Tories in Trouble

[jdobbin]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

pposition parties are blasting the government on the Afghan detainee controversy once again, this time over the question of who will have access to results of a probe into torture allegations.

Afghan detainees captured by Canadians have made allegations that they're being abused after being handed over to local authorities.

Canadian officials heard the complaints while visiting prisons under the agreement signed in early May that allows Canadians greater access to prisoners.

Since signing a revised prisoner transfer agreement, the Conservatives have insisted the International Red Cross will be informed of the results of the investigation by Afghan authorities.

But the Red Cross says it has no such role in the war-torn country and isn't expecting a report of any kind.

Will the Tories ever get this issue right?

[jbg]

Two for the price of one!!! Afghanistan (a Liberal effort in the first place) and Harper. What a shock.

[normanchateau]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

pposition parties are blasting the government on the Afghan detainee controversy once again, this time over the question of who will have access to results of a probe into torture allegations.

Afghan detainees captured by Canadians have made allegations that they're being abused after being handed over to local authorities.

Canadian officials heard the complaints while visiting prisons under the agreement signed in early May that allows Canadians greater access to prisoners.

Since signing a revised prisoner transfer agreement, the Conservatives have insisted the International Red Cross will be informed of the results of the investigation by Afghan authorities.

But the Red Cross says it has no such role in the war-torn country and isn't expecting a report of any kind.

Will the Tories ever get this issue right?

Unlikely. The Minister of Defence actually makes Stephen Harper appear competent. Maybe that's why he hasn't been fired yet.

[hiti]

Two for the price of one!!! Afghanistan (a Liberal effort in the first place) and Harper. What a shock.

Steve grabbed onto the Afghanistan issue and made it his very own, using it for photo-ops, playing soldiers, pretending he's the big chief of some big army. He's not giving Afghanistan back to the liberals. Steve, like Dubya, don't cut and run. LOL

[normanchateau]

Steve, like Dubya, don't cut and run. LOL

I beg to differ. I think Stephen will cut and run on Afghanistan. It's merely a matter of when. This man has minimal loyalties to anyone but himself.

He started out as a Young Liberal. Then he got disillusioned with Pierre Trudeau so switched to the Progressive Conservatives. Then he got disillusioned with Brian Mulroney so switched to the Reform Party. Then he got disillusioned with Preston Manning so quit to lead the National Citizens Coalition, a group founded by an insurance company executive who opposed the Canada Health Act (which Harper now claims to embrace after previously opposing it). Then he left that for the Canadian Alliance when it became clear that taking the leadership would require minimal effort. It's reasonable to speculate that he'll leave Afghanistan after sniffing the political winds and seeing it won't result in any votes or personal gain.

[jbg]

Yet another hate Harper thread.

[bush_cheney2004]

Yet another hate Harper thread.

True, but still a welcomed development. They only have a few more months to realize that George Bush is not the Prime Minister of Canada.

[jdobbin]

Yet another hate Harper thread.

Yet another Harper lover response.

[scribblet]

Yet another hate Harper thread.

True, but still a welcomed development. They only have a few more months to realize that George Bush is not the Prime Minister of Canada.

If they wake up to that they won't be able to start any more hate-Harper threads LOL

[Michael Bluth]

Yet another hate Harper thread.

True, but still a welcomed development. They only have a few more months to realize that George Bush is not the Prime Minister of Canada.

If they wake up to that they won't be able to start any more hate-Harper threads LOL

So you are saying there is ZERO chance they'll wake up to that fact?!

[normanchateau]

Yet another hate Harper thread.

Because you think he won't cut and run?

[Fortunata]

Yet another hate Harper thread.

Because you think he won't cut and run?

Another meaningful contribution by jbg. A self proclaimed liberal that in reality supports nothing but the conservative stance. It's like this Steve government, actions speak louder than words. The Steve government is like the cartoons, a man hiding a lit cigarette behind his back saying, I don't smoke. Like the USSR used to deny shortages (as people line up for blocks hoping to buy something like toilet paper); like Baird saying, we support Kyoto as they slash and burn any hope of even meeting it halfway. Like Cons saying, there is no proven detainee abuse, the Red Cross... etc. yet all the while knowing there has been abuse, the Red Cross doesn't or can't... well you get the picture.

[Argus]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

pposition parties are blasting the government on the Afghan detainee controversy once again, this time over the question of who will have access to results of a probe into torture allegations.

Afghan detainees captured by Canadians have made allegations that they're being abused after being handed over to local authorities.

Canadian officials heard the complaints while visiting prisons under the agreement signed in early May that allows Canadians greater access to prisoners.

Since signing a revised prisoner transfer agreement, the Conservatives have insisted the International Red Cross will be informed of the results of the investigation by Afghan authorities.

But the Red Cross says it has no such role in the war-torn country and isn't expecting a report of any kind.

Will the Tories ever get this issue right?

