children)program instructor from here in B.C. that died a couple of years ago turned out to be full of heroin and cocaine!!!!!!!!!! It took months for them to release this information.

Your comments come from a place that for me doesn't even exist and I don't plan on wasting any more time on you geoffrey

I have thousands who will cancel your vote.

You should smoke some as you have lost touch with humanity in my humble opinion.

I am helping direct this policy for obvious reasons but I have many skills and qualifications.

I am working on CO2 recapture with one of the only plants that doesn't rot in cement and actually petrifies.

I am working with solar cells, inverters and clean energy production.

I believe decentralization ,,a solar cell and inverter in every house , instead of the current model is again the obvious way to go.

Lets just make it only one grocery store shall we and we can all get our groceries from Ontario hydro, hahaha

I am also an ex Revenue Canada Tax Manager (legal and licensing officer) so I also believe in Tax reform (flat tax)

So much more.

What problem would you like to discuss?

Right now with having personally spoken to people who were supposed to be dead from cancer and tumours and instead they have now been cured just from drinking hemp oil and thriving ,,well I am sorry but to me it is important just when you consider what we spend on cancer in this country.

Get this ! the Canadian cancer society wrote back to us and said thanks BUT WE SPEND ZERO DOLLARS ON NATURAL REMEDIES FOR CANCER !!!!!

Think about that one.

I will pursue this no matter what some like you think.

I can also see the billions of dollars in Green technologies.

It takes courage and intelligence as well as taking responsibility.

My style?

Some people quite frankly are so damaged that to pander to them is not possible to me ,elections be damned.

My Mom was the first female licensed Bailiff in Canada and I was raised that if your word was worth nothing than so were you.

Any hoooo if my manner is a bit crusty I do apologize , that is not my intent.

A rape of my kind does cause after effects.

My friends call me shrek and if you had walked in my shoes and gone through what I have you to may be a little intense yourself.

My goal is reforming the complete justice environment obviously and I have no problem locking up violent offenders or lost causes.

I believe if something doesn't work you remove it and the vacuum created will provide new choices.

The rapist molesting judge who recently applied for parole after only 3 years of only a 7 year sentence should never get out , in my view considering I know of people who served 7 years just for a joint

Oh and by the by,

The legal price of cannabis (what the Canadian government sells it for NOW!) is $5.35 a gram

I will take what you have of yours that you want to sell as even that is cheaper than I can find.

I will just grow my own as it isn't about the right to get high ,, it is quality of life without fear of persecution to citizens that is my goal.

Sadly it is just a form of racism and bigotry worsening as long as the harpercrits stay with any power , their policies are wrong ,cost too much and frankly are an affront to a Canadian Military Veteran like myself!

mdancer by miserable I mean their general existence ( based on my years of studying psychology) as their demeanour demonstrates a complete lack of respect for their fellow citizens thoughts ,rights and dissections , for example.

I wish no one harm,,far from it.

The simple fact of all of it is I was a millionaire real-estate broker/developer/entrepreneur in Saskatoon who in 1991 was set up , framed , bankrupted and finally jailed ,by a police officer who was himself charged for raping little children in Martinsville,sask in 1992

I did not see my children for 2 years!!!

All over 8 grams of cannabis I had zero to do with.

Its all out there and I fear no one or any man , not any more.

I was threatened twice by the biker groups but you know what ?? I was threatened more by police

Yes ,when I ran in the last 2 BC provincial elections for the marijuana party

Fat people will eventually fill the jails under the leadership of the people who have caused the current problems we all pay for and deal with now.

I have seen the cause of the problems and I will stand and help solve them.

And thank you for your comments.

I will stop responding to obvious dog eat dog conservatives as I am no masochist.

[jefferiah]

But the only issue you seem to have any focus on is marijuana. Why should I vote for you? Once you have legalized then what? We all get high and everything in life is grand?

Yes, we need to smoke pot to get in touch. Of course.

Seriously anyone whose main platform is marijuana is not fit to be a leader in my opinion.

[M.Dancer]

May all wingnut parties be so transparent.

[shavluk]

But the only issue you seem to have any focus on is marijuana. Why should I vote for you? Once you have legalized then what? We all get high and everything in life is grand?

Yes, we need to smoke pot to get in touch. Of course.

