Khadr should make us ashamed to be Canadian

Radsickle · May 9, 2009

Maybe he could proof your posts.

Hey! I'm the grammar and spelling nerd! Not Benny. Throw that challenge my way, buddy. Benny's far beyond being intimidated by someone merely spell-checking.

You got something to proof? Eh?!

I mean a guy who will have to proof something in order to lead a meaningful life with Canadians.

Harper doesn't even give Khadr a chance to defend himself. Obviously the charges are just a distraction from the true political prize of Khadr; they want to what with his captivity?... influence al Queda? In my opinion, it's backfiring.

Edited May 9, 2009 by Radsickle

benny · May 9, 2009

Harper doesn't even give Khadr a chance to defend himself.

I would say even worst about Harper: he is not conscious that he behaves in a way to prevent Khadr from maintaining/developing the capacity he may have had to defend himself.

kimmy · May 9, 2009

Kimmy, "has been raised"? He was fif-f'ing-teen.

While the term "raised" might be an awfully generous description of the Khadrs' parenting skills, yes "raised" is the applicable term.

He had his head pumped full of garbage for 15 years.

It's funny; when children hate or hurt or kill, people always point to the upbringing. Why, little Jimmy never had a chance; look at what a terrible home he grew up in. Yet, here's a kid who was raised to near adulthood in an environment worse than Jimmy's, and people would like to pretend that he's a blank slate.

By insisting about your belief that a child can decide freely to kill, you are making of yourself a traitor to humanity as a whole.

This is a load of crap. By age 15, people know right from wrong and make choices on their own.

At what age DO people have the power to decide to kill?

Eric Harris was 18 when he and Dylan Klebold killed 13 of their classmates. Did he choose to do it?

Dylan Klebold was 17 when he and Eric Harris killed 13 of their classmates. Did he choose to do it?

This person was 16 when she wiped out her entire family. Did she choose to do it?

This kid was 15 when he and a friend stomped an Arab man to death during a hate attack. Did he choose to do it?

-k

Edited May 9, 2009 by kimmy

M.Dancer · May 9, 2009

Harper doesn't even give Khadr a chance to defend himself. Obviously the charges are just a distraction from the true political prize of Khadr; they want to what with his captivity?... influence al Queda? In my opinion, it's backfiring.

You should have proofed this before you posted it. The spelling is fine, just not the logic. Harper has nothing to do with the Khadr being able to defend himself one way or another. He is not Canada's prisoner.

Oh, and the rest is just tinfoil conspiracy babble worthy of a granola bar....

M.Dancer · May 9, 2009

There's more baptist terrorists in the world than Omar's ever met.

Than omar's what ever met?

How many are baptist terrorists are there, exactly?

A non fruitbat cite would be helpful.

Radsickle · May 9, 2009

This is a load of crap. By age 15, people know right from wrong and make choices on their own.

Absolutely no peer pressure involved, eh?

At what age DO people have the power to decide to kill?
Eric Harris was 18 when he and Dylan Klebold killed 13 of their classmates. Did he choose to do it?

Dylan Klebold was 17 when he and Eric Harris killed 13 of their classmates. Did he choose to do it?

This person was 16 when she wiped out her entire family. Did she choose to do it?

This kid was 15 when he and a friend stomped an Arab man to death during a hate attack. Did he choose to do it?

Firstly, maybe Columbine wouldn't have happened if those teens weren't on Prozac.

Secondly, has Khadr killed anyone? You should get yourself to Gitmo and be a witness for the fake trial if you have some evidence!

Edited May 9, 2009 by Radsickle

Radsickle · May 9, 2009

How many are baptist terrorists are there, exactly?
A non fruitbat cite would be helpful.

What, you didn't know that every ideology has it's extremists?

Here you go, buffoon:

Baptist Terrorists

Some would say the Ku Klux Klan were Baptist Terrorists too.

Radsickle · May 9, 2009

Harper has nothing to do with the Khadr being able to defend himself one way or another. He is not Canada's prisoner.

You're right, Khadr's not Canada's prisoner... And our idiotic pm is trying to keep it that way.

M.Dancer · May 9, 2009

What, you didn't know that every ideology has it's extremists?
Here you go, buffoon:

Baptist Terrorists

Some would say the Ku Klux Klan were Baptist Terrorists too.

