Riverwind Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 CNN on the madrassa:Get ready expensive ads paid for by MSFT (Madrassa Students for Truth). Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
August1991 Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 From CNN article: Obama lived in Indonesia as a child, from 1967 to 1971, with his mother and step-father and has acknowledged attending a Muslim school, but an aide said it was not a madrassa.That's like saying "he attended a French school but it was not an école."There are all types of schools and I think I'd be more shocked to learn that Obama had not attended one at all. He was all of 7 or 8 years old when he went to this one. The message will stick however and the message is that Barak Hussein Obama went to a Muslim school when he was young. Get ready expensive ads paid for by MSFT (Madrassa Students for Truth).Made me laugh! Quote
GostHacked Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/oba...assa/index.html Looks like none of it was actually true. I wonder who in their 'right' mind would conjure up these lies. Since Obama was born in another country, is there even a chance he can be President? I thought since Ahnold does not have a chance untill the rules/qualifications change for becomming president, Obama is in the same position. They can be state heads, congress/house reps, but not the President, for the fact they were not born in the US. Is Arnold a naturalized American? If Obama gets the Presidential nod, and Arnold does not, that just does not make sense to me. Maybe someone can enlighten me on this situation. Has anyone even considered it? Quote
Wilber Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 What are the odds of someone with a middle name of Hussein getting elected President of the United States in this decade. Not good methinks. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 If Obama gets the Presidential nod, and Arnold does not, that just does not make sense to me. Maybe someone can enlighten me on this situation. Has anyone even considered it? Obama was born in Honolulu Hawaii. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guthrie Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 What are the odds of someone with a middle name of Hussein getting elected President of the United States in this decade. Not good methinks. this was offered as a sad sarcastic joke about bigotry??? Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
jdobbin Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 this was offered as a sad sarcastic joke about bigotry??? It hasn't hurt Obama so far. Quote
Wilber Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 What are the odds of someone with a middle name of Hussein getting elected President of the United States in this decade. Not good methinks. this was offered as a sad sarcastic joke about bigotry??? It was offered as reality. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Guthrie Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 What are the odds of someone with a middle name of Hussein getting elected President of the United States in this decade. Not good methinks. this was offered as a sad sarcastic joke about bigotry??? It was offered as reality. your reality is a little hateful and bleak meanwhile... in Ho-o-llywood Gore is nominated again!!!! this time, for an Oscar -- the Motion Picture Academy has nominated Gore's movie - 'An Inconvenient Truth' Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
Wilber Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 your reality is a little hateful and bleak Call it pragmatism then. Not hateful at all. I have nothing against the guy. He may be the best out there. It's just the way I see it the situation and of course, I could be wrong. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Guthrie Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 your reality is a little hateful and bleak Call it pragmatism then. Not hateful at all. I have nothing against the guy. He may be the best out there. It's just the way I see it the situation and of course, I could be wrong. No, hateful is correct. So is bleak. --- of course I agree with your last two admissions, "It's just the way I see it the situation and of course, I could be wrong." let's hope your picture of the lowest and worst kind of bigotry really is wrong --- let's hope America is better than that Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
Wilber Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 let's hope your picture of the lowest and worst kind of bigotry really is wrong --- let's hope America is better than that Bigotry manifests itself in many ways that are far worse than this and in many cases it may not even be bigotry, just ignorance. It will be interesting to watch this play out. I just don't see it as being a plus if you are trying to get elected President. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Guthrie Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 let's hope your picture of the lowest and worst kind of bigotry really is wrong --- let's hope America is better than that Bigotry manifests itself in many ways that are far worse than this and in many cases it may not even be bigotry, just ignorance. It will be interesting to watch this play out. I just don't see it as being a plus if you are trying to get elected President. "Bigotry manifests itself in many ways that are far worse than this ..." I disagree completely. Deciding a persons qualifications for presidency based on his middle name? No, one can NOT be more bigotted than that. "... many cases it may not even be bigotry, just ignorance..." Ignorance is a prerequisite for bigotry and not a defense against it. So arguing ignorance is offering support for claiming bigotry. "I just don't see it as being a plus if you are trying to get elected President." -- I guess I agree to this observation but I am wondering how the observation applies to anything? Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