Seriously anyone whose main platform is marijuana is not fit to be a leader in my opinion.

From your post it is pretty obvious you have not read about what actually happened to me and as such what I say ,

well maybe it wont register.

I am appealing to the people who DO know of at least this struggle right now and when I know I have all 4 million of the cannabis users in this country voting GREEN why then I will relax as things will soon be right as rain and I can relax.

You of course can stand up and help with the many other problems out there as I am sure you are ,right?

Again thank you all for your comments and I really appreciate each of you taking the time.

I type with 2 fingers and it takes time as I am also building a marina and marine store as well as this political work

As I said I could put buckets of heroin and cocaine on every street corner and only the same weak people will touch it ,,why spend billions arming paramilitary police and jailing average citizens. WHY???

We all should realize that there has never been a prison built,,NEVER where they didn't discover illegal drugs in NONE!!!!

How then are we going to keep them off the street?

Lets at least make sure we have a clean crime less supply and deal with the drug problem for what it really is.

I have seen crime spray RAID insecticide on cannabis , as they don't care about high school kids lungs or lives.

RE-Legalize and stop the insanity just for your own children who are smoking it.

Here's one for you people that don't know that the only 2 governments (Australia and Britain)who ever actually studied the cannabis issue found out that you actually drive better on cannaibis than you do sober and alcohol , hahhahaha.

I know no one should drive under the influence of anything but this will dispel some of the crap they try to spew.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLmHL7YznUI...ddriving%2Ehtml

paid for by the society for human intelligence by the year 3000 committee

[geoffrey]

Hmm seems to me the way it works with alcohol legal, illegal alcohol sales (bootleggers) are more expensive not less, from what I have heard. And the taxes on pot need not be as severe as alcohol as it doesn't cause the same degree of damage to society.

Your kidding me. We have no idea how much damage it causes because it's never been formally studied. Unless you have a citation for that claim?

And if you take away the crime, you get rid of the pot criminals and the shootings and such that you referred to. If it's not illegal, it is not a crime. The cops don't need to bother themselves with it and they can focus on the hard drugs.

Why would the crime disappear? You think dealers will just turn in their guns and start working at a Daycare the next day? Are you that clueless?

Police in the US laid over 600,000 simple pot possession charges last year. I don't know if the rate is the same in Canada, but guesstimating 10% of that, like our population, that's possibly over 60,000 charges. How much does each cost us taxpayers in police and court and productivity costs? More than I want to pay.

Fair.

It is ridiculous, imo. Police are defending their right to detain people 'on suspicion' so they can run them for crimes. I understand the need for crime prevention, but your average pot smoker is not, imo, a 'criminal' who deserves this treatment.

Not the average one, no.

Pot will be in great demand as boomers feel their age. Decriminalization is simply a matter of time, since support is now over the 50% mark, according to the last thing I read (open to other info).

Appeal to the majority is a logical falisy. Not that rational argument has been on the legalisation side, ever.

There have been associated deaths from Cheerleading to baby formula. Hardly a basis for arguement geoffrey.

If you don't think the social ills associated with marijuana in Canada are serious, then you really have no clue.

A 26 ounce bottle of alcohol under prohibition would today cost $200 dollars and some people would die from impurities in it or from crimes greed of Wood alcohol sales,, remember?

Citation please on the cost?

Do you not think that consumption of marijuana would go up if a similar cost was applied? $1 a gram wouldn't have more people smoking more pot?

Thank You to you , the wise citizens who DID see through the obvious policemen here.

Policemen? I'm not a police officer. I actually have been quite outspoken against alot of the activity of the police on this very forum.

Sadly the forces against re-legalizing cannabis are very powerful , they almost killed me once

Eh? You mean the dealers that are desperate to protect their market?

Rosgo had zero cannabis in his blood , you are a cop go get this info yourself.

Hahahahha. Oh I'm laughing so hard.

The RCMP D.A.R.E (sit in schools and lie to school children)program instructor from here in B.C. that died a couple of years ago turned out to be full of heroin and cocaine!!!!!!!!!! It took months for them to release this information.

And that's an argument to legalise pot how? Are you seriously that clueless?

How does the D.A.R.E. program lie to children?

I have thousands who will cancel your vote.

