9/11

[jbg]

Every army & every police force has its monsters. Its true all over the world.

JBG: Roundie here. Post Number 1400 on this thread and still going strong. And 94 pages. What rich content!!!

Thanks to your contribution. I look through here and you haven't actually said a single thing. You have read the posts and then remarked on how stupid it is to do so. You continuously do that.

I don't see how a bunch of people wasting their time on a stupid thread (if that is the case) is any of your business.

Quite the contrary. I praised the content. Can't you read?

[PolyNewbie]

JBG:Quite the contrary. I praised the content. Can't you read?

You are not that hard to read.

[jbg]

JBG:Quite the contrary. I praised the content. Can't you read?

You are not that hard to read.

I am straightforward. The reason for my comments on the length and stupidity of this thread are that it is obvious to any rational person that Islamists destroyed both towers of the WTC on September 11, 2001 in an effort to kill as many people as possible, at random.

Your posts are of the caliber of those that excuse the Nazis by saying that the Jews that died in the concentration camps largely died of starvation and epidemics, and only a portion were gassed to death. Quite clearly the function of the death camps was to kill as many Jews and other assorted "undesirables" as quickly and efficiently as possible. The Islamists' massacre of Westerners, whether at WTC, on trains in Madrid or in the London subways rises to a similar level of depravity.

Is that cogent enough for you?

[PolyNewbie]

My posts are based on logical fact and not emotions surrounding the matter.

[obsidian]

To all ye of the faith movement:

To you, my friends and brothers, who do not believe this is happening to the world around us I challenge

you to think as openly about the subject as possible. I am not going to attempt to change your mind, no one

has the right to control what you think or do, instead I will try to get you, yourself, to change your own mind.

There are many discrepancies within the 9/11 comission report, and many more discrepancies in most

conspiracy theorists theories. We have come to a point in timewhere information is so readily available you

can have an oppinion on nearly anything, and be able to justify it. Today it is very hard to come to actual

conclusions, somewhere along the road you are bound to find a bump or pothole which leads you astray.

This is true for both sides of this argument. Most people, and rightfully so, do not feel that they have the

qualifications to make any of these decisions. To overcome this we seek credible sources of information,

however as i hopefully made apparent, it is very hard to avoid a bias or propoganda. This means that to

come to any conclusions, one must believe it him/herself , however these decisions are often based upon

what one have seen on TV or read in the newspaper. The only way I have ever come any closer to

understanding the ways of the world was by finding as many complimentary sources as i could, then

objectively filtering out any discrepancies that i did not find in the majority of the sources. This is

how we can come to conlusions, because believe me, there are MANY discrepancies in the "official story"

(not just 9/11). However a discrepancy is not a warrant for a conspiracy, one must then repeat and purge

through past information to find the truth.

Today , with the abundance of information, fewer and fewer people are seeking it. I obviously do not have

the statistics, but how many of your friends and families think outside of this manufactured bubble we live in.

People are trapped, and content, to live within our given reality. Media gives them their oppinions, barely

anyone actually looks up a story they hear from the biased news. It is this not caring coupled with the fact

that the media and technology infiltrate our lives deeper each second that we do not think objectively

for ourselves anymore. Many people do not want to have their own oppinion, support their own oppinion,

or share it. They seek to become part of the norm, the standard. More and more are we forgeting what has

elevated us to our current status, change/differences. If you look at any, that's right a n y, of our most

influential people in history, they have reached that pedestal by one means. That means is the change, they

thought differently than anyone else, and didnt change when the were condemned. From Galileo who was

detained by the church, to Einstein who was considered nearly retarded (litteraly). However, more than

ever, this is discouraged by society. In our minds we picture our ideal world as having to do nothing, having

every possible thing provided to us without our input. Sadly, that also includes politics, travel, among other

things. To me, this is where the pinnacle of this delusion culminates. We wilfully hand over the reigns of

our lives for the sake of convienience, without thinking of the consequences. In my oppinion this can

only lead to tyranny, and thats where i see earth within the next 50 years.

Right now, what im asking of you, is for your mind to be as open as possible, for I believe our freedom is at

stake. As of now, whether you believe or not, it makes absolutely no difference. Whether terrorists or

a conspiracy organized 9/11, the events have already been set in motion and if we continue like this there

is little we can do. I believe that with or without a terrorist attack, there is no way we should be in 3rd world

countries waging war. And the truth is, conspiracy or not, wars are always about making profits, or opressing

the free...for the sake of profits. If the US didnt benefit from Iraq and Afghanistan they would be out right

this second as common sense, logic, and poles dictate. However they are making profits, significant profits,

which they are not willing to give up. Some of you get around being fed up with Bush, and justify it by saying

"he only has one more year". But remember, it's not bush, its the party and his funders, corporate america.

