White House in 2008

Adelle · February 11, 2007

What is the chance that Ms Clinton and Mr Obama end up as Prez/Vice in 2008 and what do you thing their agenda will be.

I have been hearing quite a bit about both of them and I can't see any sort of Republican win here, even if they ran Jesus and Mohamed (two very influential fellows) as candidates. <_<

Adelle

geoffrey · February 11, 2007

What is the chance that Ms Clinton and Mr Obama end up as Prez/Vice in 2008 and what do you thing their agenda will be.

Very little. They represent some very opposing view points in a very divided Democrat Party. Obama is viciously pull out tomorrow and Clinton is pro-war.

I actually somewhat like Hilary, I think Obama is a kook.

ft.niagara · February 11, 2007

It used to be a party would look for a balanced ticket, usually north/south, to attract voters. The twist of Female/Negro would be a twist that I doubt the country is ready for. Even to this day, there has only been one Roman Catholic President. The Presidential debates will be very interesting, and it is here where the election often turns. I have heard it already reported that Obama needs more meat on the bones of his campain, and his polling numbers are not rising. He is young and might be looking 4-8-12 years out.

The problem for the Republicans is name recognition and charisma and the difficulty of campaining while your party holds the office.

Argus · February 11, 2007

What is the chance that Ms Clinton and Mr Obama end up as Prez/Vice in 2008 and what do you thing their agenda will be.
I have been hearing quite a bit about both of them and I can't see any sort of Republican win here, even if they ran Jesus and Mohamed (two very influential fellows) as candidates.

Adelle

Frankly, for the first time in my life I'm hoping for a Republican win. I like John McKay, and I can accept Rudy Giulliani. I can't stand Hillary. I think she's dishonest and adjusts her positions in light of whatever the polls say today. As for Obama, give me a break, the guy is a rookie and needs at least another ten years of seasoning. Nor do I like either of their positions on Iraq - which can be boiled down to "Run away! Run away!"

jdobbin · February 11, 2007

Frankly, for the first time in my life I'm hoping for a Republican win. I like John McKay, and I can accept Rudy Giulliani. I can't stand Hillary. I think she's dishonest and adjusts her positions in light of whatever the polls say today. As for Obama, give me a break, the guy is a rookie and needs at least another ten years of seasoning. Nor do I like either of their positions on Iraq - which can be boiled down to "Run away! Run away!"

I think you mean McCain. And he has many Republicans who are suspicious of him because he might not be as big a social conservative as they'd like. Ditto on Guilliani.

As far as Iraq goes, I don't think the Americans are going to accept more time in the Iraq id there are no improvements. Do you see more improvements? So far this month, it is four soldiers a day dying and the British are leaving in several months. It will just be the Americans soon.

jdobbin · February 11, 2007

What is the chance that Ms Clinton and Mr Obama end up as Prez/Vice in 2008 and what do you thing their agenda will be.
I have been hearing quite a bit about both of them and I can't see any sort of Republican win here, even if they ran Jesus and Mohamed (two very influential fellows) as candidates.

Don't rule out John Edwards or Bill Richardson. There could also be candidates who emerge in the next months.

It is extremely early for a an election campaign to be announced. Pretty much unheard of. Some of the early candidates could just run out of money or steam.

jdobbin · February 11, 2007

The problem for the Republicans is name recognition and charisma and the difficulty of campaining while your party holds the office.

Campaigning while in office has always been seen as an advantage. Campaigning while still in Iraq is not.

Wilber · February 11, 2007

I think you mean McCain. And he has many Republicans who are suspicious of him because he might not be as big a social conservative as they'd like. Ditto on Guilliani.

That may be so but they are probably the only two Republicans who would stand any chance of being elected at this point.

newbie · February 11, 2007

Keep your eye on Obama, and for running mate either Clinton or Edwards.

White Doors · February 11, 2007

Giuliani will be the next Pres of the US.

geoffrey · February 11, 2007

Giuliani will be the next Pres of the US.

I'd somewhat like to agree with you. A socially moderate Republican is a good deal. Especially if he's a little more fiscally responsible than the current administration.

jdobbin · February 11, 2007

That may be so but they are probably the only two Republicans who would stand any chance of being elected at this point.

Quite possibly. But they will have to be more opposed to Bush to gain any traction.

apollo19 · February 11, 2007

What is the chance that Ms Clinton and Mr Obama end up as Prez/Vice in 2008 and what do you thing their agenda will be.
I have been hearing quite a bit about both of them and I can't see any sort of Republican win here, even if they ran Jesus and Mohamed (two very influential fellows) as candidates.

Adelle

I think there is zero chance that Clinton or Obama will win the White House. Obama won't even win the Democratic nominaton, Hillary will make sure of that. Both of their positions are too far out there, and while Clinton has maybe too much recognition (which makes her a divider), Obama doesn't have enough (which means people don't trust him). Whoever the GOP nomination is will have a very good chance just in the starting gate, without any campaigning.

White Doors · February 12, 2007

Giuliani will be the next Pres of the US.

I'd somewhat like to agree with you. A socially moderate Republican is a good deal. Especially if he's a little more fiscally responsible than the current administration.

