Canadian C-17 (CC-177) Lands in Afghanistan

[bush_cheney2004]

Yes, the addition of real heavy airlift capability for Canada is welcomed, but this story is fraught with errors:

...The gigantic, 200-tonne bird of steel is sexpected to have an effect on Canadian troop confidence as they continue to battle with Taliban insurgents, Maisonneuve said in a short interview shortly after landing.

...In its giant belly, the plane can carry 77,000 tonnes of cargo, including vehicles, and can transport up to 100 soldiers.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

Edited August 30, 2007 by bush_cheney2004

[old_bold&cold]

I am not sure if the specs have errors as 77,000 tons 154,000,000 pounds and that does seem to be an awful lot to get in the air even with for engines. I maybe wrong on this point though. I am glad to see Canada with a heavy lift planes and I do think they will be well worth there purchase price as time goes on.

[Guest American Woman]

I am not sure if the specs have errors as 77,000 tons 154,000,000 pounds and that does seem to be an awful lot to get in the air even with for engines. I maybe wrong on this point though. I am glad to see Canada with a heavy lift planes and I do think they will be well worth there purchase price as time goes on.

That should have read 77,000 kilograms.

Edited August 30, 2007 by American Woman

[August1991]

What's the difference between men and boys? The toys are more expensive.

Each Canadian handed over $100 for these planes. If the Conservatives believe they are a necessary purchase, then they should have reduced spending elsewhere on something deemed less important.

Edited August 30, 2007 by August1991

[geoffrey]

Each Canadian handed over $100 for these planes. If the Conservatives believe they are a necessary purchase, then they should have reduced spending elsewhere on something deemed less important.

To their credit, they did slash a bunch of ridiculous programs at the beginning of their term. Maybe this is the money from getting out of the Kelowna Accord?

None the less, I still expect a tax cut considering the government is rolling in massive surpluses and spending billions more than inflation would allow.

[Wilber]

What's the difference between men and boys? The toys are more expensive.

Each Canadian handed over $100 for these planes. If the Conservatives believe they are a necessary purchase, then they should have reduced spending elsewhere on something deemed less important.

Is that how you feel about our military? Just a bunch of guys and gals playing with expensive toys?

[AndrewL]

Yes, the addition of real heavy airlift capability for Canada is welcomed, but this story is fraught with errors:

...The gigantic, 200-tonne bird of steel is sexpected to have an effect on Canadian troop confidence as they continue to battle with Taliban insurgents, Maisonneuve said in a short interview shortly after landing.

...In its giant belly, the plane can carry 77,000 tonnes of cargo, including vehicles, and can transport up to 100 soldiers.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

***Yawn*** Who the &^%*$ cares.

Andrew

Edited August 30, 2007 by AndrewL

[White Doors]

Great addition to our military!

We will actually be able to help others and help our soldiers with very little notice once all 4 are delivered.

[Bonam]

I'd like to see a plane that could lift 77,000 tons of cargo ;p

[M.Dancer]

It appears to be corrected.......

In its giant belly, the plane can carry 77,000 kilograms of cargo, including vehicles, and can transport up to 100 soldiers

.

[AndrewL]

***Yawn*** Who the $%^&*## cares.

Andrew

[AngusThermopyle]

***Yawn*** Who the fuck cares.

I care, and I'm willing to bet the vast majority of serving members care.

Does that answer your question?

[AndrewL]

Sorry, Who the &^%&*$*% cares!

Andrew

[AndrewL]

I care, and I'm willing to bet the vast majority of serving members care.

Does that answer your question?

It was a rhetorical question meant to express the fact that i don't care. whether or not serving members do is their business.

Andrew

[old_bold&cold]

I am glad that it is cleared up about the tons vs kilograms, But still that is one very large amount of cargo. It will still allow Canada to be able to ship all its armed forces needs any where they are needed. That includes in all places in Canada as well. So yes these are going to be something that Canadians will benefit from in the future. As far as the taxes that were spent on these goes, I would rather it go here where we do have a need then be used to support foreign regiments where very little of what we give goes to the most in need. These planes can make it so we can fly in aid directly to those in need, if and when the need arises. When we have to get other countries to transport our aid, it just makes for one more hand that wants greasing. So yes this is a step in the right direction.

[M.Dancer]

I am glad that it is cleared up about the tons vs kilograms, But still that is one very large amount of cargo. It will still allow Canada to be able to ship all its armed forces needs any where they are needed. That includes in all places in Canada as well.