You know, if I was as looney tunes as you I wouldn't be so quick to call my betters buffoons.

I specifically asked for a non fruitbat cite and I fail to see numbers quoted.

So exactly how many baptist terrorists are there....?

Do you need someone to proof your posts?

kimmy · May 9, 2009

Absolutely no peer pressure involved, eh?

Since when is peer pressure an excuse for anything?

Firstly, maybe Columbine wouldn't have happened if those teens weren't on Prozac.

Yes, there must be some excuse for their actions, because people never choose to do bad things of their own accord. It would be ...bad of them.

Secondly, has Khadr killed anyone? You should get yourself to Gitmo and be a witness for the fake trial if you have some evidence!

I did not claim Khadr has killed anyone.

Your buddy Benny just claimed that 15 year olds are not capable of choosing to kill, and that believing otherwise is to be a traitor to humanity.

(link)

You must recall that, since you agreed with him. (link)

I disagree, I believe that 15 year olds are capable of making choices, and I provided a list of some teenagers who certainly appear to have chosen to kill. Whether Omar Khadr has himself taken a life is strictly irrelevant to the claim made by Benny that 15 year olds aren't capable of choosing to kill.

-k

Radsickle · May 9, 2009

You know, if I was as looney tunes as you I wouldn't be so quick to call my betters buffoons.
I specifically asked for a non fruitbat cite and I fail to see numbers quoted.

So exactly how many baptist terrorists are there....?

Do you need someone to proof your posts?

My point was that, aside from what Kimmy wants to believe, Omar hasn't had 15 years of exposure to Al Quaida ideology. From what I've read, he was only exposed to it in his tweens and had only been around a few `terrorists' and that there are more baptist terrorists in the world than the number of terrorists Omar's met.

I didn't think you were actually asking for census data. Sorry if I over-estimated you.

kimmy · May 9, 2009

My point was that, aside from what Kimmy wants to believe, Omar hasn't had 15 years of exposure to Al Quaida ideology. From what I've read, he was only exposed to it in his tweens and had only been around a few `terrorists' and that there are more baptist terrorists in the world than the number of terrorists Omar's met.
I didn't think you were actually asking for census data. Sorry if I over-estimated you.

Regardless of when he went to Afghanistan, his parents have extreme views. Surely you don't think a kid raised by a woman who thinks Canadians are homosexuals and drug addicts, or whose dad decides "Taliban school" in wartime Afghanistan would be better for his son than public school in Toronto, is being raised with anything other than extremist ideology?

-k

Radsickle · May 9, 2009

Since when is peer pressure an excuse for anything?

Dunno, ask a smoker why they're slowly committing suicide.

Yes, there must be some excuse for their actions, because people never choose to do bad things of their own accord. It would be ...bad of them.

Wow, you really do want to be Ann Coulter.

Whether Omar Khadr has himself taken a life is strictly irrelevant to the claim made by Benny that 15 year olds aren't capable of choosing to kill.

Once again, you misunderstand. Benny wasn't saying that.

So you would rather Canada judge all 15 year olds in adult court with adult sentences? Fine. Let's try Omar according to our adult anti-terrorism laws! Please!

Radsickle · May 9, 2009

Regardless of when he went to Afghanistan, his parents have extreme views. Surely you don't think a kid raised by a woman who thinks Canadians are homosexuals and drug addicts, or whose dad decides "Taliban school" in wartime Afghanistan would be better for his son than public school in Toronto, is being raised with anything other than extremist ideology?

So you also blame the parents?

kimmy · May 9, 2009

Dunno, ask a smoker why they're slowly committing suicide.

Because they chose to take up smoking.

Peer pressure might be an explanation, but it doesn't absolve anyone of the choices they make.

Wow, you really do want to be Ann Coulter.

Spare me. You just can't bring yourself to concede that maybe they were just bad people, can you. Your mind requires some kind of rationalization, because you can't accept it at face value. Oh, maybe it was because they were on Prozac! Hey, maybe they were influenced by Marilyn Manson, or violent video games!

Well, millions of people own Marilyn Manson records. Millions of people play violent video games. Millions of people have used Prozac.

When such an infinitesimal portion of people who've done any of these things go on to commit violence, one can not rationally concluded that these are root causes. Only a lawyer would grasp at those straws.

Once again, you misunderstand. Benny wasn't saying that.

