Figleaf Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 Probably they oppose it because there really is no way to guarantee that the money finds its way into the hands of the farmers and stays out of Taliban coffers. Furthermore, the prospect of Taliban-run farms raises fears of our government(s) being directly responsible for funding our enemies.I think that this is a justifiable concern. If it were real, sure. The idea of such a program would have to include avoiding such an outcome. Quote
na85 Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 If it were real, sure. The idea of such a program would have to include avoiding such an outcome. Absolutely. My point is that such assurances would be difficult to obtain. Quote
BubberMiley Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 Absolutely. My point is that such assurances would be difficult to obtain. My point is that they have nothing to lose, considering that money is probably already going into Taliban coffers. At least they could get some control over the situation. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
na85 Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 Ah, okay. I see what you're saying now. Yes, that is a good point indeed. Quote
geoffrey Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 I watched the interview before bed the night it aired... I was personally more shocked at George actually being very hard on Dion... I was expecting a cakewalk. Well done George. Dion's attitude has shifted though in my opinion from an ivory tower academic, to a desperate car salesman. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Shakeyhands Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 Right now I would be suprised if Harper couldn't win a majority vote in an election. and you weren't surprised he couldn't pull it off when it was gift wrapped for him last go round? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
jdobbin Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 I'm not voting for either the CPC or the Liberal's in the next election precisely because of arrogance on the Liberal side and their stringent belief in an elected dictatorship [Mexico style]. As well I haven't been much impressed with the Conservative's late position's with regards to accountability, tax cuts, etc. Do you know what the Greens position is on Afghanistan? Quote
jdobbin Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 Yeah, I can see a lot of Liberals rubbing their hands in anticipation and hopes of a heavy body count. It seems Harper thought that Canadians casualties helped to raise Canada's profile world-wide. Quote
August1991 Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 Dion's attitude has shifted though in my opinion from an ivory tower academic, to a desperate car salesman.Good line! That's funny enough to be a pitch for a Hollywood plotline.I think everyone is being overly hard on Dion and in a world where a strategy of low expectations seems to work best, it may be good for Dion is seen this way. About 18 months ago, there was a ditch Harper campaign and many said he was brittle, arrogant, not a team player, prone to saying dumb things and unelectable. I wonder what the press said about Pearson after he became Liberal leader in 1957 and before the 1958 election? What did they say about him after the debacle of 1958? Quote
SamStranger Posted March 9, 2007 Author Report Posted March 9, 2007 If I never knew Dion (like most canadians voters) I would be extremely offended by the remarks he made on cbc's The Hour last week. Personally i was not too shocked, i already knew he was arrogant. Here is something he said (if you missed it) "Canada NEED'S Me as their Prime Minister" Arrogant?? Is that the only quote you have a problem with? If so, I don't see the problem -- since he's trying to become PM, wouldn't you think he'd think he's who we need? If he doesn't think he's who we need, then why would he be running? To give us what we don't need? It wouldn't make any sense. that is not the only quote i have a problem with (he ran his mouth off about alot of things) but that quote shows arrogance. I have never heard Stephen Harper say 'Canada needs me as their pm' while he was campaigning. HE would say 'As your next prime minister...' or 'IF im elected your prime minister...' Dion flat-out says that Canadians need him. dion can screw himself, we dont need him. hell, we dont need harper, or layton, or duceppe, or may. we dont need anyone, we choose who we want. this is not a dictatorship, as dion wants it to be. he is a dictator. Quote "They say that lifes a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well. The world is full of Kings and Queens who blind your eyes then steal your dreams- it's heaven and hell. And they will tell you black is really white, the moon is just the sun at night, and when you walk in golden halls you get to keep the gold that falls- its heaven and hell" -Ronnie James Dio
