Khadr should make us ashamed to be Canadian

[Shady]

Hence the need for his compensation.

It'll be a cold day in hell before we compensate him for killing someone in another country.

The highlight his mistreatment shines on our country's shameful involvement in the War on Terror

Not as shameful as his involvement was.

Edited July 9, 2012 by Shady

[eyeball]

It'll be a cold day in hell before we compensate him for killing someone in another country.

I'm sorry but hell doesn't exist either.

Not as shameful as his involvement was.

He has nothing at all to be ashamed of, but I won't argue against your acknowledging Canada's shame.

[jbg]

I agree. A payoff would be completely pathetic. I don't think a Harper government will let that happen. But a government led by one of the other parties would. They'd probably make him a multi-millionaire, and possibly the new greatest Canadian.

One of the rare times you'll hear me saying something like this but here goes.

Any legal proceeding is fraught with risk, particularly where a jury may be involved. I expect there will be a settlement and I expect it will be substantial. And Harper will blame the fandango on the PM on whose watch this matter occurred. Hint, it wasn't him that provided replacement passports for the one the Khadr family gave away to other terrorists lost.

[Signals.Cpl]

If the government of Canada compensates him, would that count as state sponsored terrorism?

[kraychik]

Your grammar sucks too, PIK... If you can't put a CAPITOL letter on Canada and Canadians, then your opinion isn't very valuable and you, yourself, are a `stupid canadian' too. Or maybe you're just a 14-year-old.

Either way, there are millions of middle-eastern immigrants in Canada who construct better sentences than you.

It's a capital letter, not a capitol letter.

[kraychik]

Omar Khadr was subjected to sleep deprivation for a very short period (I think it was less than two weeks, where he was never permitted to sleep for more than four hours without interruption) of time at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility. That does not constitute torture by any reasonable measure.

[Signals.Cpl]

His case has been shady from the start and EVERY American involved in his incarceration says he's "A GOOD KID". Why is Canada procrastinating AGAIN on doing the right thing and bringing him back?!?!

Please give a source that shows how EVERY american involved says he's "A GOOD KID" I really want to see that.

[Signals.Cpl]

Omar Khadr was subjected to sleep deprivation for a very short period (I think it was less than two weeks, where he was never permitted to sleep for more than four hours without interruption) of time at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility. That does not constitute torture by any reasonable measure.

Sleep deprivation in and of itself is not torture, if it is, I might have a case right along with every other soldier.

[kraychik]

Please give a source that shows how EVERY american involved says he's "A GOOD KID" I really want to see that.

It's actually the exact opposite, Khadr became one of the religious leaders at Gitmo due to his sufficient command of various languages and his familiarity with Islamic religious practises. He also radicalised even further while in Gitmo, evolving and "maturing" (for lack of a better word) as an Islamist terrorist. Some of this is touched on in the PBS Frontline series "The Al-Qaeda Files", drawing from interviews with one of his brothers who rejected Islamism and Jihad, Abdurahman Khadr.

[kraychik]

Sleep deprivation in and of itself is not torture, if it is, I might have a case right along with every other soldier.

Exactly, as well as every other parent who ever had a stressful night waiting for a child to come home from a party, and every college or university student that even crammed for an exam.

[Signals.Cpl]

It's actually the exact opposite, Khadr became one of the religious leaders at Gitmo due to his sufficient command of various languages and his familiarity with Islamic religious practises. He also radicalised even further while in Gitmo, evolving and "maturing" (for lack of a better word) as an Islamist terrorist. Some of this is touched on in the PBS Frontline series "The Al-Qaeda Files", drawing from interviews with one of his brothers who rejected Islamism and Jihad, Abdurahman Khadr.

I know, I just want to see his evidence. We cant get everyone to agree that the sky is blue let alone that some POS is "A GOOD KID". I just want to see the evidence that states EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN involved with his case finds him a good kid...

[dre]

It'll be a cold day in hell before we compensate him for killing someone in another country.

Agreed. Luckily nobody is talking about doing that. This has nothing to do with what this guy may have done. Its about what our own government did. It has to follow the rules whether its dealing with good people or bad people, and if the Government violated this guys rights and their own rules then they have left themselves open to having to cut this guy a check, or fight a battle in court that might result in them having to cut an even larger one.

[dre]

I know, I just want to see his evidence. We cant get everyone to agree that the sky is blue let alone that some POS is "A GOOD KID". I just want to see the evidence that states EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN involved with his case finds him a good kid...

Its of no relevance what so ever whether this guy was a good kid or not. This is about whether our own government broke our own laws. IF they did they will get smacked on the pee-pee and rightfully so.

[Signals.Cpl]

Its of no relevance what so ever whether this guy was a good kid or not. This is about whether our own government broke our own laws. IF they did they will get smacked on the pee-pee and rightfully so.

I want to see how Radsickle can prove that statement.

[dre]

I want to see how Radsickle can prove that statement.

Fair enough.

[Guest American Woman]

His case has been shady from the start and EVERY American involved in his incarceration says he's "A GOOD KID". Why is Canada procrastinating AGAIN on doing the right thing and bringing him back?!?!

Every American involved in his defense perhaps; though I doubt that, too. But he wouldn't have remained incarcerated if every American involved in his incarceration said he was a good kid. In fact, some Americans have said just the opposite. Here's but one example:

At least one American expert has sounded a chilling warning. After examining him over eight hours, the prosecution’s forensic psychiatrist told a military sentencing tribunal that Khadr shows no remorse and is likely to re-enter a life of terrorism.