I bet you don't cross the 100 vote mark.

You should smoke some as you have lost touch with humanity in my humble opinion.

I'll pass. Been there, done that.

I am working on CO2 recapture with one of the only plants that doesn't rot in cement and actually petrifies.

I am working with solar cells, inverters and clean energy production.

I believe decentralization ,,a solar cell and inverter in every house , instead of the current model is again the obvious way to go.

Lets just make it only one grocery store shall we and we can all get our groceries from Ontario hydro, hahaha

We can agree on all of the above. Unfortunately, your profound ignorance of the realities behind marijana legalisation will prevent you from ever getting those views across. That's a shame.

I am also an ex Revenue Canada Tax Manager (legal and licensing officer) so I also believe in Tax reform (flat tax)

Excellent. I'm a flat tax supporter myself.

Right now with having personally spoken to people who were supposed to be dead from cancer and tumours and instead they have now been cured just from drinking hemp oil and thriving ,,well I am sorry but to me it is important just when you consider what we spend on cancer in this country.

Oh dear god, please don't start a medical crusade against the establishment. I've seen this before and known personally a few victims of such ridiculous claims. Hemp has no ability to cure cancer. Relieving pain, ok, curing cancer? No.

I will pursue this no matter what some like you think.

Good, I encourage your right to do so, as long as your not being loose with the facts. Like the hemp curing cancer claim.

The simple fact of all of it is I was a millionaire real-estate broker/developer/entrepreneur in Saskatoon who in 1991 was set up , framed , bankrupted and finally jailed ,by a police officer who was himself charged for raping little children in Martinsville,sask in 1992

That's outrageous, write a book, make some more millions.

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What riding do you plan to represent? Have you received the nomination?

[shavluk]

GREENS SAY !Legalize and commercialize the Afghan poppy crop

http://www.greenparty.ca/en/releases/08.29.2007

Its the right policy !

GREEN for a return to sane government policy !

indepth for you serious activists!!!

http://www.greenparty.ca/en/policy/documents/P4M

well worth the read !!!

JUST IN CASE YOU MISSED IT !!

Edited September 26, 2007 by shavluk

[guyser]

Your kidding me. We have no idea how much damage it causes because it's never been formally studied. Unless you have a citation for that claim?

It has been studied geoffrey and it is obvious it does not hold the same degree of damage.It would however be front page news if it did. Alcohol is far more injurious to our health.

Why would the crime disappear? You think dealers will just turn in their guns and start working at a Daycare the next day? Are you that clueless?

No , but respectfully you are that clueless.

Guns, violence, booby traps all associated with pot grow ops right?

Well sadly that is nowhere near the truth. How about almost 2% of grow ops are booby trapped and 6% of grow ops had guns present. This comes from the police by the way.

Heroin and cocaine are where the violence meets the drugs. Not pot.

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/ind...s=M1ARTM0012735

And as the article says, there is very little violence towards cops investigating drug offences. So where does your gun fit in here?

If you don't think the social ills associated with marijuana in Canada are serious, then you really have no clue.

Citation please on the cost?

Perhaps you could show us the cost of said social ills?

You have posted about the gov getting out of peoples lives , yet here you want the man to jump in , even though nothing suggests that pot is even close on the scale of harm to society as alcohol is.

Why is that?

Edited September 26, 2007 by guyser

[M.Dancer]

This poll rocks!

[shavluk]

He like many confuse issues of prohibition with issues of drug use.

The prohibition itself is the problem ,,it is the cause of the violence ,the guns , the gangs , enticing corrupt cops etc , etc.

Its not the other way around.

Thank you for the assist from you intelligent open minded freedom oriented citizens.

Its because of people like you that I must continue my passionate pursuit of justice in many issues.

I am also a member of L.E.A.P.

Maybe watch this from police who started this organization because of their great common sense and actually because of our work here with the marijuana party in B.C.

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php?name=Web_...sit&lid=108

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php?name=Web_...sit&lid=109

Again thanks for the comments.

juror.ca

[sharkman]

Dude, in one of the legions of your posts in this short thread, you promised us you would rest your case. Please, please, please you can start resting it anytime now. Say, here's an idea. Why don't you smoke a few joints then come up with a topic that sounds really good to you to start thread on. Then repeat yourself over and over again, telling whoppers about George Washington and how you used to have a cancerous lump on your leg but after rubbing potash on it for one week it WAS GONE!!!!

