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These days you hear everything else as a threat to Western interest but hardly a word about the devastating effects to Western interest by the European Union.

The European Union comprises of 27 countries, 493 million people and has a GDP of $14.2-trillion U.S. (PPP).

This is more than the GDP of the U.S. which currently stands at $12.98-trillion (PPP)

This is comparable to a coup against the West.

Why is MSM and government for that matter, so silent on this issue?

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These days you hear everything else as a threat to Western interest but hardly a word about the devastating effects to Western interest by the European Union.

What is the MSM? Why is a United States of Europe a danger to 'western interest'? I would like to see the EU be more a player in the world for stability. A stronger EU would mean a more tempered US, and possibly Russia and China.

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These days you hear everything else as a threat to Western interest but hardly a word about the devastating effects to Western interest by the European Union.

What is the MSM? Why is a United States of Europe a danger to 'western interest'? I would like to see the EU be more a player in the world for stability. A stronger EU would mean a more tempered US, and possibly Russia and China.

The EU's interests at the end of the day are the same as the Americans, don't kid yourself. They might play games of rhetoric, but all liberal democracies have the same goals at the end.

They are no threat to us. In fact, they are an incredible, let largely untapped, market for Canadian goods.

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These days you hear everything else as a threat to Western interest but hardly a word about the devastating effects to Western interest by the European Union.

What is the MSM? Why is a United States of Europe a danger to 'western interest'? I would like to see the EU be more a player in the world for stability. A stronger EU would mean a more tempered US, and possibly Russia and China.

MSM=mainstream media.

If you are living in the West especially Canada and considering what you are saying, could relate to a lower standard of living and lost jobs, if that means anything to you.

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If you are living in the West especially Canada and considering what you are saying, could relate to a lower standard of living and lost jobs, if that means anything to you.

The world is smaller because there are more people in it, but because there are more people in Europe than in North America should not be a negative for North America in lost jobs. If North Americans only would produce what they consume, no problem. Trade agreements should be a zero sum game. You can not bring in more stuff, until the sum is zero again. Someday, people should demand it.

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They are no threat to us. In fact, they are an incredible, let largely untapped, market for Canadian goods.

Europe traditionally has little interest in Canada or it would reflect in our trade figures, which it does not.

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Leafless, we've never tried to go after the European market. We've been pretty stupid (lazy, complacent) all these years, always relying on the US to buy our resources.

We should be aggressively marketing our Canadian "stuff" (resources ft.) to the EU to broaden our base.

...jealous much?

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Leafless, we've never tried to go after the European market. We've been pretty stupid (lazy, complacent) all these years, always relying on the US to buy our resources.

We should be aggressively marketing our Canadian "stuff" (resources ft.) to the EU to broaden our base.

As usual Drea, you neglect to back up your unproven statements with fact, links or anything else.

Since 1976 trade and economic cooperation between the EU and Canada is currently based on the 1976 Framework Agreement for Commercial and Economic Cooperation. So we have been pursuing serious trade with Europe for some time.

Canada holds a steady place among the EU’s top 10 trading partners, holding 9th place in 2005 with 1.8% of the EU’s external trade. The EU accounted for over 12% of Canada’s imports in 2005, and for slightly above 5% of its exports. Conversely, Canada accounted for 1.5% of EU imports in 2005 and 2.2% of its exports.

These are a poor results concerning a European population base of 494-million people.

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Leafless

Why is MSM and government for that matter, so silent on this issue?

On that issue, why are they also just as quiet on SPP.Gov and the North American Union? If this was such a good thing for the US, then all the talking heads would be saying something about it. But you hear little to none of it on MSM. On CNN I had seen a piece with Lou Dobbs essentialy with a look on his face of bewilderment of why this is not a bigger story than it is.

Also this...

As usual Drea, you neglect to back up your unproven statements with fact, links or anything else.

Your initial post for this thread did not have ANY links at all. You are as guilty of this as her, right here and now. Care to dispute that?

And for all we know the European Union is hated by the populations of the member states involved. Never see that either in western MSM either.

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Leafless
Why is MSM and government for that matter, so silent on this issue?

On that issue, why are they also just as quiet on SPP.Gov and the North American Union? If this was such a good thing for the US, then all the talking heads would be saying something about it. But you hear little to none of it on MSM. On CNN I had seen a piece with Lou Dobbs essentialy with a look on his face of bewilderment of why this is not a bigger story than it is.

Also this...