However inaction is not part of the solution. Any neutral person is most easily swayed by other people, who

have their own oppinions, which they latch onto at a time of crisis. I assure you that crisis's are imminent,

and may not occur right away, however that makes them no less as imminent, only within our own minds.

I'm not preaching the end of the world, however i hope that some of you who read this, when things start to

change will remember. And act. If it's not part of the solution, it is part of the problem, and this is the one

thing i assure you.

-one day the power of love will overcome the love of power....

I encourage you conspiracy theorists to read into the faith movement, and I encourage the faith movement

read into the conspiracy. It is only this way that we can escape this bias.

"we will either learn to live together as brothers, or perish as fools"- martin luther king (i think)

As long as you only look into one side of the story, you will always be sadly misled. The government seeks

to divide us, upon every issue. They are firm believers of divide and conquer. Just look at your family life

and compare it to that of your parents and see how different and closer it was. If they divide us, more and

more, they dilute our oppinions, they dilute our say, they undermine our rights.

two point i think has some merit towards the conspiracy movement (sorry for the bias)

1) opperation amalgam virgo: a military exercise june 1-2 2001. the situation was multiple cruise missle attacks

or an attack from a barge. By guess who?? OSOMA BIN LADEN. this shows that osoma had already been

deemed a threat, and the govt was aware Osoma was planning to attack the US. if they knew that, and

there had been multiple warnings from other intelligence communites that there would be plane attacks,

there is no doubt in my mind they were fully aware, if not funding or organizing it themselves.

2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI733CGmkhY

5 minutes into that video they have a episode of the Lone Gunmen on global (licensed by Fox) in which

the entire 9/11 plot unfolds. including flying a plane into the world trade centers....THIS TRUELY BAFFLED MY

MIND. i do not endorse anything else found in this video except for the amalgam virgo mission for i will not

release or disclose to you information i have not yet had the chance to authenticate.

[Canadian Blue]

Osoma, Osama. Every time I read some of this stuff I just shake my head. Sure you can go on with your passionate speech, but your saying that we should buy into some conspiracy soley on the opinion of the few.

Thanks for the youtube video with the Octopus, MASH theme song, and plus the really nerdy sounding narrator.

[obsidian]

wow you cant read

im saying look at both sides because thats the only way you can find the truth. i asked people to keep an open mind, on both sides of the argument.

"Every time I read some of this stuff I just shake my head" just shows how dire this sitaution is, im sure you only skimmed through, hence getting a skewed perspective of what i was trying to attempt to communicate.

i said go 5 minutes into the video, not watch the intro and thats it...another one of your actions shows how dire this is. you discredit it because it has an octopus, mash theme song, and he has a nerdy voice? unbelievable

and you, i know, believe all the official reports. so how come you dont care that the us was "training for an unconventional threat" from osoma bin laden, and did nothing to prevent 9/11. does that not make you question your faith in the govt? look it up on wikipedia, they even got the pic of the coverpage, with his picture on it

and here it is http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6...Jun1-2-2001.jpg

your very actions that you just exhibited are what i warned about in what i wrote, if you read it. and even more, i said i wasnt trying to change anyones mind, withinin the 1st paragraph man...

thank you for making my efforts ever more valid blue

[jbg]

PN, so, what are your other interests other than proving somehow that Bush wanted to slaughter thousands of his own people?

[obsidian]

if the conspiracy is true, which PN obviousy believes, the threat is very real. if you believed in the conspiracy, it would most likely consume your thoughts aswell, because IF it's true it is of tremendous significance.

sorry PN if you consider this as me putting words in your mouth

[PolyNewbie]

I used to be a very gregarious outgoing person with a wide ranging set of interests and a large group of friends from a wide variety of positions in society fropm the highest to the lowest. I used to be athletic and by and large ignorant of what was and is happening. I have also seen the pit of hell and that cannot be described using words on a newsgroup. You cannot comprehend it until you have been there.

I have lost my friends because they are afraid of what I might say. Some may think I could be a terrorist but this is not the case. I am not a killer and I know thats what the system wants. Nothing would make Harper happier than to have a real terrorist arrested - it would save them from faking it all the time. We either win peacefully or we lose. You can't fight black helicopters with rocks and pellet guns.

I had plans on joining the army after graduating school - seriously considered it an option until Oklahoma. It then became out of the question entirely.

I am dedicated to fighting this New World Order - nothing else matters. I could be making a lot more money and live in a big house if those were my goals I work less than 1 day a week now - enough for a modest living.

Things I know for a fact:

(1) A willful destruction of our civilization is underway. I have known this for two years.

(2) There will be mass executions. I have had this info volunteered to me by people that would know - one 10 years ago explicitly, one other person 5 years ago explicitly and one other person 5 years ago implictly. None of these people knew each other and they all held positions in society that would permit them to know this. Two had no reason to make it up. The third was completely depraved in every imaginable way (a partner in a law firm), was a devil worshipper and would screw anyone for no other reason than the pleasure of doing it.

