bush_cheney2004 Posted March 24, 2007 Report Posted March 24, 2007 ModerateAmerican, your country is almost completely gone. Welcome to the North American Union. Your industrial base - the machines that make the machines that make the machines is in China. You will never get your country back. It will take you 50 years to rebuild that infrastructure - before you can even make your first engine crank shaft. By then the New World Order will be in place. 'Tis better to have been a Superpower and lost than never to have been one at all. Canada is part of a fallen empire that still lingers in slow death (The Commonwealth). You will never get your empire back. See how silly that sounds? God Save the Queen. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
moderateamericain Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 ModerateAmerican, your country is almost completely gone. Welcome to the North American Union. Your industrial base - the machines that make the machines that make the machines is in China. You will never get your country back. It will take you 50 years to rebuild that infrastructure - before you can even make your first engine crank shaft. By then the New World Order will be in place. 'Tis better to have been a Superpower and lost than never to have been one at all. Canada is part of a fallen empire that still lingers in slow death (The Commonwealth). You will never get your empire back. See how silly that sounds? God Save the Queen. Heres my plan, I'm gonna use my life long connections in Michigan to take control of it militarily by brokering a deal to give Canada the Upper Peninsula of Michigan in exchange for arms. Once I've established control of Michigan I'll erect a large border along the Souther border. Thus Isolating myself off. Canada, great full for my donation of huge chunks of land, will recognize my independence from the former USA. Thus the country of Michigan will be formed. We can sign are own NAFTA and Defense agreements. Ill even join the UN! So what yall think. Quote
ScottSA Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 ModerateAmerican, your country is almost completely gone. Welcome to the North American Union. Your industrial base - the machines that make the machines that make the machines is in China. You will never get your country back. It will take you 50 years to rebuild that infrastructure - before you can even make your first engine crank shaft. By then the New World Order will be in place. 'Tis better to have been a Superpower and lost than never to have been one at all. Canada is part of a fallen empire that still lingers in slow death (The Commonwealth). You will never get your empire back. See how silly that sounds? God Save the Queen. Heres my plan, I'm gonna use my life long connections in Michigan to take control of it militarily by brokering a deal to give Canada the Upper Peninsula of Michigan in exchange for arms. Once I've established control of Michigan I'll erect a large border along the Souther border. Thus Isolating myself off. Canada, great full for my donation of huge chunks of land, will recognize my independence from the former USA. Thus the country of Michigan will be formed. We can sign are own NAFTA and Defense agreements. Ill even join the UN! So what yall think. We want all of Michigan. Except Detroit. You can have Detroit. We have no arms at the moment; they were abolished by the Liberals and we're just now in the process of buying them back from the states. You can't have any of them either. Don't tell anyone, but now that the US is no longer a superpower, we're gonna sneak in the back door and sack Washington again. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 Heres my plan, I'm gonna use my life long connections in Michigan to take control of it militarily by brokering a deal to give Canada the Upper Peninsula of Michigan in exchange for arms. Once I've established control of Michigan I'll erect a large border along the Souther border. Thus Isolating myself off. Canada, great full for my donation of huge chunks of land, will recognize my independence from the former USA. Thus the country of Michigan will be formed. We can sign are own NAFTA and Defense agreements. Ill even join the UN! So what yall think. This is a good plan. Canada needs Michigan to continue to dispose of its garbage in landfills. Jack up the price per tonne tenfold! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guthrie Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 one real America-Nazi connection is Prescott Bush who was the American banker for Hitler and the Nazi party, even prior to Hitler's take over of Germany. Prescott actually helped the financing of the Nazi takeover of Germany Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
Canadian Blue Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 one real America-Nazi connection is Prescott Bush who was the American banker for Hitler and the Nazi party, even prior to Hitler's take over of Germany. Prescott actually helped the financing of the Nazi takeover of Germany Apparently the Anti-Defamation League doesn't think so. Most people don't read extremist publication's on a regular basis so you're going to have to enlighten us beyond the "polynewbie" style allegations. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
Guthrie Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 one real America-Nazi connection is Prescott Bush who was the American banker for Hitler and the Nazi party, even prior to Hitler's take over of Germany. Prescott actually helped the financing of the Nazi takeover of Germany Apparently the Anti-Defamation League doesn't think so. Most people don't read extremist publication's on a regular basis so you're going to have to enlighten us beyond the "polynewbie" style allegations. Historical facts are not allegations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Brothers_Harriman Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
ScottSA Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 one real America-Nazi connection is Prescott Bush who was the American banker for Hitler and the Nazi party, even prior to Hitler's take over of Germany. Prescott actually helped the financing of the Nazi takeover of Germany Apparently the Anti-Defamation League doesn't think so. Most people don't read extremist publication's on a regular basis so you're going to have to enlighten us beyond the "polynewbie" style allegations. Historical facts are not allegations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Brothers_Harriman Absolutely true. It's also true that Roosevelt and most of his administration, along with the rest of the world's leaders had all sorts of dealings with Hitler before the war. Duh. The war wasn't on yet, so why shouldn't they? We may go to war with China someday, but does that mean we ought to stop talking to it now? Quote
