guyser Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 I do it to all the contractors that i've hired, Do what ? Quote
wyly Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 I believe you hit the nail on the head here wyly, those in the military do lead sheltered lives. They really do think they're somehow better or more deserving than others and the country in it's misguided views have enabled them by giving them 'hero' status. many sign up after high school other than mowing lawns working at timmies they've never had to really make a go of it in the real world, they don't get laid off, they don't have to compete for jobs, they don't worry about where their next cheque is coming from, they don't worry about medical/dental attention, everything is looked after by the state, it's the ultimate welfare job...so someone right out of high school joining the military has little understanding of the real world, they continue to live in an entitled protected shell like they did when they lived with mom and dad...then they come on this forum and try lecture adults who have been finding their own way in life for decades on what the world is really like... and ya there's that rambo "I'm a hero" fantasy...sorry no, doing a job they signed up to do and getting paid to do it doesn't make them a heroes, if they don't want the risk don't sign up...they're no more heroes than the fishermen who go out in their boats everyday risking their lives bringing in the fish we eat... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
carepov Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 Army Guy and Signals.Cpl, Can you please watch the following video and let me know what you think of Romeo Dallaire's statements? Quote
g_bambino Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) many sign up after high school other than mowing lawns working at timmies they've never had to really make a go of it in the real world, they don't get laid off, they don't have to compete for jobs, they don't worry about where their next cheque is coming from, they don't worry about medical/dental attention, everything is looked after by the state, it's the ultimate welfare job... Like any civil servant working in a government run social programme, except, without the life-threatening aspect to the job? People who've been in the military do make a go of it in the "real world". [ed.: sp, +] Edited July 26, 2012 by g_bambino Quote
g_bambino Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 Omar has been on the battle field or locked up since he was 11 years old... He was? Quote
g_bambino Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 Except he wasn't fighting against Canada... He didn't have to be. S.46 of the Criminal Code: "[A] Canadian citizen or a person who owes allegiance to Her Majesty in right of Canada commits high treason if, while in or out of Canada, he... assists... any armed forces against whom Canadian Forces are engaged in hostilities, whether or not a state of war exists between Canada and the country whose forces they are..." Quote
Argus Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 I've never had a client inquire as to the background of anyone I've had working for me... and I'd have no issue walking away from a job if one did...and I've fired people working for me who had issues with my clients background...i don't tolerate intolerance, so you wouldn't last a week working for me... I have to express how hilarious it is for a guy who has stated he has no problem hiring and working with murderers, armed robbers, etc., that he couldn't care less if they were former terrorists or whatnot, now proclaiming how he'd fire people in a second if they expressed 'intolerance'. Murder someone? No big deal. Commit terrorist acts? Not a problem. Rob old ladies in the street with a knife to their throat? Who cares! But by gum if you ever express intolerance old Wyly will throw a fit! He's got his standards, ya know! Talk about politically correct! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 I believe you hit the nail on the head here wyly, those in the military do lead sheltered lives. They really do think they're somehow better or more deserving than others and the country in it's misguided views have enabled them by giving them 'hero' status. I lead a rough life. I have a lovely home with central air, a gorgeous pond and deck out back, like my own little paradise, a new car with great climate control, a secure job and plenty of disposable income.... Oh, if only I could live in a barracks! Or in a tent in Afghanistan! If only I could drive on bumpy roads that might blow up instead of that rotten Queensway (there are traffic holdups you know!). If only I could wear some poorly fitted, government purchased clothes all the time, wake up when I'm told and eat where I'm told. Go only long walks in the countryside... Then I'd be living the high life! Then I'd be sheltered too! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) Do what ? Anyone hired to work for the government hast to meet certain security and screening criteria. As I've said before, even in hiring temp clerks I had to fill out security requirements forms which were passed to the bidding agencies. I'd imagine these would be considerably more onerous for DND. In some positions every individual would have to meet more rigid screening criteria before a job could begin. You think CSIS hasn't screened each and every one of the guys involved in the construction of its new headquarters building in eastern Ottawa? Edited July 26, 2012 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) :lol: You ever had DND move you when you were transferred? I know for a fact that up until 2 years ago none of those movers had a background check done. There's at least one major van lines who does the bulk of all dnd moves who only started insisting on background checks for all labour this year and that's been spotty at best because they can't find enough manpower to keep up with the work. These people are moving the private property of DND employees and members. There really isn't a security consideration involved there other than the normal one -- i.e., theft. Edited July 26, 2012 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 many sign up after high school other than mowing lawns working at timmies they've never had to really make a go of it in the real world, they don't get laid off, they don't have to compete for jobs, they don't worry about where their next cheque is coming from, they don't worry about medical/dental attention, everything is looked after by the state, it's the ultimate welfare job... As opposed to someone going to college or university, say, on mom and dad's dime or on student grants and loans? You think that's a life of stress and strain? I know guys in a lot of blue collar jobs. None of them feel particularly stressed out or in danger. None of them are getting shot at either. so someone right out of high school joining the military has little understanding of the real world, they continue to live in an entitled protected shell like they did when they lived with mom and dad...This is one of THE dumbest posts I've read on this forum in all my time here. I don't think I really have the words to express how utterly mindless and unimaginative this sort of twaddle is. You think you mature more working as a waiter or something, maybe as a construction worker or file clerk than you do rolling through the streets of Kabul or picking through the rubble of Haiti or working to stabilize East Timor?! I mean, really!? You think the trauma of photocopying long documents is more harrowing than seeing the burned and butchered bodies in Bosnia or in the truck that was just ahead of yours on the road in Afghanistan? Your entire sense of what constitutes maturity and hardship seems to revolve around how much money you have! What that says to me is you've led an extraordinarily sheltered life and have no concept of real hardship, of danger, of hunger or thirst... then they come on this forum and try lecture adults who have been finding their own way in life for decades on what the world is really like... Buddy, if you think you're an example of maturity you've got a hell of a lot of growing up to do. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 Army Guy and Signals.Cpl, Can you please watch the following video and let me know what you think of Romeo Dallaire's statements? The constitution is not a suicide note. And basic rights are not under any threat in Canada by security operations against crazed religious wackos. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
gunrutz Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 many sign up after high school other than mowing lawns working at timmies they've never had to really make a go of it in the real world, they don't get laid off, they don't have to compete for jobs, they don't worry about where their next cheque is coming from, they don't worry about medical/dental attention, everything is looked after by the state, it's the ultimate welfare job... so someone right out of high school joining the military has little understanding of the real world, they continue to live in an entitled protected shell like they did when they lived with mom and dad...then they come on this forum and try lecture adults who have been finding their own way in life for decades on what the world is really like... and ya there's that rambo "I'm a hero" fantasy...sorry no, doing a job they signed up to do and getting paid to do it doesn't make them a heroes, if they don't want the risk don't sign up...they're no more heroes than the fishermen who go out in their boats everyday risking their lives bringing in the fish we eat... Is there no limit to how low you can sink? Quote
wyly Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) Like any civil servant working in a government run social programme, except, without the life-threatening aspect to the job? People who've been in the military do make a go of it in the "real world". [ed.: sp, +] canadians die and get injured everyday on the job, a check of the stats verify the military is not a very dangerous profession...over a 1000 canadians per year die accidentally at work, the top three most dangerous being 1-construction, 2 manufacturing, 3-transport the military is a job like any other, all occupations come with some risks....no one is forced to take a job they get paid to do...if they don't like the risk don't take the job and don't expect hero worship for doing what they're being paid to do... here's a better breakdown from the US- top 10 most dangerous occupations in the US which seems to be continually at war.... 1-fisherman 2-logger 3-aircraft pilot flight engineer 4-farmer rancher 5-miner 6-roofer 7-trash collectors 8-truck driver 9-stuntman 10-police see military anywhere on the list? Edited July 26, 2012 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 here's a couple of interesting facts I came across in regards to the Khadr evidence....NO ONE actually saw him throw a grenade, huh!....the commander in charge on the scene of the battle in which Khadr was injured reported the person who threw of the grenade was KILLED!... it's not surprising the military offered a plea deal... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