Well, sort of. It still needs a runway with a minimum of 3500ft to land with contignecy space at either end.

[old_bold&cold]

3500 ft is less then 2/3 of a mile or so. I do not see that being a large problem and even in our ice covered artic clearing such a place would not be beyond possibility. I would say that most of the secondary airports have runways large enough in length to accomidate this. The wing spread might be an issue for some though.

[M.Dancer]

3500 ft is less then 2/3 of a mile or so. I do not see that being a large problem and even in our ice covered artic clearing such a place would not be beyond possibility. I would say that most of the secondary airports have runways large enough in length to accomidate this. The wing spread might be an issue for some though.

Perhaps, Not sure if most 3rd world nations would. Might have to send in the Field Engineers to build a runway first.

Take Buttonvile, Canada's 8th busiest airport. It has 2 runways, only one is barely large enough to handle a landing in summer (it would have to take off empty)

[old_bold&cold]

You may well be right on that, but on the whole i still feel better that Canada has them now and is less dependent on others. The only thing thta makes me wonder more about this, is why is our military always spending and buying from these companies, when I would probably feel better if we had a domestic capability for building and designing these kind of craft here in Canada. Not since the Avro Arrow have we been able to look with pride at things made in Canada. It does seem ashame that we still allow the restriants of yesterday to still compell us to farm out such things today.

[M.Dancer]

The only thing thta makes me wonder more about this, is why is our military always spending and buying from these companies, when I would probably feel better if we had a domestic capability for building and designing these kind of craft here in Canada. Not since the Avro Arrow have we been able to look with pride at things made in Canada. It does seem ashame that we still allow the restriants of yesterday to still compell us to farm out such things today.

The whole Arrow myth makes me boil. Sure it was an advanced aircraft, but that's like saying in 1939, the Polish had the most technologically advanced Calvary Lancers anywhere. The Avro was obsolete by the time the first prototype was launched. It's mission was to fly straight and fast and intercept Soviet bombers, launch a anti aircraft nuclear missile and pray top God they advoid the blast. The advent of ICBMs meant that Straight and Fast interceptors, like Calvary Lancers, were a thing of the past.

We do have a domestic capability to design and build these provided that if Canada wanted a homegrown heavy lifter we could have one provided we have 20 years or so to design and build one, with no gaurentee they won't cost 10 times more than an off the shelf model.

[old_bold&cold]

Back in The days of the Avro, things pretty much rolled fast and furious and yes many advances came at a record shattering pace. But to just throw the towel in and give up domestic building..... well lets just say I wish it played out differently. It is much the same today with ships and shipyards. Canada has let go pretty much all capacity, and while we are not a big naval country, it would be nice to see us with at least the capacity to build icebreakers instead of having to get Russian built etc. You may see where I am going with much of this. Canada I feel needs to be able to have some capacity to look after itself especially with the building and supplying our armed forces. I know it may cost more, but I think that it would also make more people proud. I am sure there will be lots of others who will disagree, but maybe its because I am older, but I do see mpre and more people take no pride at all in anything being Canadian. Just an observation on my part.

[M.Dancer]

Canada has let go pretty much all capacity, and while we are not a big naval country, it would be nice to see us with at least the capacity to build icebreakers instead of having to get Russian built etc.

The City Class frigate are Canadian built and design. The proposed artic sovereignty icebreakers will aslo be Canadian built.

[August1991]

Is that how you feel about our military? Just a bunch of guys and gals playing with expensive toys?

Given the discussion above, I'm inclined to think that two teenage boys are comparing the length of their skateboards.

Wilber, let's be honest (and sexist). The police and military are peopled by men and men like motors and electronics. I think that it's fair to assume that we spend too much on this stuff.

[White Doors]

One should never assume.

[Argus]

Given the discussion above, I'm inclined to think that two teenage boys are comparing the length of their skateboards.

Wilber, let's be honest (and sexist). The police and military are peopled by men and men like motors and electronics. I think that it's fair to assume that we spend too much on this stuff.

Not only sexist but elitist, and with that typical French insouciance towards security, defence and military matters. The French never think the military is important. Why, we should be spending that money on wine and cheese and poor people! But of course, when push comes to shove - which the French never seem to believe will happen - this lack of intestinal fortitude has made them international doormats for centuries.