na85 Posted March 9, 2007 Report Posted March 9, 2007 this is not a dictatorship, as dion wants it to be. he is a dictator. Begun, the hyperbole war has. Quote
jbg Posted March 12, 2007 Report Posted March 12, 2007 I watched the interview before bed the night it aired... I was personally more shocked at George actually being very hard on Dion... I was expecting a cakewalk. Well done George. Dion's attitude has shifted though in my opinion from an ivory tower academic, to a desperate car salesman. What extraordinary skills does Dion have that you need him as PM? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Michael Bluth Posted March 12, 2007 Report Posted March 12, 2007 I watched the interview before bed the night it aired... I was personally more shocked at George actually being very hard on Dion... I was expecting a cakewalk. Well done George. I'm growing fonder of George as the days go on. His interview with David Wilkins impressed me. It was respectful, his questions were well researched and he didn't go after him unfairly. I see Strombo as a lot like Jian Ghomeshi they fit the *hip* *happening* *now* *wow* look that the CBC insists on, but they don't seem to be buying into the left-wing ideology that is persuasive in that newsroom. As long as they ask fair questions and do the job real, objective journalists should do then it isn't a problem. Jule Van Dusen are you listening? That means no stalking MPs into toilet stalls. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
SamStranger Posted March 12, 2007 Author Report Posted March 12, 2007 I watched the interview before bed the night it aired... I was personally more shocked at George actually being very hard on Dion... I was expecting a cakewalk. Well done George. I'm growing fonder of George as the days go on. His interview with David Wilkins impressed me. It was respectful, his questions were well researched and he didn't go after him unfairly. I see Strombo as a lot like Jian Ghomeshi they fit the *hip* *happening* *now* *wow* look that the CBC insists on, but they don't seem to be buying into the left-wing ideology that is persuasive in that newsroom. As long as they ask fair questions and do the job real, objective journalists should do then it isn't a problem. Jule Van Dusen are you listening? That means no stalking MPs into toilet stalls. I slightly disagree. I am a fan of George, dont get me wrong. But when he had belinda stronach on she was running off tons of liberal b-s and george didn't step in once. she also said 'no one can break up a happy marriage' in response too the adultery claims (whore) and george agreed with her. so i think he is still very much left wing, mabye a tad more moderate now. Quote "They say that lifes a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well. The world is full of Kings and Queens who blind your eyes then steal your dreams- it's heaven and hell. And they will tell you black is really white, the moon is just the sun at night, and when you walk in golden halls you get to keep the gold that falls- its heaven and hell" -Ronnie James Dio
jbg Posted March 12, 2007 Report Posted March 12, 2007 I slightly disagree. I am a fan of George, dont get me wrong. But when he had belinda stronach on she was running off tons of liberal b-s and george didn't step in once. she also said 'no one can break up a happy marriage' in response too the adultery claims (whore) and george agreed with her. so i think he is still very much left wing, mabye a tad more moderate now. Moderation, in the case of MSM, comes with "going with the flow". These are clearly more conservative times in Canada than in the past, and that would be reflected in MSM attitude. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Figleaf Posted March 12, 2007 Report Posted March 12, 2007 this is not a dictatorship, as dion wants it to be. he is a dictator. Begun, the hyperbole war has. Look out for Bush-Clones and Imperial Rove-rs. Quote
White Doors Posted March 12, 2007 Report Posted March 12, 2007 Begun, the hyperbole war has. Flee, we must all Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
madmax Posted March 12, 2007 Report Posted March 12, 2007 Moderation, in the case of MSM, comes with "going with the flow". That is correct. Thus all the media begging for a war the President was delivering. Only to turn their back on it and him once it was determined to be the sham it always was and that it has been an excercise in why incompentent Republican Hacks should never be given positions of authority in Iraq. But media reflects the audience because if the media is not connecting, it will not be watched or read. And that would be true in both examples for and then against the war. These are clearly more conservative times in Canada than in the past, and that would be reflected in MSM attitude. I don't believe this. I have no reason to believe that Canadians are anymore Conservative today then they were in the past. What example might you give to support your position? Quote