They may starve us out, create civil war or load us into detention centers - this I do not know. I do know that they want somthing between 80 % & 100 % of the existing population dead.

(3) The system - cops, courts and lawyers is corrupt. If a lawyer, a cop or a judge is not corrupt it is by choice, not by requirement. They can do whatever they want. Members of the judicial system in Canada are above the law. The system is designed that way in the same way a mud house built in the open will eventually fall apart if rained on enough. I believe this is by design.

(4) 911 & Oklahoma were both inside jobs. We know that wtc'93 was an inside job because the tapes have been made public. I saw it on 60 minutes, w5 or one of those shows. The wtc'93 bombing was planned and executed by the government of the United States. The fact the 911 was an inside job and that Oklahoma was an inside job cannot be intelligently debated. The scientific evidence speaks for itself. It doesn't add up in any way. Anyone that has tried to argue on scientific basis has made gross errors in the basics of science. Scientific arguements that support the official version can easily be shown to be idiotic. Engineers have lied to cover it up.

Things I believe

(1) Most of the children that dissapear are dissapeared by members of society that are above the law that are scaraficing them during winter or summer solistice.

(2) People are being dissapeared & suicided now. We know from Todd Bush that the police can execute people inside the police station if they wish to do so. The cops killed one guy with a gunshot wound inside the station in self defence. 2+2=5.

(3) Many people are aware of this and choose to ignore it because they think they will be on the winning end of it all or they are afraid to face it - cognitive dissonance or they believe themselves to be powerless. This belief of powerlessness is perpetuated by the oligarchy. Many people in power simply are not aware of what is going on because they are too busy or because of cognitive dissonance.

(4) Although I am not religious I have heard someone once say that there are more people on this planet than there are souls. I believe there is an element of truth to this on some level but am not superstitious either. It could be a form of mental illness.

(5) There is almost no truth to what is commonly known as history. Some elements are true but the motivations laid out for the wars are all lies. The wars were done on purpose to enhance oligarical control of the world population by the ruling elite.

The thing you are thinking is that I am crazy and need help. I have considered this, done the psychological testing and talked with councellors and psychiatrists and psychologists. I have also read about mental illness and know that many people have some degree of mental illness. I do not, there are more level headed people around than me but they are small in number. I have had psycs tell me that I am completely sane - a rarity.

A book called The Holocaust was a fictional book based on reality. The phenomenon of ignorance is well illustrated in that book. Jews knew they were being carted away to be killed but they chose to believe otherwise.

[White Doors]

if the conspiracy is true, which PN obviousy believes, the threat is very real. if you believed in the conspiracy, it would most likely consume your thoughts aswell, because IF it's true it is of tremendous significance.

sorry PN if you consider this as me putting words in your mouth

Obsidian you were what, 11 when 9/11 happened?

Anyone else find his initial post to sound of a 'town crier' all the way through? I couldn't help myself but to hear a town crier.

haha

[White Doors]

Perchance POlynewbie, did you start smoking alot of week around the same time you discovered that there was a world wide conspiracy to kill everyone over 12 years old?

(also, we were ALL athletic in high school)

LOL

I do think that you really should put the joint out and go talk to a mental health specialist. No joke.

[White Doors]

It could be a form of mental illness.

You are getting warmer..

[obsidian]

PN its very true.

they appease us on all levels to near complete satisfaction. only near though so we are always looking to them for something else, some advancement which means nothing, that appeases us even more.

we look up to them for everything, from healthcare to the distribution of food within the country.

if this is interuptted there would be mass deaths. i dont know about the rest of you, but i live near toronto in a neighbouring suburb, and if the food distribution was interupted within about 60km + radius i dont believe you could live off the land.

and not to pull the religion card

but if you read the book of john, revelations it describes what is happening right now.

revelation 13

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?(american peoples confidence)

5 ¶ And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (near the 1st term of bush minus when 9/11 occured, and bush "speaks great things and blasphemies")

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: Dan. 7.21 and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.(yes thats right, the people didnt care about 2 unjust wars, why is this idiot their leader.)

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life Ps. 69.28 of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.(aren't there many links to high level washington officials and satanism??)

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.(the next ones important...)

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: Jer. 15.2 he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.(we're being led into captivity people)

14 and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. (wounded=9/11?)

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

(wow all that go against him will be slain? PN did you not just mention hearing about these mass murders? i wouldnt be suprised if they have death lists or something of the sort like the CIA gives locals to kill their own)

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:(microchips, already legal for human use, discussions about mandatory microchips are taking place.)

17 and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. ( the Real ID act in the US says that if you do not get a new state mandated drivers liscense, you cannot travel internationally or open a bank account...)

