Fascism returns to Europe

[ScottSA]

"It is procedure similar to procedures which were in fascist Germany ??????" - Your "Yes" - means that you are ridiculous boy - without knowledge -or nutcase - provocateur.

I'm sorry you're not able to understand the nuances Jerry.

[Jerry Galinda]

I'm sorry you're not able to understand the nuances Jerry.

Maybe - yes.

But I'm sure that you don't know DIFFERENCES (not nuances) - between e.g. :

fascism and nasizm and authoritarian and regime

and similarities between fascism and Stalinism and so on.

It’s ridiculous that you write about nuances without knowledge about differences, without knowledge about European history and history of ideology in Europe.

Probably for you everything what is not anarchism - it’s a fascism.

You are a kind of ultra-leftist - who have disrespect , disdain for democratic procedures.

My language is not precise - but yours - is specially imprecise language of propaganda or confirm lack of knowledge.

It reminds me the language of Stalin’s documents - where one word - one epithet, one SLOGAN (trockism, social-fascism, political deviation , bourgeois , mole and so on) cause that opponents was politically and soon physically damaged.

You haven't the slightest NOTION ABOUT FASCISM.

[ScottSA]

Maybe - yes.

But I'm sure that you don't know DIFFERENCES (not nuances) - between e.g. :

fascism and nasizm and authoritarian and regime

and similarities between fascism and Stalinism and so on.

It’s ridiculous that you write about nuances without knowledge about differences, without knowledge about European history and history of ideology in Europe.

Probably for you everything what is not anarchism - it’s a fascism.

You are a kind of ultra-leftist - who have disrespect , disdain for democratic procedures.

My language is not precise - but yours - is specially imprecise language of propaganda or confirm lack of knowledge.

It reminds me the language of Stalin’s documents - where one word - one epithet, one SLOGAN (trockism, social-fascism, political deviation , bourgeois , mole and so on) cause that opponents was politically and soon physically damaged.

You haven't the slightest NOTION ABOUT FASCISM.

Yes Jerry, I'm ultra left. Stop clogging the thread.

[jbg]

Yes Jerry, I'm ultra left. Stop clogging the thread.

I'm the house leftist, as you can see from my DailyKos posts (link).

[Higgly]

My language is not precise - but yours - is specially imprecise language of propaganda or confirm lack of knowledge.

It reminds me the language of Stalin’s documents - where one word - one epithet, one SLOGAN (trockism, social-fascism, political deviation , bourgeois , mole and so on) cause that opponents was politically and soon physically damaged.

You haven't the slightest NOTION ABOUT FASCISM.

Good one. Another similarity is Scott SA's inability to cite historical fact.

[ScottSA]

Good one. Another similarity is Scott SA's inability to cite historical fact.

What historical fact might that be, little cheerleader?

[Higgly]

What historical fact might that be, little cheerleader?

First of all ScottSA, I am putting you on report for namecalling. Don't try changing your post, because it will be sent in its entirety, at the time I report it, to the mod.

That would be any historical fact that backs up your opinions, ScottSA. You do have some verifiable and credible sources for your opinions, do you not? Why not start with your "Moslems slaughtering Jews under the Turks" opinion?

Edited September 23, 2007 by Higgly

[ScottSA]

First of all ScottSA, I am putting you on report for namecalling. Don't try changing your post, because it will be sent in its entirety, at the time I report it, to the mod.

That would be any historical fact that backs up your opinions, ScottSA. You do have some verifiable and credible sources for your opinions, do you not? Why not start with your "Moslems slaughtering Jews under the Turks" opinion?

Good grief little cheerleader, why do you think all of north africa and large parts of the middle east were once Christian and are no longer? Why do you think there are so few Jews in those lands now? You want specific pogroms? Fine...here are some that we know about, but a lot of them just got disappeared behind closed curtains, as it were:

1033 – 6,000 Jews killed in Fez by Muslim mobs

1106 – Ali ibn Yusuf ibn Tashifin founds Marrakesh, decrees death penalty for local Jews even as his military leader and physician are Jewish.

1107 – Almoravide ruler Yusuf ibn Tashifin orders Jews to convert or be expelled from Morocco.

1148 – Almohadin become rulers of Morocco, offer Christians and Jews the choice of conversion or expulsion.

Is that enough yet? We're not even out of the 12th century and I left out 4 centuries before that. I can present gobs more if you'd like, but all you need to do, little cheerleader, is ask yourself what happened to North Africa and the middle east. They used to be christian and Jewish before the coming of the barbarians. Stop soaking up PC revisionism and start looking into things a bit.

[Higgly]

Good grief little cheerleader, why do you think all of north africa and large parts of the middle east were once Christian and are no longer? Why do you think there are so few Jews in those lands now? You want specific pogroms? Fine...here are some that we know about, but a lot of them just got disappeared behind closed curtains, as it were:

1033 – 6,000 Jews killed in Fez by Muslim mobs

1106 – Ali ibn Yusuf ibn Tashifin founds Marrakesh, decrees death penalty for local Jews even as his military leader and physician are Jewish.

