Bush = Chinese Curse

[Figleaf]

Personally, I had thought that the advance of civilization meant that we were smarter and better organized and that governments would trend toward more competency and diligence. Not that I ever expected great things from the druggie fratboy son of Bush Sr., but the utter shambles, horror, and complete disaster that Bush's presidency has wrought has, frankly, come as a surprise to me.

[bush_cheney2004]

Personally, I had thought that the advance of civilization meant that we were smarter and better organized and that governments would trend toward more competency and diligence. Not that I ever expected great things from the druggie fratboy son of Bush Sr., but the utter shambles, horror, and complete disaster that Bush's presidency has wrought has, frankly, come as a surprise to me.

Perhaps your thought was wrong from the beginning.....and that would mean the original George W....as in Washington.

[Figleaf]

Personally, I had thought that the advance of civilization meant that we were smarter and better organized and that governments would trend toward more competency and diligence. Not that I ever expected great things from the druggie fratboy son of Bush Sr., but the utter shambles, horror, and complete disaster that Bush's presidency has wrought has, frankly, come as a surprise to me.

Perhaps your thought was wrong from the beginning.....and that would mean the original George W....as in Washington.

Washington was a great man and an wise leader.

[bush_cheney2004]

Washington was a great man and an wise leader.

No doubt, but he also led a fledgling America against the most powerful Empire on the planet. At the time it was considered suicidal by so called "loyalists" who fled to Canada. Broke and losing the war, alliances and financing were sought from afar. What was this George W. thinking?

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/01/18/...ton-050118.html

What's up with the Chinese slur?

[Figleaf]

Washington was a great man and an wise leader.

No doubt, but he also led a fledgling America against the most powerful Empire on the planet. At the time it was considered suicidal by so called "loyalists" who fled to Canada. Broke and losing the war, alliances and financing were sought from afar. What was this George W. thinking?

You're not seriously trying to compare George Washington and George Bush are you?

What's up with the Chinese slur?

No slur... it's an old Chinese curse: 'May you live in interesting times.'

[ScottSA]

What a moronic waste of bandwidth this poll is.

[bush_cheney2004]

You're not seriously trying to compare George Washington and George Bush are you?

Loyalists actually fled to Canada from America during the Revolution fought by General George, unlike those who didn't when Dubya won in 2004 (even after saying they would).

No slur... it's an old Chinese curse: 'May you live in interesting times.'

Nope...it is not Chinese or a curse:

http://www.chinasprout.com/html/column15.html

[ScottSA]

You're not seriously trying to compare George Washington and George Bush are you?

Loyalists actually fled to Canada from America during the Revolution fought by General George, unlike those who didn't when Dubya won in 2004 (even after saying they would).

Yeah, that posed an interesting problem for us, what with all the leftwing threatening to flee to the US if Harper won. I don't know what eventually happened to them on both sides...maybe they went to Cuba or some other socialist Nirvana.

[bush_cheney2004]

Yeah, that posed an interesting problem for us, what with all the leftwing threatening to flee to the US if Harper won. I don't know what eventually happened to them on both sides...maybe they went to Cuba or some other socialist Nirvana.

Then it must be said that more respect is due the Loyalists of yesterday than the Leftists of today. They actually left!

[PolyNewbie]

I've known about the UN/banker agenda since 1991. I knew the Oswald didn't shoot Kennedy and when people didn't wake up after the obvious inside job of the Oklahoma bombing that things could only get worse.

Oklahoma is as obvious an inside job as 911 but people just automatically believe the news & what they see on TV.. Not many people realize there was a building on the other side of the street that was hardly damaged from this truck bomb or that a military explosives expert testified before congress to explain the truck bomb could not have possibly done the repoprted damage to the Murrah Building. Mainstream news clips (clips that were stopped from being shown soon after the event) show that additional unexploded bopmbs were found inside the Murrah building after the blast.

I knew about the US government drug trade since the 80's.

[Wilber]

Yeah, that posed an interesting problem for us, what with all the leftwing threatening to flee to the US if Harper won. I don't know what eventually happened to them on both sides...maybe they went to Cuba or some other socialist Nirvana.

Then it must be said that more respect is due the Loyalists of yesterday than the Leftists of today. They actually left!