^ not meant for discussion just consideration^

the mayans also believe we are in a point of great chaos, and resettling of the world. it is called the End Time. it is either the next step for humanity, or if we continue being blindly led into captivity it will be hell on earth.

its also interesting that it's not just these religions, its nearly all of them.

this has been called the new world order

you have heard it on tv

probally in a newspaper aswell

and on the back of the one dollar bill...

bush sr mentioned it, reagan mentioned it, and gw bush mentioned it aswell

[White Doors]

Well holy shit people.

Head for the hills!

[Black Dog]

this has been called the new world order

you have heard it on tv

probally in a newspaper aswell

and on the back of the one dollar bill...

bush sr mentioned it, reagan mentioned it, and gw bush mentioned it aswell

You know who else mentioned it? Hulk Hogan.

The thing you are thinking is that I am crazy and need help. I have considered this, done the psychological testing and talked with councellors and psychiatrists and psychologists. I have also read about mental illness and know that many people have some degree of mental illness. I do not, there are more level headed people around than me but they are small in number. I have had psycs tell me that I am completely sane - a rarity.

Yet your posts, you're posting behavious and your biographical information (if true) simply screams classic paranoid schizophrenic. Some symptoms:

Changes in eating or sleeping habits, energy level, or weight

Delusions

Nervousness

Strange statements or behavior

Withdrawal from friends, work, or school

Neglect of personal hygiene

Anger

Indifference to the opinions of others

A tendency to argue

A conviction that you are better than others, or that people are out to get you

Frankly, I don't think you've seen any mental health professionals. It's abundantly clear that you are not well. You are not privy to any great secret conspiracy. You are not enlightened. You are not the standard bearer of the truth. You (and though you will no doubt respond very angrily to this) are actually a rather sad and damaged character. I shan't mock you any more, because it's clear you have some serious problems. Shut down the computer. Close the cover of whatever daft conspiracy tome you're reading. Take a walk outside, pet a kitten, and then go seek some help. 'cause brother, if what you are saying about your life is true, you really need it.

[PolyNewbie]

WhiteDoors:Perchance POlynewbie, did you start smoking alot of week around the same time you discovered that there was a world wide conspiracy to kill everyone over 12 years old?

Nope. I like my weed but I wasn't smoking then and I'm not smoking now.

WhiteDoors:(also, we were ALL athletic in high school)

I wasn't but it became a way of life for me for about 10 years starting at age 28.

[PolyNewbie]

Joke all you want but we are living in the most dangerous and the most interesting part of human history.

[PolyNewbie]

The wide gap between the rich and poor in our society makes everything I am saying very possible.

Ask a lawyer if your birth certificates can be used as colateral by this oligarchy without you knowing about it.

Ask a lawyer if you really have the right to habeous corpus. They are free to take it away anytime they want - even if its just to rob and screw you for fun. The truth is you have no rights in Canada.

[leonardcohen]

Joke all you want but we are living in the most dangerous and the most interesting part of human history.

Finally something i fully agree with you on ;}

[Black Dog]

Another tragedy is that there appear to be a great many people like PN out there who are expending tremendous amounts of time and effort on what can only be called outlandish fantasies, time and effort that could be otherwise applied to making positive changes in our society. I don't know why that is: I mean, they can't all be mentally ill, can they?

[PolyNewbie]

Another tragedy is that there appear to be a great many people like PN out there who are expending tremendous amounts of time and effort on what can only be called outlandish fantasies, time and effort that could be otherwise applied to making positive changes in our society.

The official version of 911 is what is rediculous. WDM's in Iraq is rediculous, 2.3 + trllion gone from the Pentagon is rediculous, Oklahoma investigation results were rediculous, wtc93 was done by the government, the idea of fighting for freedom is rediculous, the banks are criminal, the economy is being gutted & the government sells drugs to finance illegal activities.

You are rediculous.

The only outlandish fantasy is to believe the government stands for freedom & democracy and is here to protect you.

What have you ever done or said to affect positive change for society ?

[Black Dog]

Yet your posts, you're posting behavious and your biographical information (if true) simply screams classic paranoid schizophrenic. Some symptoms:

Changes in eating or sleeping habits, energy level, or weight

Delusions

Nervousness

Strange statements or behavior

Withdrawal from friends, work, or school

Neglect of personal hygiene

Anger

Indifference to the opinions of others

A tendency to argue

A conviction that you are better than others, or that people are out to get you

And it's still spelled "ridiculous".

[Canadian Blue]

Five pages away from the big 100!!!

[White Doors]

Joke all you want but we are living in the most dangerous and the most interesting part of human history.

Finally something i fully agree with you on ;}

I'd say the dirty '30's and the lead up and early parts of WW2 would be much more 'dangerous' and 'interesting' for the average folk than is today, no?