1107 – Almoravide ruler Yusuf ibn Tashifin orders Jews to convert or be expelled from Morocco.

1148 – Almohadin become rulers of Morocco, offer Christians and Jews the choice of conversion or expulsion.

Is that enough yet? We're not even out of the 12th century and I left out 4 centuries before that. I can present gobs more if you'd like, but all you need to do, little cheerleader, is ask yourself what happened to North Africa and the middle east. They used to be christian and Jewish before the coming of the barbarians. Stop soaking up PC revisionism and start looking into things a bit.

Oh my. Stats from the dark ages. No credible author yet, but at least there is something. So, prey tell Scott, what were the Moslems doing to Christians at that time? Come to think of it, what were Christians doing to Moslems? The Gauls doing to the Romans? The Holy Church of Rome doing to ... Do go on...

Do you have anything from the Turkish era? And once again, ScottSA, please provide a bloody source.

[Higgly]

Good grief little cheerleader

On report again, ScottSA.

[ScottSA]

On report again, ScottSA.

That's ok little cheerleader...I'll probably start reporting you for trolling pretty soon too, so we can both get in trouble.

[Higgly]

That's ok little cheerleader...I'll probably start reporting you for trolling pretty soon too, so we can both get in trouble.

And again. The trifecta!

[jbg]

On report again, ScottSA.

That's ok little cheerleader...I'll probably start reporting you for trolling pretty soon too, so we can both get in trouble.

And again. The trifecta!

And this bickering has what to do with the thugs government of Brussels' turn towards diktat?

[Charles Anthony]

Everybody smarten up and stop the insults.

When you encounter an insult or any forum violation, just report it and ignore it after that. Do not feed the flames by returning insults.

[ScottSA]

And this bickering has what to do with the thugs government of Brussels' turn towards diktat?

I'm not sure. It seems that each time the left gets caught in the broom closet with fascism, it feels the need to start flinging odure. I wonder why?

[M.Dancer]

First of all ScottSA, I am putting you on report for namecalling. Don't try changing your post, because it will be sent in its entirety, at the time I report it, to the mod.

That would be any historical fact that backs up your opinions, ScottSA. You do have some verifiable and credible sources for your opinions, do you not? Why not start with your "Moslems slaughtering Jews under the Turks" opinion?

Is there anything worse than the passive aggressive who taunts then threatens to go tell his mommy?

Sheesh......

[Black Dog]

The term 'fascism' refers to a lock step mentality of repression, the spirit of which is taken from the 20th century fascist movements around the world in the last century. The repression of a peaceful demonstration in Brussels is in keeping with that mentality.

Geez, and here I thought it referred to a specific political ideology. But I guess, for post-modern ivory-tower pseudo intellectuals like ScottSA, terms mean whatever they want them to mean, regardless of their actual historical meaning.

[M.Dancer]

Eeerrr...can you explain that statement, since it bears no resemblence to either the Vlaams Belang or SIOE? How did a Flemish secessionist party get to be a "racial" party? Or is it just that every time you see "german" you think "fascist?"

Becasue only the flemish will belong to a flemish national party and flemmish is a germanic language.

[Jerry Galinda]

Geez, and here I thought it referred to a specific political ideology. But I guess, for post-modern ivory-tower pseudo intellectuals like ScottSA, terms mean whatever they want them to mean, regardless of their actual historical meaning.

You expressed what I'd like to express.

[ScottSA]

Geez, and here I thought it referred to a specific political ideology. But I guess, for post-modern ivory-tower pseudo intellectuals like ScottSA, terms mean whatever they want them to mean, regardless of their actual historical meaning.

Gosh, that's namecalling. I'm sure Higgly will report you though, so I won't bother. You can just call me Scott, by the way; the SA isn't really necessary. Now then, lets address this little snitty poo...in a purist sense you're right, but then in a purist sense the war in Iraq has to do with numerous subtleties, most of which you ignore and many of which you don't even know, but I suggest that you really ought to be more exact, and list each political, geopolitical, and economic cause in each post. It sounds so much more...well...exact...than reductionist slogans about "oil" or "Bush lied". Of course I made the same mistake too, albiet in a lesser way, when I referred to the attributes of fascism in connotative form rather than painstakingly listing the exact attributes of fascist ideology. It's actually not a very complicated ideology at all, really, since all the anti-semitism and such of the German version was really more a paste on than a fundamental, so it shouldn't be hard...I could probably describe it rather exactly in terms of an ideology as...well...exactly the way I described it.

You see, you and Jerry are really confusing the actions of the ideology with the ideology itself. It's kind of silly, but I guess I can live with it.