If not for the war, which was thrust upon them, (Iraq or not) the government purse of the US would be the best in a generation. That INCLUDES all of the socialistic programs that Bush has put in since in power. Bush is really more to the left than Clinton ever was. The proof is in the pudding.

jdobbin · February 12, 2007

I think there is zero chance that Clinton or Obama will win the White House. Obama won't even win the Democratic nominaton, Hillary will make sure of that. Both of their positions are too far out there, and while Clinton has maybe too much recognition (which makes her a divider), Obama doesn't have enough (which means people don't trust him). Whoever the GOP nomination is will have a very good chance just in the starting gate, without any campaigning.

The Republicans will still have the Iraqi monkey on their back. I'm afraid that you sound just like the right wingers here in the weeks and days ahead of the mid-terms who were convinced of Republican victories in both the Senate and the House.

jdobbin · February 12, 2007

If not for the war, which was thrust upon them, (Iraq or not) the government purse of the US would be the best in a generation. That INCLUDES all of the socialistic programs that Bush has put in since in power. Bush is really more to the left than Clinton ever was. The proof is in the pudding.

Thrust upon them? They advocated for the war and had remained optimistic about it until this year.

First I've heard of you saying Bush is socialistic. If that is the case, he was helped all along in this by a Republican controlled Senate and House.

Remiel · February 12, 2007

I have to question the character of anyone who can say the Liberals were corrupt and should never of lasted for thirteen years, and then go on to say the Republicans should be elected for a third time in the row after causing a disaster exponentially exponetially worse than every " terrible " thing the Liberals did.

newbie · February 12, 2007

I think there is zero chance that Clinton or Obama will win the White House. Obama won't even win the Democratic nominaton...

Well, the repubs thought they'd regain the senate too in the midterms. Politics is strange, Dion case in point. I wouldn't rule out Obama though.

BubberMiley · February 12, 2007

I think the dems could run my dog this time around and win. The Republicans are imploding and will never recover by November 08.

Catchme · February 12, 2007

Keep your eye on Obama, and for running mate either Clinton or Edwards.

Yes, it will be these 3 with the 2nd up being the running mate. My bets are on Edwards Obama or Obama Edwards. Though Hilary could sneak in there as vice prez to Obama. The GOP do not have a chance, unless they try to steal it yet again. Doubt it would fly a third time

geoffrey · February 12, 2007

How could Hillary and Obama work out? Their views are very different, Hillary from the reasonable side of things, and Obama from the radical end of the American spectrum.

Obama and Edwards or Hillary and Edwards. That's it, that's all.

Though it's all a waste of time if Gulliani is running for the GOP. A social moderate (he's pro-choice, pro-SSM....) that's also fiscally conservative and strong on security is a tough candidate to beat in the US.

You've got to stop looking at the race like it's in Canada. Obama wins in Toronto, Hillary wins in Calgary... Gulliani wins in New York and Texas.

Argus · February 12, 2007

I think there is zero chance that Clinton or Obama will win the White House. Obama won't even win the Democratic nominaton...

Well, the repubs thought they'd regain the senate too in the midterms. Politics is strange, Dion case in point. I wouldn't rule out Obama though.

He made his first big stupid mistake yesterday. Australia's Howard questioned his cut and run policy and Obama basically sneered at Australia's contribution to the war. By doing so he insulted all Australians, and showed contempt for their troops. He's also denigrating the contribution of all the other small nations which have contributed troops to the war in Iraq and Afghanistan by saying, in effect "If you don't have tens of thousands of troops in the field like us, then shut your mouth. We don't want your opinion."

Argus · February 12, 2007

Keep your eye on Obama, and for running mate either Clinton or Edwards.

Yes, it will be these 3 with the 2nd up being the running mate. My bets are on Edwards Obama or Obama Edwards. Though Hilary could sneak in there as vice prez to Obama. The GOP do not have a chance, unless they try to steal it yet again. Doubt it would fly a third time

If Edwards wins they'll want someone older and more experienced to balance him out. They won't put two young, inexperienced men on the ticket.

Argus · February 12, 2007

I have to question the character of anyone who can say the Liberals were corrupt and should never of lasted for thirteen years, and then go on to say the Republicans should be elected for a third time in the row after causing a disaster exponentially exponetially worse than every " terrible " thing the Liberals did.

The thing about the US political system is that when the president changes the whole hierarchy of power changes, along with a huge network of support in the administration - ie, all those people in the US government working under appointment. You don't get the same cast of characters like we do here in Canada. You'll have a 100% new cabinet, 100% new set of political advisers and aides, and an entirely new policy.

I don't like Bush, but he's gone, as is Cheney, as is the rest of them, regardless of who wins the election.

Meanwhile, in Canada, we have the exact same cast of characters in the Liberal Party except the head cheeseheads.

Dion pounding the pulpit about the environment is like Dick Cheney pounding the pulpit, running for president, claiming that the US needs to get out of Iraq and never should have gone in.

BubberMiley · February 12, 2007

Dion pounding the pulpit about the environment is like Dick Cheney pounding the pulpit, running for president, claiming that the US needs to get out of Iraq and never should have gone in.

That's a very weak analogy. It's not like Dion ever actively campaigned against the environment, as the Conservatives have done.