[shavluk]

*******Dude, in one of the legions of your posts in this short thread, you promised us you would rest your case. Please, please, please you can start resting it anytime now. Say, here's an idea. Why don't you smoke a few joints then come up with a topic that sounds really good to you to start thread on. Then repeat yourself over and over again, telling whoppers about George Washington and how you used to have a cancerous lump on your leg but after rubbing potash on it for one week it WAS GONE!!!! *****--- quote

Sorry , I am not going anywhere until after the election or when one of you whines enough to get me banned just to confirm you don't have the skills to debate me sanely here.

But thanks again for the comments.

Maybe re-read your own post and see if it does make any sense to you.

A drinker by chance?

As far as the past and Washington , Jefferson and Paul Revere ,well you can educate yourself some time.

You don't seem the type to really care if cannabis was always legal and that everything was made out of it or could use it.

The diesel engine was invented to run on it, ford built indestructible model T's with plastics from hemp and even money was printed on it.

Stay in the dark and pretend your views don't hurt anyone, they do.

As far as the cancer thing I would try it in a heart beat and probably so would you.

[Guest coot]

Your kidding me. We have no idea how much damage it causes because it's never been formally studied.

What are you talking about? There have been countless formal studies of marijuana. What about recent ones that indicated it made schizophrenic people more likely to exhibit symptoms? You just aren't paying any attention.

Why would the crime disappear?

When something is decriminalized, crime disappears. Just ask Al Capone. The more laws you have, the more crime. It's the nature of the business.

You think dealers will just turn in their guns and start working at a Daycare the next day? Are you that clueless?

Perhaps not. But criminalization would remove a source of their income. Why would you be against that?

Hemp has no ability to cure cancer. Relieving pain, ok, curing cancer? No.

Are all your posts based on misinformation? There have been studies that indicate it may help in treating cancer (http://www.forbes.com/health/feeds/hscout/2007/04/17/hscout603764.html). It's not a painkiller though.

Good, I encourage your right to do so, as long as your not being loose with the facts. Like the hemp curing cancer claim.

I would say that posting about something you clearly know nothing about is being a little more loose with the facts than referring to actual research.

And citing the inevitable results of criminalization (like dead RCMP officers and fire-hazard grow-ops) and using that as justification for maintaining criminalization is either intellectually dishonest or downright foolish.

[trex]

Hey John! sounds great man, good luck

[shavluk]

Just made a post to you in another thread.

Thanks for yours here and good to hear from you.

[jefferiah]

There's your single vote Shavluk!

A coup might work better for you.

[shavluk]

There you go another post number for you.

I hope coat tailing on my thread to increase your meaningless post count is OK with your fans. hahhaha

And I guess you are right he cancels someones conservative vote.

As I am not some anonymous windbag here like some others as shavluk is my real name

I will just continue to be a source of entertainment for you small dead animal assimilating methane producing bags of flesh.

Oh and thanks for the comments.

[jefferiah]

And I guess you are right he cancels someones conservative vote.

As I am not some anonymous windbag here like some others as shavluk is my real name

He cancels his own conservative vote, and for some reason I dont think he votes conservative anyway.

[jefferiah]

Stay in the dark and pretend your views don't hurt anyone, they do.

Yeah come off it now, Sharkman. Stop hurting people with your views. You could put an eye out.

[ScottSA]

GREENS SAY !Legalize and commercialize the Afghan poppy crop

http://www.greenparty.ca/en/releases/08.29.2007

Its the right policy !

GREEN for a return to sane government policy !

indepth for you serious activists!!!

http://www.greenparty.ca/en/policy/documents/P4M

well worth the read !!!

JUST IN CASE YOU MISSED IT !!

I take it you're now going to settle in and expand the valiant fight for the wonderdrug Pot to theeducating us all on the harmlessness of opiates? Are you sure you're not an NDP plant? If I had ever entertained a silly notion of voting Green, it would be long gone after listening to you.

Oh yeah..."Man the barracades!...or whatever..."

[kengs333]

May all wingnut parties be so transparent.

The PC party certainly is.