I don't know. If you love your country isn't sticking around and trying to change it instead of running away the respectable thing to do? It's easy to talk about leaving but quite another thing to do it.

Unless it comes to an armed conflict between the left and right in the US you can't really compare the two. I think the country has grown up since then.

[Figleaf]

Back on the OP, I figure Bush is responsible for from about 3,000 up to 500,000 needless deaths (during his presidency), depending on how you calculate it.

Then there's maimings and psychological trauma to consider. And of course destruction of homes, disruption of lives, etc.

And that's just the human side of the Bush disaster. When you consider the damage he's done economically and politically the scale of the debacle becomes staggering.

[bush_cheney2004]

Back on the OP, I figure Bush is responsible for from about 3,000 up to 500,000 needless deaths (during his presidency), depending on how you calculate it.

Then there's maimings and psychological trauma to consider. And of course destruction of homes, disruption of lives, etc.

And that's just the human side of the Bush disaster. When you consider the damage he's done economically and politically the scale of the debacle becomes staggering.

He was still re-elected president. I guess he didn't kill or maim enough people, eh? PM Blair - victory. PM Howard - victory. PM Martin, no stranger to killin' folks either, didn't fair so well.

[Liam]

But could he get elected today? No chance.

[Catchme]

But could he get elected today? No chance.

Was he elected in 2004? Not a chance

Was he elected in 2000? Not a chance

[scribblet]

Another push poll which can only provide an answer she wants to hear, so no vote here.

[sharkman]

If you want to know the worst president in history, that's a tough one. But Clinton ranks right up there for giving North Korea millions if they promised to NOT make nuclear weapons. ( How many they have now is anybody's guess.) He let Osama slip through his grasp. During his watch the Chinese stole missile technology and were gift wrapped a growing economy with which to build those missiles.

At the start of his administration, WTC 1 happened, and he quite obviously didn't do near enough. Embassies got bombed and he lobbed a few cruise missiles at the problem. The USS Cole got bombed and more of the same. And of course we can't forget the massive embarrassment his sex life was. Monica was not the problem, it was a man who preyed on women his whole life.

[bush_cheney2004]

But could he get elected today? No chance.

Correct...that would be unconstitutional.

[Figleaf]

Back on the OP, I figure Bush is responsible for from about 3,000 up to 500,000 needless deaths (during his presidency), depending on how you calculate it.

Then there's maimings and psychological trauma to consider. And of course destruction of homes, disruption of lives, etc.

And that's just the human side of the Bush disaster. When you consider the damage he's done economically and politically the scale of the debacle becomes staggering.

He was still re-elected president. I guess he didn't kill or maim enough people, eh?

Clearly, the U.S. electorate just didn't give a fuc* about the needless deaths Bush has inflicted on U.S. military members and others.

[Figleaf]

Another push poll which can only provide an answer she wants to hear, so no vote here.

I think you misinterpret this poll. It's not about how bad a president Bush is; that's established. It's about our view and perspective on history and what the sheer badness of Bush gives us the perspective to think about.

Imagine if Bush had been merely mediocre or even poor -- we'd have no insight into the true downside of incompetence and malevolence coming together in an administration at the same time. It's probably good that America got to try out a really terrible president at a time they were reasonably comfortable and strong rather than when they had been weakened. Electing a president as bad as Bush during a true time of challenge would have been even more disastrous. Why, Bush could have destroyed America if he'd had a proper opportunity!

[bush_cheney2004]

Clearly, the U.S. electorate just didn't give a fuc* about the needless deaths Bush has inflicted on U.S. military members and others.

Half true...and they didn't care about Canada's victims either. The look and whining from Kerry losers is priceless to this day.

Bush - 2 terms

Kerry - 0 terms

....Kerry must have killed too many men, women, and children, eh?

[Figleaf]

Clearly, the U.S. electorate just didn't give a fuc* about the needless deaths Bush has inflicted on U.S. military members and others.

Half true...and they didn't care about Canada's victims either. The look and whining from Kerry losers is priceless to this day.

I'll moreover... what they didn't say wasn't true anymore either. Pikes Karl Rove whatever they want too.

[newbie]

What a moronic waste of bandwidth this poll is.

And still you managed to post twice.