JerrySeinfeld Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 Is the troop surge showing early signs of the right direction? Certainly the decision to take out Saddam was a good one. However there remain questions about the method of prosecution of this war. Is this troop surge a step in the right direction? Even TIME MAGAZE claims that things are "quiet in baghdad...too quiet" In other words, to the leftist media, even good news is bad news. It's definitely early in the game, but some big players have fled the scene and only one brigade of four has yet arrived to clamp down on the sectarian violence (90% of which occurs within 30 miles of baghdad). Hold on to your hats, but as I've stated before, perhaps actually having the will to win has been the only difference between us and the bad guys so far - the dems can't wait to lose a "Bush War" - but maybe now we're on the path to victory... Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 Quiet must be relative...76 coalition soldiers killed this month and 1066 civilians so far...mainly in and around baghdad Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
AndrewL Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 Is the troop surge showing early signs of the right direction?Certainly the decision to take out Saddam was a good one. However there remain questions about the method of prosecution of this war. Is this troop surge a step in the right direction? Even TIME MAGAZE claims that things are "quiet in baghdad...too quiet" In other words, to the leftist media, even good news is bad news. It's definitely early in the game, but some big players have fled the scene and only one brigade of four has yet arrived to clamp down on the sectarian violence (90% of which occurs within 30 miles of baghdad). Hold on to your hats, but as I've stated before, perhaps actually having the will to win has been the only difference between us and the bad guys so far - the dems can't wait to lose a "Bush War" - but maybe now we're on the path to victory... Its not early in the game at all. Its four years on. And all they will do is wait it out. This idiotic war was lost in the first three months. There is no changing that. Andrew Quote
ScottSA Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 And all they will do is wait it out. This idiotic war was lost in the first three months. There is no changing that.Andrew That's because a small but noisy segment of the population of the west wants the war to be lost, and will cointinue to agitate until it becomes true. Quote
AndrewL Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 And all they will do is wait it out. This idiotic war was lost in the first three months. There is no changing that. Andrew That's because a small but noisy segment of the population of the west wants the war to be lost, and will cointinue to agitate until it becomes true. Wow. You give me us people so much credit to influence geopolitical affairs. Thanks! I feel so powerful all of a sudden. Andrew Quote
Canadian Blue Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 That's because a small but noisy segment of the population of the west wants the war to be lost, and will cointinue to agitate until it becomes true. Yeah those 3000+ American soldiers that died so far, never happened. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
jdobbin Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 Is the troop surge showing early signs of the right direction? This article was written on February 27. Very early on in the surge. Do you have anything written now to indicate the surge has been hugely successful? Five soldiers dies yesterday. Casualties are about three soldiers a day. That's about the same as last month and the month before that. Quote
ScottSA Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 That's because a small but noisy segment of the population of the west wants the war to be lost, and will cointinue to agitate until it becomes true. Yeah those 3000+ American soldiers that died so far, never happened. 3000 soldiers died in the first ten minutes of the Battle of the Somme. At this rate of attrition, it'll take over 85 years for the death toll in Iraq to reach even the neighbourhood of Vietnam. It's tragic that US soldiers have died, but lets save the crocodile tears about "mounting death tolls" and so on, shall we? Quote
jdobbin Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 3000 soldiers died in the first ten minutes of the Battle of the Somme. At this rate of attrition, it'll take over 85 years for the death toll in Iraq to reach even the neighbourhood of Vietnam. It's tragic that US soldiers have died, but lets save the crocodile tears about "mounting death tolls" and so on, shall we? Not mounting as far as soldiers dying. Just steady with no end in sight. And given the joyful enthusiasm by the administration for a very quick in and out war, this is regarded as a failure. Quote
ScottSA Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 3000 soldiers died in the first ten minutes of the Battle of the Somme. At this rate of attrition, it'll take over 85 years for the death toll in Iraq to reach even the neighbourhood of Vietnam. It's tragic that US soldiers have died, but lets save the crocodile tears about "mounting death tolls" and so on, shall we? Not mounting as far as soldiers dying. Just steady with no end in sight. And given the joyful enthusiasm by the administration for a very quick in and out war, this is regarded as a failure. You did notice that saddam is not running things anymore, right? Quote
jdobbin Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 You did notice that saddam is not running things anymore, right? I did. Who is running things now in Iraq though? Quote
Canadian Blue Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 3000 soldiers died in the first ten minutes of the Battle of the Somme. At this rate of attrition, it'll take over 85 years for the death toll in Iraq to reach even the neighbourhood of Vietnam. It's tragic that US soldiers have died, but lets save the crocodile tears about "mounting death tolls" and so on, shall we? Unless of course your the family of one of those dead/injured soldiers. World War 1 was a pointless war, and now with the way war is fought this could go on for 85 years at the rates were going. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
Liam Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 I think any quiet on the Baghdad front has more to do with insurgents' keeping their powder dry than military success on our part. As soon as the military moves on a bit, the bombs will flare again. Or the insurgents will tire of keeping a low profile and will lash out elsewhere. The "surge" is a prime case of too little, too late. Bush should have used 150,000 to topple Baghda, but have 350,000 waiting in Kuwait to deploy and keep the peace. Once they de-Baathified the country, the end of the war die was cast in our enemy's favor. And that was about a year before anyone heard of Cindy Sheehan. Quote