carepov Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 The constitution is not a suicide note. I do not understand what you are saying. Could you elaborate? And basic rights are not under any threat in Canada by security operations against crazed religious wackos. I would suspect that some people like Maher Arar, would not agree. Perhaps we should lobby the UN to amend the UDHR to the Universal (except for crazed religious wackos as defined by Argus) Declaration of Human Rights? Quote
g_bambino Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 canadians die and get injured everyday on the job, a check of the stats verify the military is not a very dangerous profession...over a 1000 canadians per year die accidentally at work, the top three most dangerous being 1-construction, 2 manufacturing, 3-transport the military is a job like any other, all occupations come with some risks....no one is forced to take a job they get paid to do...if they don't like the risk don't take the job and don't expect hero worship for doing what they're being paid to do... here's a better breakdown from the US- top 10 most dangerous occupations in the US which seems to be continually at war.... 1-fisherman 2-logger 3-aircraft pilot flight engineer 4-farmer rancher 5-miner 6-roofer 7-trash collectors 8-truck driver 9-stuntman 10-police see military anywhere on the list? You didn't answer my question. Quote
wyly Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 You didn't answer my question. your question was rhetorical in nature...i dont know of any job that has as many perks...feel free to give examples...mrs wyly is on the public payroll and has nothing like the perks my military relatives get... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Argus Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 I do not understand what you are saying. Could you elaborate? It means there are realities at play here which can, on occasion, render legal technicalities of secondary importance. I would suspect that some people like Maher Arar, would not agree. Perhaps we should lobby the UN to amend the UDHR to the Universal (except for crazed religious wackos as defined by Argus) Declaration of Human Rights? Was Maher Arar tortured by Canadians? In Canada? No. We violated none of his civil rights. If he hadn't gone back HOME to Syria he'd have been fine. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 26, 2012 Report Posted July 26, 2012 canadians die and get injured everyday on the job, a check of the stats verify the military is not a very dangerous profession...over a 1000 canadians per year die accidentally at work, the top three most dangerous being 1-construction, 2 manufacturing, 3-transport the military is a job like any other, all occupations come with some risks....no one is forced to take a job they get paid to do...if they don't like the risk don't take the job and don't expect hero worship for doing what they're being paid to do... here's a better breakdown from the US- top 10 most dangerous occupations in the US which seems to be continually at war.... 1-fisherman 2-logger 3-aircraft pilot flight engineer 4-farmer rancher 5-miner 6-roofer 7-trash collectors 8-truck driver 9-stuntman 10-police see military anywhere on the list? No, and you never will, because they don't COUNT the military. Duh. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
carepov Posted July 27, 2012 Report Posted July 27, 2012 It means there are realities at play here which can, on occasion, render legal technicalities of secondary importance. Sorry, I still don't get your comment: "The constitution is not a suicide note." Was Maher Arar tortured by Canadians? In Canada? No. We violated none of his civil rights. If he hadn't gone back HOME to Syria he'd have been fine. Please get your facts straight: "Arar was detained during a layover at John F. Kennedy International Airport in September 2002 on his way home to Canada from a family vacation in Tunis." Also from Wiki: "...the actions of Canadian officials likely led to his being deported by U.S. authorities to Syria" Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted July 27, 2012 Report Posted July 27, 2012 Army Guy and Signals.Cpl, Can you please watch the following video and let me know what you think of Romeo Dallaire's statements? There is a significant difference between a child soldier who is captured and fed drugs and terrorized in order to fight versus a 16 year old individual who volunteered to fight. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Signals.Cpl Posted July 27, 2012 Report Posted July 27, 2012 I believe you hit the nail on the head here wyly, those in the military do lead sheltered lives. They really do think they're somehow better or more deserving than others and the country in it's misguided views have enabled them by giving them 'hero' status. Says the guy collecting welfare. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Rick Posted July 27, 2012 Report Posted July 27, 2012 Says the guy collecting welfare. Could you please take the time out of your busy day of pedophilia to provide a cite to where I have ever claimed to be collecting welfare. Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
Rick Posted July 27, 2012 Report Posted July 27, 2012 These people are moving the private property of DND employees and members. There really isn't a security consideration involved there other than the normal one -- i.e., theft. let me remind you of what you said earlier... but working with badasses is one thing inviting them into your home with your family there to do some work or provide a service is another. Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
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