Canadian Blue Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 Tsk tsk... Rumors about the alleged Nazi "ties" of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated. Despite some early financial dealings between Prescott Bush and a Nazi industrialist named Fritz Thyssen (who was arrested by the Nazi regime in 1938 and imprisoned during the war), Prescott Bush was neither a Nazi nor a Nazi sympathizer. Thus Prescott Bush wasn't the banker for the Nazi party, and he certainly didn't bring them into power as you claimed Guthrie. As well many American business interests were involved in Nazi Germany. While it is popular by many partisan hacks to say that Prescott Bush was a "nazi sympathizer", the facts have shown otherwise. Beyond that, internet chatter doesn't count as "historical facts". Most of the sources one will find are conspiracy websites. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
Guthrie Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 Prescott Bush was not JUST a Nazi sympathiser and US banker but his wealth was gained from Nazi coffers After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, U.S. government documents reveal that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, failed to divest himself of more than a dozen "enemy national" relationships that continued until as late as 1951.[1] Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
Canadian Blue Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 How do you know Prescott Bush was nazi sympathizer. Many companies had recieved money from Germany before and after the war started. If Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi's can you give quotes and link's showing his sympathy for Germany during World War 2? Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
Guthrie Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 How do you know Prescott Bush was nazi sympathizer. Many companies had recieved money from Germany before and after the war started. If Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi's can you give quotes and link's showing his sympathy for Germany during World War 2? He wasn't a company. Prescott Bush was Hitler's personal banker in the US -- that's one way I know he was a Nazi sympathizer Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
Guthrie Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 University of Utah ... new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power. ... © 2007 The University of Utah Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
Canadian Blue Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 Hitler's personal banker, I thought Prescott Bush was associated with Thyssen. But didn't Thyssen fleed Nazi Germany in 1938. I think you are getting way ahead of yourself Guthrie. He wasn't a company. Prescott Bush was Hitler's personal banker in the US -- that's one way I know he was a Nazi sympathizer You just made that up, if Prescott Bush was Hitler's personal banker then why wouldn't the ADL want to do anything about it? You don't know that he was a nazi sympathizer, you're simply creating a pleasent fiction for yourself based on your hatred of George Bush. Browns Brothers Harriman was involved with Germany, as were many American companies. Prescott Bush was not the personal banker for Adolf Hitler, if he was I'm sure that the ADL would have disclosed that and it wouldn't be internet chatter. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
Canadian Blue Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 Guthrie, thank's for giving me a link to the Marxism mailing list archive. But I want to hear the fact's from credible people, not some marxist kid who happen's to go to the University of Utah. Many American businesses profitted from Germany during the 1930's, ever hear of IBM? Once again you have failed to show that Prescott Bush had a close relationship with Hitler, if he had I'm sure we'd have more account's of it beyond the link with Thyssen. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
Guthrie Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 Hitler's personal banker, I thought Prescott Bush was associated with Thyssen. But didn't Thyssen fleed Nazi Germany in 1938. I think you are getting way ahead of yourself Guthrie. He wasn't a company. Prescott Bush was Hitler's personal banker in the US -- that's one way I know he was a Nazi sympathizer You just made that up, if Prescott Bush was Hitler's personal banker then why wouldn't the ADL want to do anything about it? You don't know that he was a nazi sympathizer, you're simply creating a pleasent fiction for yourself based on your hatred of George Bush. Browns Brothers Harriman was involved with Germany, as were many American companies. Prescott Bush was not the personal banker for Adolf Hitler, if he was I'm sure that the ADL would have disclosed that and it wouldn't be internet chatter. see my post, just above yours of Mar 25 2007, 12:22 PM I make up nothing. I leave that to dust bunny submarine spies and right wing dupes. Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
Canadian Blue Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 That doesn't prove anything Guthrie, it doesn't show that their was a close relationship between Adolf Hitler and Prescott Bush. You've simply showed that, surprise surprise, an American company made money from Germany. By the way, you should consider getting your information from some other source. I don't think some marxist kid at the University of Utah is very credible. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
ScottSA Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 I hear Hitler started Volkswagen. Burn a dealership today! Quote