Figleaf Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 Certainly the decision to take out Saddam was a good one. !!! And what criteria are you confining your analysis to to reach that conclusion??? Even TIME MAGAZE claims that things are "quiet in baghdad...too quiet"In other words, to the leftist media, even good news is bad news. You think Time is LEFTIST??? What wouldn't be leftist to you then -- Mussolini Quarterly? Quote
Figleaf Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 ... a small but noisy segment of the population of the west wants the war to be lost, and will cointinue to agitate until it becomes true. Yeah, right. If only there were no peacenik fringe in North America the Iraqi insurgency would be non-existent! LOLOLOLOL! You crack me up. It's like you don't care how stupid your comments sound. Like Jerry Lewis -- anything for the laugh. Quote
newbie Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 And all they will do is wait it out. This idiotic war was lost in the first three months. There is no changing that. Andrew That's because a small but noisy segment of the population of the west wants the war to be lost, and will cointinue to agitate until it becomes true. Must be why the majority of Americans disapprove of Bush and his war and want the troops brought home. Quote
Guthrie Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 The Iraq Occupation has never been murkier. A surge means and always meant, a temporary increase in forces. The fact is, it can not be maintained. Meanwhile, the US govt doesn't even know who are the good guys and who are the bad guys. Instead of ending death squads, the US is protecting death squads. Instead of ending sectarian hate, the US is fanning sectarian hate. It isn't getting better it's getting worse Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
GostHacked Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 I was not even aware the suge happened. From what I read on CNN, CBS, FOX and other news 'sources', the Bush Administration was having trouble getting the money and the motion support for a troop surge. I know the Dems had a non binding opposition (non binding?? why the fuck even say anything at all if you are not going to back it up?) to the troop surge. It could have happened, or maybe I am too blind to see it, but for some reason, I am doubting this troop surge even happened. Quote
Guthrie Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 Admiral Assesses Troop Surge in BaghdadCBN News March 26, 2007 CBNNews.com - The admiral in charge of U.S. forces in the Middle East got his first look at the situation in Iraq since taking over central command. Adm. William Fallon toured a Baghdad market Sunday to see how the troop surge is working. So far, 8,000 additional troops have been sent to Baghdad. that's approximately one-third of the troops that the Bush Administration wanted for the surge. ... CBNNews Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
AshNazg Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 And the funny part is that with Saddam in power Iraq was a safer place for both Iraqis and USA. Quote
Guthrie Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 To me, and it would be just as funny if not so representative of the administration --- a general, bragging how the surge is working, chose Irbil as an example. What he didn't say? Irbil has been quiet since before the war --- it is in the NE section of Iraq which has been and continues to be under the control of Kurds. It is also the area of the country Saddam never controlled and finally, it is that part of Iraq where Al Qaeda had been and continues to be welcomed and aided --- so, general, after over half a million dead in Iraq, Irbil is just as safe as it was in 2001 - and Americans really don't even go there so, 'Mission Accomplished 2007' ???? Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
Shakeyhands Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 Admiral Assesses Troop Surge in BaghdadCBN News March 26, 2007 CBNNews.com - The admiral in charge of U.S. forces in the Middle East got his first look at the situation in Iraq since taking over central command. Adm. William Fallon toured a Baghdad market Sunday to see how the troop surge is working. So far, 8,000 additional troops have been sent to Baghdad. that's approximately one-third of the troops that the Bush Administration wanted for the surge. ... CBNNews well.... its a better source than NewsMax I suppose.... Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
ScottSA Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 To me, and it would be just as funny if not so representative of the administration --- a general, bragging how the surge is working, chose Irbil as an example. What he didn't say? Irbil has been quiet since before the war --- it is in the NE section of Iraq which has been and continues to be under the control of Kurds. It is also the area of the country Saddam never controlled and finally, it is that part of Iraq where Al Qaeda had been and continues to be welcomed and aided --- so, general, after over half a million dead in Iraq, Irbil is just as safe as it was in 2001 - and Americans really don't even go thereso, 'Mission Accomplished 2007' ???? It would just irk you into a tizzy if the surge actually did work, eh Woody? Quote
Guthrie Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 To me, and it would be just as funny if not so representative of the administration --- a general, bragging how the surge is working, chose Irbil as an example. What he didn't say? Irbil has been quiet since before the war --- it is in the NE section of Iraq which has been and continues to be under the control of Kurds. It is also the area of the country Saddam never controlled and finally, it is that part of Iraq where Al Qaeda had been and continues to be welcomed and aided --- so, general, after over half a million dead in Iraq, Irbil is just as safe as it was in 2001 - and Americans really don't even go there so, 'Mission Accomplished 2007' ???? It would just irk you into a tizzy if the surge actually did work, eh Woody? It does just irk you into a tizzy when someone ever actually calls you on your fake education, eh Hitler? Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
PolyNewbie Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 Certainly the decision to take out Saddam was a good one. Good for the IMF, the World Bank, & good for the oil companies. Not so good for the Americans who will just end up paying for it directly through taxation and indirectly through higher oil prices due to increased monolpoly. Not good for the soldiers either - 25 % of the first gulf war soldiers are dead from DU and other diseases of war. The Iraqui people are not happy about it - now no more stnadard retirement at age 50, no more free education and no more national banks and oil industry. Plus 600,000 of them are dead and their land is salted from DU dust. I guess it depends on how you look at it. Quote Support the troops. Bring them home. Let the bankers fight their own wars. www.infowars.com Watch 911 Mysteries at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871 "By the time the people wake up to see the bars around them, the door will have already slammed shut." Texx Mars
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