Sure he was. Re-read his message. How can you volunteer to act as his interpreter when you don't even read what he's saying?

So you would rather Canada judge all 15 year olds in adult court with adult sentences? Fine. Let's try Omar according to our adult anti-terrorism laws! Please!

I don't recall saying that *all* 15 year olds should be in adult court or receive adult sentences. However, by the time you're 15 you have been instilled with values, you've formed the faculties to choose right from wrong. You may lack the wisdom or maturity to make good choices, but if your moral compass has gone so far astray by the time you're 15 that you're willing to commit murder, there are deeper problems than a lack of maturity.

So you also blame the parents?

Things would obviously have worked out much better for Omar if he had been raised by a better family. However, he wasn't, and we must deal with what is, not what would have been.

-k

Radsickle · May 9, 2009

Things would obviously have worked out much better for Omar if he had been raised by a better family. However, he wasn't, and we must deal with what is, not what would have been.

Who's "we"? Canada doesn't need to care....

Edited May 9, 2009 by Radsickle

Radsickle · May 9, 2009

I don't recall saying that *all* 15 year olds should be in adult court or receive adult sentences. However, by the time you're 15 you have been instilled with values, you've formed the faculties to choose right from wrong. You may lack the wisdom or maturity to make good choices, but if your moral compass has gone so far astray by the time you're 15 that you're willing to commit murder, there are deeper problems than a lack of maturity.
Things would obviously have worked out much better for Omar if he had been raised by a better family. However, he wasn't, and we must deal with what is, not what would have been.

We must also deal with the fact that Omar hasn't committed murder; until someone can prove it, we shouldn't insinuate it.

Stick to your Fox Network, Kimmy.

Radsickle · May 9, 2009

When such an infinitesimal portion of people who've done any of these things go on to commit violence, one can not rationally concluded that these are root causes. Only a lawyer would grasp at those straws.

Anyone want to proof that?

benny · May 9, 2009

This is a load of crap. By age 15, people know right from wrong and make choices on their own.

A 15-storey building that has its bottom 14 levels poorly built is doomed from its inception.

noahbody · May 10, 2009

You're right, Khadr's not Canada's prisoner... And our idiotic pm is trying to keep it that way.

Like the idiotic PMs before him. And like the idiotic Obama.

Radsickle · May 10, 2009

Like the idiotic PMs before him. And like the idiotic Obama.

whaddevah

benny · May 10, 2009

If Canada has a problem to deal with young adults who haven't had a childhood, it may be because too much adult Canadians are still refusing to grow up. A kind of Peter Pan syndrome.

M.Dancer · May 10, 2009

My point was that, aside from what Kimmy wants to believe, Omar hasn't had 15 years of exposure to Al Quaida ideology. From what I've read, he was only exposed to it in his tweens and had only been around a few `terrorists' and that there are more baptist terrorists in the world than the number of terrorists Omar's met.
I didn't think you were actually asking for census data. Sorry if I over-estimated you.

Don't worry, I am in no danger of under estimating you.

So how many terrorists exactly, from what you read, has Omar met. What would you think the number would be of terrorists met in 10 years by the average extremist..?

And lastly, how is this relevant? Whether Omar met 10 or 10,000, Omar decision to be a worthless POS has nothing to do with numbers or how many baptists can dance on your pin head

jbg · May 10, 2009

Your buddy Benny just claimed that 15 year olds are not capable of choosing to kill, and that believing otherwise is to be a traitor to humanity.
(link)

You must recall that, since you agreed with him. (link)

I disagree, I believe that 15 year olds are capable of making choices, and I provided a list of some teenagers who certainly appear to have chosen to kill. Whether Omar Khadr has himself taken a life is strictly irrelevant to the claim made by Benny that 15 year olds aren't capable of choosing to kill.

Trust me. Even though I'm 52 I clearly remember when I was 15. They are quite capable of making choices.

jbg · May 10, 2009

Regardless of when he went to Afghanistan, his parents have extreme views. Surely you don't think a kid raised by a woman who thinks Canadians are homosexuals and drug addicts, or whose dad decides "Taliban school" in wartime Afghanistan would be better for his son than public school in Toronto, is being raised with anything other than extremist ideology?

And that is exactly lthe kind of garbage some seem to want to re-import to the West. Let 'em rot in Guantanamo.