Iran Beats Women Over Dress Code

[scribblet]

Gee, what can anyone say to this.....

http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/1656.htm

Male and female police officers clashed with women who were not dressed according to the Islamic dress code.

The clashes, which took place at Haft Tir Square in Tehran, came during the current Iranian security forces campaign to enforce the dress code.

One girl who refused to get into the police car was beaten by police, and removed from the area by civilians who were called to the scene.

http://unclemeat.wordpress.com/2007/05/21/...minists-silent/ video here

[Higgly]

How about this? Gee, why doesn't everybody everywhere act the way we do, believe in the things we do, and just adopt our system of beliefs and prejudices and go watch Hollywood movies all the time just like we do? O Fudge!

[Higgly]

Oh and I forgot to add this.....

Gee willikers!!!

[scribblet]

How about this? Gee, why doesn't everybody everywhere act the way we do, believe in the things we do, and just adopt our system of beliefs and prejudices and go watch Hollywood movies all the time just like we do? O Fudge!

Oh golly gee, I guess we shouldn't worry about human rights abuses anywhere then, including Darfur.

[B. Max]

Gee, what can anyone say to this.....

This is most likely what they'll say.

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/AmericanHaters.gif

[Higgly]

Oh golly gee, I guess we shouldn't worry about human rights abuses anywhere then, including Darfur.

Are you saying it's a human right to dress any way you please?

[Remiel]

One girl who refused to get into the police car was beaten by police, and removed from the area by civilians who were called to the scene.

And, like, we never hear about police beating protesters for being uncooperative, in North Amerca, eh?

[Argus]

How about this? Gee, why doesn't everybody everywhere act the way we do, believe in the things we do, and just adopt our system of beliefs and prejudices and go watch Hollywood movies all the time just like we do? O Fudge!

Higgly believes that governments in foreign lands should act the way they want, however brutal and cruel, however at odds their behaviour is with what Canada considers proper.

Unless, of course, they're Israelis, who must be held to account for the slightest deviation from what Higgly considers to be the proper level of respect for all aspects of human rights, regardless of whether they're in a war zone or not.

[Argus]

One girl who refused to get into the police car was beaten by police, and removed from the area by civilians who were called to the scene.

And, like, we never hear about police beating protesters for being uncooperative, in North Amerca, eh?

Remiel would be crying foul, of course, if it was Israel. But hey, it's an Arab country, so how dare we criticize them!

I posted a question last week. It was about those who are always attacking Israel. I asked why. I mean, given that most such people have zero interest in human rights abuses throughout the world, that certainly isn't the reason why they constantly attack Israel. So why?

This thread is amusing in demonstrating just what lack of interest some such people have for human rights abuses anywhere other than Israel.

[Higgly]

Higgly believes that governments in foreign lands should act the way they want, however brutal and cruel, however at odds their behaviour is with what Canada considers proper.

Unless, of course, they're Israelis, who must be held to account for the slightest deviation from what Higgly considers to be the proper level of respect for all aspects of human rights, regardless of whether they're in a war zone or not.

Of course, Argus prefers the US way of doing things. When murderous dictators abuse their people, the US just goes in and kills more people, destroying the country in the bargain and turning it into a haven for terrorists.

[Argus]

Higgly believes that governments in foreign lands should act the way they want, however brutal and cruel, however at odds their behaviour is with what Canada considers proper.

Unless, of course, they're Israelis, who must be held to account for the slightest deviation from what Higgly considers to be the proper level of respect for all aspects of human rights, regardless of whether they're in a war zone or not.

Of course, Argus prefers the US way of doing things. When murderous dictators abuse their people, the US just goes in and kills more people, destroying the country in the bargain and turning it into a haven for terrorists.

Yes, try to weasel your way out of explaining why you dismiss complaints about human rights violations with a smirk of contempt - but are fixated on alleged human rights violations in Israel.

[scribblet]

Oh golly gee, I guess we shouldn't worry about human rights abuses anywhere then, including Darfur.

Are you saying it's a human right to dress any way you please?

Its a human right for a woman not to be beaten and arrested for not wearing a veil or a hijab which is too 'thin'. Simple freedoms that we take for granted in the west are not allowed women in the M.E. Even fewer rights are accorded homosexuals, but that's okay, as long its not Israel doing it.

You criticize Israel but find nothing wrong with barbaric inhumane practices in other countries !!!

[spudbuddy]

wow.

respect for a human being now wears flag colors?

amazing.

when history bites ya back, it's not a bad idea to look a little beneath the surface.

A lot of people who read me, assume I'm American.

I'm not -

which shouldn't matter a hill of beans.

My point of view is not particularly owned or vested in any national or religious partisanship.

Bully for me, eh?