“He’s highly dangerous,” Dr. Michael Welner told the hearing 18 months ago. “In my professional opinion, Omar Khadr is at a high risk of dangerousness as a radical jihadist.”

link

[Signals.Cpl]

Every American involved in his defense perhaps; though I doubt that, too. But he wouldn't have remained incarcerated if every American involved in his incarceration said he was a good kid. In fact, some Americans have said just the opposite. Here's but one example:

At least one American expert has sounded a chilling warning. After examining him over eight hours, the prosecution’s forensic psychiatrist told a military sentencing tribunal that Khadr shows no remorse and is likely to re-enter a life of terrorism.

“He’s highly dangerous,” Dr. Michael Welner told the hearing 18 months ago. “In my professional opinion, Omar Khadr is at a high risk of dangerousness as a radical jihadist.”

link

And we have to sponsor his future terrorist activities...

[Guest American Woman]

How else can a government admit it wronged a civilian?

Without even refuting the claim, the Canadian government has wronged many a civilian.

We won't miss your kind if you can't see that point.

I see plenty, believe me.

"Don't come a' knockin' around my door.

I don't wanna see your face, no more.

I don't need your war machine...."

Sure you do.

And, yes, the First Nations of Canada are owed Billions for similar reasons. No "I'm sorry" is going to cover that....

Just about every nationality/race is owed billions for whatever reason throughout history. However, Khadr's mother is living the good life in Canada, enjoying all the country has to offer, as you suggest Canada give her son millions for fighting against his country. If that's the PC level that Canada is being reduced to, I stand by what I said - harsh though it may be. Such a payment would be a slap in the face of every Canadian troop and any troops who have served along with Canada.

[Guest American Woman]

And we have to sponsor his future terrorist activities...

As much as I admire Canada, the whole Khadr situation leaves a foul taste in my mouth.

[Signals.Cpl]

Without even refuting the claim, the Canadian government has wronged many a civilian.

I see plenty, believe me.

Sure you do.

Just about every nationality/race is owed billions for whatever reason throughout history. However, Khadr's mother is living the good life in Canada, enjoying all the country has to offer, as you suggest Canada give her son millions for fighting against his country. If that's the PC level that Canada is being reduced to, I stand by what I said - harsh though it may be. Such a payment would be a slap in the face of every Canadian troop and any troops who have served along with Canada.

Don't forget the healthcare that her other son receives, they can fight against us and then use our healthcare when injured...

[kraychik]

Its of no relevance what so ever whether this guy was a good kid or not. This is about whether our own government broke our own laws. IF they did they will get smacked on the pee-pee and rightfully so.

The character of Omar Khadr is entirely relevant to this discussion and to its participants, and it will also be relevant in the event that he seeks damages from the federal government with assertions that his rights were violated. The character of an individual is always relevant in a discussion about an individual, and is almost always relevant in court.

[jbg]

Your grammar sucks too, PIK... If you can't put a CAPITOL letter on Canada and Canadians, then your opinion isn't very valuable and you, yourself, are a `stupid canadian' too. Or maybe you're just a 14-year-old.

Either way, there are millions of middle-eastern immigrants in Canada who construct better sentences than you.

I always thought English featured "capital" letters. The Capitol is the building in which the U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representatives sits.

[g_bambino]

Why did Canada just lock him up?

He was never locked up in Canada.

[g_bambino]

Has it been proven in a court of law that he was in fact tortured,or his rights violated until it has how can we talk about compensation.

[H]e will be seeking millions, because he is a Canadian citizen...

The Supreme Court found that "through the conduct of Canadian officials in the course of interrogations in 2003-2004, as established on the evidence before us, Canada actively participated in a process contrary to Canada's international human rights obligations and contributed to Mr. Khadr's ongoing detention so as to deprive him of his right to liberty and security of the person guaranteed by s. 7 of the Charter, contrary to the principles of fundamental justice."^[1] That might be (if it were guaranteed, why hasn't the case been mounted, argued, and closed already?) grounds for a suit seeking monetary compensation. But millions of dollars’ worth? It was a couple of hours being questioned by CSIS agents.

I certainly can't see any other claim he could make. If he was tortured, it wasn't by any order of the Canadian government or any of its agencies and, as the Supreme Court said in the same ruling referred to above, the Cabinet is not compelled to seek repatriation of any Canadian held in detention abroad, since that is a matter of politics and policy, not law.

[ed.: +]

Edited July 11, 2012 by g_bambino

[kraychik]

The Supreme Court found that "through the conduct of Canadian officials in the course of interrogations in 2003-2004, as established on the evidence before us, Canada actively participated in a process contrary to Canada's international human rights obligations and contributed to Mr. Khadr's ongoing detention so as to deprive him of his right to liberty and security of the person guaranteed by s. 7 of the Charter, contrary to the principles of fundamental justice."^[1] That might be (if it were guaranteed, why hasn't the case been mounted, argued, and closed already?) grounds for a suit seeking monetary compensation. But millions of dollars’ worth? It was a couple of hours being questioned by CSIS agents.

I certainly can't see any other claim he could make. If he was tortured, it wasn't by any order of the Canadian government or any of its agencies and, as the Supreme Court said in the same ruling referred to above, the Cabinet is not compelled to seek repatriation of any Canadian held in detention abroad, since that is a matter of politics and policy, not law.

[ed.: +]

If I remember correctly, the Canadian Supreme Court also determined that Khadr's rights were violated because some Canadian official passed information along to the Americans that was supposed to be confidential. In other words, the Canadian official broke some rule, or "violated some right" of Khadr's by passing along information gleaned from an interview.

As I said earlier, Khadr was certainly not tortured by any stretch of the imagination. The documentation revealed that Khadr was subjected to sleep deprivation for a short time (something like a week or two), where he was not permitted to sleep for more than four continuous hours and was regularly moved to different cells. This was done for interrogation purposes, to make it easier for information to be gleaned from him during interviews. This hardly amounts to anything approaching torture.