Nobody gives a crap about this issue other than the slavering, bug-eyed ideologues who hate Harper.

[Fortunata]

Nobody gives a crap about this issue other than the slavering, bug-eyed ideologues who hate Harper.

Really? Nobody? We'll you're wrong there. People do like to be able to say that Canada believes in and practices human rights for all. People care about the government they may have voted for, lying when the truth would do. People care about how this government handles day to day issues that come up unexpectedly; how Steve can fly by the seat of his pants. So far he and his minions have shown they can't. As far as I can see it's only the people who think Steve can do no wrong just because he isn't a Liberal that don't give a crap about this.

[normanchateau]

Yet another hate Harper thread.

Not all criticism of Harper should be viewed as hate. Often it's more resembling of contempt. Sometimes it's beneath contempt. Sometimes it's mere criticism. On the other hand, if all criticism of Harper is interpreted as hate by his supporters, it might be more adaptive for them not to respond.

[Guest chilipeppers]

Yet another hate Harper thread.

Not all criticism of Harper should be viewed as hate. Often it's more resembling of contempt. Sometimes it's beneath contempt. Sometimes it's mere criticism. On the other hand, if all criticism of Harper is interpreted as hate by his supporters, it might be more adaptive for them not to respond.

It isn't all hate, criticism is needed it is a democracy, but it might be more adaptive if you were not so repetitious in your continual response with baiting and trolling tactics. When you beat the same subject to death it gives one pause for thought if it is rational criticism or irrational hatred.

[normanchateau]

When you beat the same subject to death it gives one pause for thought if it is rational criticism or irrational hatred.

Would you say that repeatedly referring to the Liberals as corrupt is rational criticism or irrational hatred?

[jdobbin]

Nobody gives a crap about this issue other than the slavering, bug-eyed ideologues who hate Harper.

Given the attitude of Canadians on Afghanistan, that probably means a massive majority disagree with Harper.

[jdobbin]

If they wake up to that they won't be able to start any more hate-Harper threads LOL

Your love of Harper is not helping him with his Afghanistan policy. It could be a long, hot miserable August summer when Quebecers become the dominant force in Afghanistan. The antipathy to the mission is Quebec in even stronger that the massive rejection it gets elsewhere in Canada.

You can continue your support for a further extension to 2012 but most Canadians are saying 2009 and out. We'll have to see if the Dutch will stay after August. They just lost a soldier this week and support there is as low as Canada.

[LonJowett]

Yet another hate Harper thread.

yet another Grade 2 attempt at debate. Get an argument rather than a whiiiinne.

[noahbody]

When you beat the same subject to death it gives one pause for thought if it is rational criticism or irrational hatred.

Would you say that repeatedly referring to the Liberals as corrupt is rational criticism or irrational hatred?

It's rational hatred.

[Who's Doing What?]

Would you say that repeatedly referring to the Liberals as corrupt is rational criticism or irrational hatred?

It's rational hatred.

So then it would only be fair to say the same goes for those who don't like Harper.

[jbg]

Not all criticism of Harper should be viewed as hate. Often it's more resembling of contempt. Sometimes it's beneath contempt. Sometimes it's mere criticism. On the other hand, if all criticism of Harper is interpreted as hate by his supporters, it might be more adaptive for them not to respond.

My point is that almost daily at least three threads or so are started with the essential premise of calling Harper an @ss. Why not set up a thread, call it simply "Harper" and fill it with all the vile attacks imaginable? Isn't that what the "Israel" thread is?

[jdobbin]

My point is that almost daily at least three threads or so are started with the essential premise of calling Harper an @ss. Why not set up a thread, call it simply "Harper" and fill it with all the vile attacks imaginable? Isn't that what the "Israel" thread is?

If I go back a bit, will I not find your name on three or four threads each day against Paul Martin's government?

Why didn't you suggest a thread called Paul Martin where you could put all vile and venomous attacks there? Or is this just another hypocritical defense of Harper?

Let's see what we see on the Boards right now:

Tories in Trouble: Yup. That's what the papers were saying about the detainees of Afghanistan again this week. Vile and full of hatred? Nope.

Harper's Bullying Tactics: Those were the words of the newspapers again from quotes made by Tories. Did Harper say "Sue me!" Well, yes, he did. Did most commentators this week say it wasn't helpful in dealing with provincial allies. You bet they did.

The list goes on.

I think you are mistaken about what constitutes as hate. Hate would be that you couldn't stand Harper because of how he looked, how he talked...

Hey, haven't you said things about Chretien and the way he looked and talked? Why, you're a hater then! I think you even managed to criticize French Canadians with racist and bigoted statements.

And by God, I'll point it out to you every time

[jbg]

Yet another hate Harper thread.

yet another Grade 2 attempt at debate. Get an argument rather than a whiiiinne.

My IQ is 75. So if you were an inclusive Canadian, you'd want to fund a government program to help my debating skills.