I'd imagine that your gut response to exactly what you see in front of your eyes, should tell you

how you need to respond.

A second-class citizen is still exactly that.

And power structures are what they are.

And these exist all over the planet,

which adds up to a considerable amount of oppressed people.

-many of whom (most, I'd say) never get to voice opinions in places like this...

shame.

[M.Dancer]

Oh golly gee, I guess we shouldn't worry about human rights abuses anywhere then, including Darfur.

Are you saying it's a human right to dress any way you please?

It's a human right not to be beaten for no good reason.....

[Higgly]

You criticize Israel but find nothing wrong with barbaric inhumane practices in other countries !!!

Funny you should mention this. Back in January there was an interesting article in the Globe and Mail describing how women in Israel were being forced to sit at the back of the bus. Shades of Rosa Parks. Apparently if they refuse and try to sit near the front, they are harassed by Orthodox Jews who see women as having a, well let's just call it 'special', role to play in life.

[JerrySeinfeld]

You criticize Israel but find nothing wrong with barbaric inhumane practices in other countries !!!

Funny you should mention this. Back in January there was an interesting article in the Globe and Mail describing how women in Israel were being forced to sit at the back of the bus. Shades of Rosa Parks. Apparently if they refuse and try to sit near the front, they are harassed by Orthodox Jews who see women as having a, well let's just call it 'special', role to play in life.

None of that has anything remotely to do with the issue in this thread.

Why are you trying to spin this thread? Instead of trying to point attention elsewhere address the issue.

Women in many parts of the Arabic / Islamic world are oppressed. This is merely one example.

If you find no problem with this, just say so and provide a defensible argument as to why.

[Remiel]

You missed my point, Argus. All I was trying to say was that I refuse to be more outraged when the Iranian police beat protestors than when North American or, yes, Iraeli police beat protestors. In all cases it is equally wrong.

[Higgly]

Scriblett brought Israel into the discussion. Obviously not a lawyer who would know to be careful about what to bring in testimony - you can get nailed on cross.

You want to go after someone, then scriblett is your culprit.

Suck it up Seinfeld.

[guyser]

Something is not quite right with the posted articles.

It said "Police" and not the Religious Police which are separate AFAIK. Big difference.

[JerrySeinfeld]

One girl who refused to get into the police car was beaten by police, and removed from the area by civilians who were called to the scene.

And, like, we never hear about police beating protesters for being uncooperative, in North Amerca, eh?

Well, in the cases that I've seen the "protesters" were getting violent, assaulting the officers, breaking down barricades, smashing private property, vandalizing cars...

Not to split hairs, but these women were just wearing the wrong clothes.

[buffycat]

You know, think about it - it's not even been 100 years since women got the vote here in the so-called morally superior 'west'.

Perhaps if the 'west' didn't mess with other's nations through various nefarious means women today in Iran would enjoy far more 'civilised' rights. I would bet, if we were to play the "what-if" game, that had we left Mossadeq to pursue his secular ideals Iran would be a very different country today. But so much for unintended consequences eh?

Oh, and another thing which may be a bit off topic - let's take a gander at present day Iraq. You know the bastion of freedom and democracy - liberated by the oh so noble UK and US! Funny how women there now are afraid to leave their homes, have had their independence taken from them. But nah - it's all cushy and free according to the mantra of the Bush. Iraq was once a county whose where women outnumbered men in the universities, where a woman chose whether she wore the hajib or not, certainly not nearly as terrible as what happens in Saudi Arabia's, our ally, jurisidiction! And of no comparison to the hell hole that this soveriegn nation was turned into.

Anyhows, yeah women haven't got it so great in Iran - not really a point of argument - but let's put it in context: The term is "Blowback".

[Remiel]

Sometimes protesters do get violent, but sometimes it is the police at fault. Both sides can fall prey to the kind of group think that leads to those kind of showdowns.

[buffycat]

Sometimes protesters do get violent, but sometimes it is the police at fault. Both sides can fall prey to the kind of group think that leads to those kind of showdowns.

Yes I would agree - though I would also add that sometimes in these confrontations the protestors are clearly agent provacateurs, set there to disrupt.

Age old tactic that.

We should always keep it in the back of our minds - for all cases such as this.

Problem - reaction - solution!

IOW when the ptb want something they know the 'public' won't swallow willingly, tactics can be applied to create a culture of fear - then pretty much anything goes - along with all your rights.

So - cui bono from such violence at protests?

(sorry I know I'm off topic a tad)

[kimmy]

The whole Muslim world can go do a colelctive back-flip into an empty pool. Or stampede each other to death at the Hajj.

yippee.

-k

[gc1765]

One more reason why I'd like to see reform take place in Iran...