As usual Drea, you neglect to back up your unproven statements with fact, links or anything else.

Your initial post for this thread did not have ANY links at all. You are as guilty of this as her, right here and now. Care to dispute that?

And for all we know the European Union is hated by the populations of the member states involved. Never see that either in western MSM either.

SPP.Gov and the North American Union is not talked about it, because nobody wants it. Canada and the U.S. would prefer to keep their sovereignty. I just seen this lately but I don't have a link and that is why I didn't include it as part of this topic.

BTW- In my opening post on this subject I provided some numbers which should have been adequate.

But here is the link if your interested: http://ec.europa.eu/trade/issues/bilateral...da/index_en.htm

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Leafless , I would like to reply, so can you show me, and failing that, post why they are a "threat" as you put in your title?

So you know....A threat is a declaration of intention to inflict punishment or harm on another. It can also be any source of probable impending danger (e.g. "a terrorist threat"), or a warning of an impending danger (thanks Wik)

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Leafless , I would like to reply, so can you show me, and failing that, post why they are a "threat" as you put in your title?

So you know....A threat is a declaration of intention to inflict punishment or harm on another. It can also be any source of probable impending danger (e.g. "a terrorist threat"), or a warning of an impending danger (thanks Wik)

If you really think about it guyser, since we are talking job loss and the likes, the word threat would refer to an 'economic threat'.

If you don't consider the grouping of 27 countries to bolster their competitive edge including a common currency as an 'economic threat' to other singular countries and economies of the world, then I would not know how to define 'threat' in this instance.

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If you really think about it guyser, since we are talking job loss and the likes, the word threat would refer to an 'economic threat'.

If you don't consider the grouping of 27 countries to bolster their competitive edge including a common currency as an 'economic threat' to other singular countries and economies of the world, then I would not know how to define 'threat' in this instance.

How do you make the logical step from a European Union to job losses in Canada?

To illustrate my point, if someone in France discovers a faster and better way to drive home after work, how does that harm anyone in Canada? IOW, if two Europeans find an easier way to trade with each other, how does that harm anyone in Canada?

Incidentally, Iceland and Norway are not EU members and both enjoy high standards of living.

Anyway, since when are job losses a necessarily bad thing? If no one ever lost a job through obsolescence, we'd all still be living in caves and hunting for food.

And why is this thread in "Moral & Religious Issues"?

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Leafless

f you really think about it guyser, since we are talking job loss and the likes, the word threat would refer to an 'economic threat'.

Job loss? Our jobs are going to the Europeans? I thought they were going to India, China, Mexico, Bangladesh, ect ect...... So by North American corporations expoting jobs to those countries mentioned. I really don't see how jobs are being lost to Europeans.

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I always thought that Europe was part of the West. Has the term changed so that the west consists of only Canada and the USA now? In that case then everywhere else must be a threat. So what would happen if the rest of the world deciced that they no longer wished to do business with the NEW WEST-no buying or selling raw materials or products? Who would lose out there, I imagine that this new west needs the rest of the world more than the rest of the world needs the new west.......:)

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How do you make the logical step from a European Union to job losses in Canada?

To illustrate my point, if someone in France discovers a faster and better way to drive home after work, how does that harm anyone in Canada? IOW, if two Europeans find an easier way to trade with each other, how does that harm anyone in Canada?

And why is this thread in "Moral & Religious Issues"?

Actually if you consider decreasing Canadian trade with the EU, is a recipe for less Canadian jobs.

This is due to the fact EMU can be self supporting so they could survive without trading outside the EMU area.

There are other factors that make firms more profitable thus increasing their competitive edge such as : 1. transaction cost 2. Price transparency 3. Exchange rate fluctuations eliminated 4. Single currency are I think the main ones.

Anyways they can keep their wine and cheese as far as I am concerned.

You ask, why is this thread in moral sections?

Where would you put it?

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I always thought that Europe was part of the West. Has the term changed so that the west consists of only Canada and the USA now? In that case then everywhere else must be a threat. So what would happen if the rest of the world deciced that they no longer wished to do business with the NEW WEST-no buying or selling raw materials or products? Who would lose out there, I imagine that this new west needs the rest of the world more than the rest of the world needs the new west.......:)

Defining the West depends upon where one lives.

Europe is the West relating to Europe and North America is the West relating to the U.S. and Canada.

The threat we are talking about is the integration of 27 European countries acting as a single economic force.

Can this not be considered as an economic conspiracy or a form of collusion to win the upper hand?

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