searchingforaformerclearity Posted March 12, 2007 Report Posted March 12, 2007 I slightly disagree. I am a fan of George, dont get me wrong. But when he had belinda stronach on she was running off tons of liberal b-s and george didn't step in once. she also said 'no one can break up a happy marriage' in response too the adultery claims (whore) and george agreed with her. so i think he is still very much left wing, mabye a tad more moderate now. I used to be a fan of George b/c of his tendency toward the left and his honesty in driving home his points, but he's nothing like the George we saw on Muchmusic... he's watered himself down so much so it makes me wanna puke just watching him speak. It's like he's talking to his grandmother... he doesn't even use his normal tone of voice anymore, just too concerned with being too polite, and thus loosing his edge. Also, I do not understand why he mixes entertainment with news. Since when should we care what Britney Spears or Anna Nicole does?? I would continue watching the hour but I simply cannot stand all the BS my eyes recieve untill I get a fragment of realness. I hope people get sick of the new George soon and he can go back to being himself instead of what he thinks others think he should be. Quote
BubberMiley Posted March 13, 2007 Report Posted March 13, 2007 I don't believe this. I have no reason to believe that Canadians are anymore Conservative today then they were in the past. What example might you give to support your position? That depends. Fiscally way more conservative. Socially about the same as ever. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Eldrick Woods Posted March 13, 2007 Report Posted March 13, 2007 Yeah, I can see a lot of Liberals rubbing their hands in anticipation and hopes of a heavy body count. This is about the worst comment I've ever read. Sounds like Ann Coulter to be honest. Quote
BubberMiley Posted March 13, 2007 Report Posted March 13, 2007 Yeah, I can see a lot of Liberals rubbing their hands in anticipation and hopes of a heavy body count. This is about the worst comment I've ever read. Sounds like Ann Coulter to be honest. Don't feed the trolls. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Michael Bluth Posted March 14, 2007 Report Posted March 14, 2007 Given that Harper hasn't gotten into majority territory in the poll so far, I'd say it would indeed be a surprise if he got a majority.And as spring comes to Afghanistan, we might even see the polls notch downward. Yeah, I can see a lot of Liberals rubbing their hands in anticipation and hopes of a heavy body count. That's bitter, but very honest. Does anybody doubt that the veracity of Argus' claim? Many Liberals truly believe that Canada's Natural Governing Party tripe. I am sure there are a number of party stalwarts hoping that a tough spring offensive for our forces, just because it would improve their electoral chances. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
guyser Posted March 14, 2007 Report Posted March 14, 2007 Does anybody doubt that the veracity of Argus' claim? Sure, there are always some who want to believe absurd claims to bolster their hate for the left. Yup, Libs, lefties et al....rubbing their hands for more of our soldiers and innocents dieing...yup yup , thats what they do. Yup, liberal party stalwarts are into puppy drownings , Halloween loot bag slashing.....should I name them all? Quote
jdobbin Posted March 14, 2007 Report Posted March 14, 2007 Sure, there are always some who want to believe absurd claims to bolster their hate for the left.Yup, Libs, lefties et al....rubbing their hands for more of our soldiers and innocents dieing...yup yup , thats what they do. Yup, liberal party stalwarts are into puppy drownings , Halloween loot bag slashing.....should I name them all? I still can't get over the accusation in the last election that the Liberals were supportive of pedophiles. In any event, the issue of Afghanistan will be one that the government, Conservative or Liberal has to deal with. I said even before the election that the Liberals would have to deal with a public that is deeply skeptical of long term success in that country. After Harper was elected, he extended the mission and now he too will butt heads against that skepticism. A long terrible summer isn't likely to see any gains for the party at least on that issue. Support for the troops remains high. Confidence in seeing Afghanistan defend itself is not. As far as Dion appearing on The Hour, I'm surprised at how many Tories here watch the show. I personally didn't see it so can't judge how he performed on it or not. Quote
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