geoffrey Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 I hear Hitler started Volkswagen. Burn a dealership today! Gave Ford the Iron Cross too. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Guthrie Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 That doesn't prove anything Guthrie, it doesn't show that their was a close relationship between Adolf Hitler and Prescott Bush. You've simply showed that, surprise surprise, an American company made money from Germany. By the way, you should consider getting your information from some other source. I don't think some marxist kid at the University of Utah is very credible. like I said, I leave the making up insults toward the University of Utah and it's students, staff and faculty - I note your humorous irony with a smile. You won't accept that these guys, having had a relationship that spanned Hitler's rise from street thug to Fuhrer makes them collaberative - but you're willing to blindly hurl the label, 'Marxist,' at anyone who dares show the historic personal relationship between Hitler and Bush. Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
Canadian Blue Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 Guthrie, did you happen to read the link you provided? MARXIST MAILING LIST ARCHIVE!!! The fact that you didn't even notice the letters in bold and large font upon going to the link is telling. I note your humorous irony with a smile. You won't accept that these guys, having had a relationship that spanned Hitler's rise from street thug to Fuhrer makes them collaberative - but you're willing to blindly hurl the label, 'Marxist,' at anyone who dares show the historic personal relationship between Hitler and Bush. Are you talking about Prescott's relationship with Thyssen? That's been substantiated, however it hasn't been substantiated that Bush was a Nazi sympathizer. Simply another capitalist willing to make money off the situation as many did back then. You have failed to back up the claim that Prescott Bush was Hitler's personal banker. I highly doubt it, since I'm not aware of Prescott Bush even meeting Adolf Hitler. Bush has a dog, Hitler had a dog, coincidence, I think not!!! Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 I make up nothing. I leave that to dust bunny submarine spies and right wing dupes. And remember....cannabis is not dope....LOL! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guthrie Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 I make up nothing. I leave that to dust bunny submarine spies and right wing dupes. And remember....cannabis is not dope....LOL! it is true, cannabis is not dope - nor is it dangerous it is also true, b-c is not a retired spy - nor is he dangerous Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
Guthrie Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 Salon The Family BusinessIn 1926, after Prescott Bush had married Walker's daughter, Dorothy, Walker brought Bush in as a vice president of the private banking and investment firm of W.A. Harriman & Co., also located in New York. Bush became a partner in the firm that later became Brown Brothers Harriman and the largest private investment bank in the world. Eventually, Bush became a director of and stockholder in UBC. However, the government documents note that Bush, Harriman, Lievense and the other UBC stockholders were in fact "nominees," or phantom shareholders, for Thyssen and his Holland bank, meaning that they acted at the direct behest of their German client. ... The most tantalizing part of the story remains shrouded in mystery: the connection, if any, between Prescott Bush, Thyssen, Consolidated Silesian Steel Co. and Auschwitz. Thyssen's partner in United Steel Works, which had coal mines and steel plants across the region, was Friedrich Flick, another steel magnate who also owned part of IG Farben, the powerful German chemical company. Flick's plants in Poland made heavy use of slave labor from the concentration camps in Poland. According to a New York Times article published on March 18, 1934, Flick owned two-thirds of CSSC while "American interests" held the rest. ... The U.S. National Archive documents show that BBH's involvement with CSSC was more than simply holding the shares in the mid-1930s. Bush's friend and fellow "bonesman" Knight Woolley, another partner at BBH, wrote to Averill Harriman in January 1933 warning of problems with CSSC after the Poles started their drive to nationalize the plant. "The Consolidated Silesian Steel Company situation has become increasingly complicated, and I have accordingly brought in Sullivan and Cromwell, in order to be sure that our interests are protected," wrote Knight. "After studying the situation Foster Dulles is insisting that their man in Berlin get into the picture and obtain the information which the directors here should have. You will recall that Foster is a director and he is particularly anxious to be certain that there is no liability attaching to the American directors." But the ownership of the CSSC between 1939 when the Germans invaded Poland and 1942 when the U.S. government vested UBC and SAC is not clear. "SAC held coal mines and definitely owned CSSC between 1934 and 1935, but when SAC was vested there was no trace of CSSC. All concrete evidence of its ownership disappears after 1935 and there are only a few traces in 1938 and 1939," says Eva Schweitzer, a journalist and author whose book, "America and the Holocaust," is to be published next month. Silesia was quickly made part of the German Reich after the invasion, but while Polish factories were seized by the Nazis, those belonging to the still neutral Americans (and some other nationals) were treated more carefully, as Hitler was still hoping to persuade the U.S. to at least sit out the war as a neutral country. Schweitzer says American interests were dealt with on a case-by-case basis. The Nazis bought some out, but not others. ... The two Holocaust survivors suing the U.S. government and the Bush family for a total of $40 billion in compensation claim both materially benefited from Auschwitz slave labor during the Second World War. Kurt Julius Goldstein, 87, and Peter Gingold, 85, began a class action in America in 2001, but the case was thrown out by Judge Rosemary Collier on the grounds that the government cannot be held liable under the principle of "state sovereignty." ... Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
Canadian Blue Posted March 25, 2007 Report Posted March 25, 2007 I still haven't read anywhere that Bush was Hitler's personal banker. We already know that Thyssen and Prescott Bush worked together Guthrie. I think that was made clear a few posts ago. You have still failed to back up the claim that Prescott Bush was Hitlers personal banker, and I doubt that you will be able to show that Prescott Bush even met with Adolf Hitler. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
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