Edited September 24, 2007 by ScottSA

[Black Dog]

Gosh, that's namecalling. I'm sure Higgly will report you though, so I won't bother. You can just call me Scott, by the way; the SA isn't really necessary. Now then, lets address this little snitty poo...in a purist sense you're right, but then in a purist sense the war in Iraq has to do with numerous subtleties, most of which you ignore and many of which you don't even know, but I suggest that you really ought to be more exact, and list each political, geopolitical, and economic cause in each post. It sounds so much more...well...exact...than reductionist slogans about "oil" or "Bush lied". Of course I made the same mistake too, albiet in a lesser way, when I referred to the attributes of fascism in connotative form rather than painstakingly listing the exact attributes of fascist ideology. It's actually not a very complicated ideology at all, really, since all the anti-semitism and such of the German version was really more a paste on than a fundamental, so it shouldn't be hard...I could probably describe it rather exactly in terms of an ideology as...well...exactly the way I described it.

You see, you and Jerry are really confusing the actions of the ideology with the ideology itself. It's kind of silly, but I guess I can live with it

Except, ScottSA, your simplified (simplistic?) definition of fascism is quite inexact. A "lock step mentality of repression" is a description so broad as to encompass any number of political ideologies. In short (a concept you should really consider acquainting yourself with), your definition is little more than a vague epithet, something spat from the lips of some flower-power refugee as the “pigs” bust up the demonstration. You weren’t a campus radical in a past life, were you ScottSA?

[ScottSA]

Except, ScottSA, your simplified (simplistic?) definition of fascism is quite inexact. A "lock step mentality of repression" is a description so broad as to encompass any number of political ideologies. In short (a concept you should really consider acquainting yourself with), your definition is little more than a vague epithet, something spat from the lips of some flower-power refugee as the “pigs” bust up the demonstration. You weren’t a campus radical in a past life, were you ScottSA?

Perhaps you'd like to define fascism so that I can show you why my definition is quite good enough, even if originally meant only as an encapsulator. Go for it, or stop trolling.

[GostHacked]

ScottSA

Now then, lets address this little snitty poo...in a purist sense you're right, but then in a purist sense the war in Iraq has to do with numerous subtleties, most of which you ignore and many of which you don't even know,

Energy reserves (oil) and a permanent military presence in the Middle East.

That sublte enough for you?

Le Edit

What is Fascism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers individual and other societal interests subordinate to the needs of the state, and seeks to forge a type of national unity, usually based on, but not limited to, ethnic, cultural, or racial attributes. Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, authoritarianism, statism, militarism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, collectivism, corporatism, populism, and opposition to economic and political liberalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces

This little bat boy shows up on the US Currency and in the US Congress

http://pmindia.nic.in/photo_gallary/GetPhoto.asp?id=1001

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Houseof...esentatives.jpg

Hehe check out this kids page

http://clerkkids.house.gov/time/art/index.html

You have chosen Time Warp: ART! A. Bill has traveled back in time to explore the rich heritage of the symbols in the Capitol Complex. These symbols represent concepts like unity, authority, and protection -- concepts reflected in the United States and its laws.

Fasces – The fasces can be seen on both sides of the U.S. flag in the House chamber and in many other locations throughout the Capitol complex. The fasces were first used in ancient Rome, to symbolize the authority of the Roman people. The bundle of rods tied together represents the strength of a united republic; whereas one rod by itself is easily broken, many rods bound together are strong. The ax in the middle of the fasces symbolizes military might and the power to discipline lawbreakers

Ok sorry, got off track. OH YEAH FACSISM.

Edited September 25, 2007 by GostHacked

[jbg]

And this bickering has what to do with the thugs government of Brussels' turn towards diktat?

I'm not sure. It seems that each time the left gets caught in the broom closet with fascism, it feels the need to start flinging odure. I wonder why?

There's a maxim in my profession. When the law is against you argue the facts. When the facts are against you argue the law. When both are against you, pound the table.

[Black Dog]

Perhaps you'd like to define fascism so that I can show you why my definition is quite good enough, even if originally meant only as an encapsulator.

Greater minds than yours have grappled with developing an accurate definition of fascism. There's plenty of scholarly debate on the subject, of which someone with your extensive education and worldiness (as you so often remind us all) is no doubt well aware. Suffice to say that most have gone well beyond your encapsulation of the political ideology of fascism as "that which harshes my mellow."

Go for it, or stop trolling.

My goodness, but you love to accuse people of trolling. Surely a veteran of as many tours of duty in the muddy trenches and killing fields of online discussion boards as yourself would have a little more developed sense of the term. Or is trolling, like your definition of fascism, simply anything that you don't like? And even if my posing questions to you fit the commonly accepted definition of trolling, you can always ask the moderators to intervene. 'cause you can bet your rosy lil' cheeks that I'm not about to take direction from the likes of you.