Wilber Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 "Bigotry manifests itself in many ways that are far worse than this ..." I disagree completely. Deciding a persons qualifications for presidency based on his middle name? No, one can NOT be more bigotted than that. Come on, not getting a job because of bigotry is its worst manifestation? I don't think so. How about Apartheid and the Holocaust just for starters? I agree, it wouldn't be fair but don't get carried away. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted January 23, 2007 Report Posted January 23, 2007 "... many cases it may not even be bigotry, just ignorance..." Ignorance is a prerequisite for bigotry and not a defense against it. So arguing ignorance is offering support for claiming bigotry. Often, but history is full of well educated bigots. "I just don't see it as being a plus if you are trying to get elected President." -- I guess I agree to this observation but I am wondering how the observation applies to anything? It's just that, an observation and one that may or may not have an effect on the outcome. It has nothing to do with his qualifications or ability, other than his ability to get elected, nothing more. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Guthrie Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 "... many cases it may not even be bigotry, just ignorance..." Ignorance is a prerequisite for bigotry and not a defense against it. So arguing ignorance is offering support for claiming bigotry. Often, but history is full of well educated bigots. "I just don't see it as being a plus if you are trying to get elected President." -- I guess I agree to this observation but I am wondering how the observation applies to anything? It's just that, an observation and one that may or may not have an effect on the outcome. It has nothing to do with his qualifications or ability, other than his ability to get elected, nothing more. "Well educated bigots?" - No, there is no such thing. Educated, perhaps but not, well educated. Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
Canadian Blue Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 "Well educated bigots?" - No, there is no such thing. Educated, perhaps but not, well educated. How do you define "well educated"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Luther_Pierce Pierce was born on September 11, 1933 in Atlanta, Georgia. His father William L. Pierce II was born in Christiansburg, Virginia in 1892. His mother Marguerite Farrell was born in Richland, Georgia in 1910. Her family were part of the aristocracy of the Old South, being a descendant of Thomas H. Watts, the Governor of Alabama and Attorney General of the Confederate States of America.[2] Pierce's father once served as a government representative on ocean-going cargo ships and sent reports back to Washington.[3] Later his father owned an insurance agency and died in a car accident in 1942.[4] After his father’s death the family, which included a younger brother, moved to Montgomery, Alabama and then to Dallas, Texas.[5]He did well in school, skipping one grade. His last two years in high school were spent in a military academy.[6] As a teenager his hobbies and interests were model rockets, chemistry, radios, electronics and reading science fiction.[7] He had hopes of one day becoming an astronaut.[8] After finishing military school in 1951, Pierce worked briefly in an oil field as a roustabout. He injured himself when a four inch pipe fell upon his hand and spent the rest of that summer working as a shoe salesman.[9] Pierce earned a scholarship to attend Rice University in Houston, Texas. He graduated from Rice University in 1955 with a bachelors degree in physics.[10] He worked at the Los Alamos National Laboratory before attending graduate school, first at Caltech and then the University of Colorado at Boulder, where he earned his Ph.D. in 1962. He taught physics as an assistant professor at Oregon State University from 1962 to 1965.[11] At Caltech Pierce met Patricia Jones, a mathematician. They were married in 1957 and had twin sons born in 1962.[12] What did he do: The Turner Diaries is a 1978 novel by Dr. William Luther Pierce (under the pseudonym Andrew Macdonald), the late leader of the National Alliance, a white separatist organization. The novel depicts a violent racist revolutionary struggle in the United States that escalates into global genocide, leading to the extermination of all people who are not white.[1] For novelist Pierce, this was not a dystopian outcome, but rather the fulfillment of his "dream of a White world".The novel was initially only available through mail order and at gun shows, and partially serialized in National Alliance publications. Sales figures as high as 500,000 have been claimed. The novel is now available for sale through mainstream book sources (ISBN 1-56980-086-3), or freely available from white supremacist websites. According to the book description accompanying the 1996 edition published by Barricade Books, the United States Department of Justice considers the novel to be a manifesto for far right militia groups, while the Federal Bureau of Investigation believes that it served as inspiration for the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995. Ever hear of Ted Kaczynski... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Kaczynski or for that matter... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Girnt_Butler Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
Guthrie Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 is it your choice to claim one can be both, 'well educated,' and, 'a bigot?' because, none of your anecdotes mean anything to me over this question --- any, 'well educated,' person, in today's world, knows that such divisions are nonsense - that is the bottom line, there is no wiggle room for hate mongers to come in and claim to be well educated - Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
blackascoal Posted January 24, 2007 Author Report Posted January 24, 2007 I wouldn't be so quick to count on Gulliani if you know anything about his track record. He doesn't appear to be serious about this run for the White House, just like his half-hearted effort to run for the Senate against Hillary Clinton in 2000. All the pronouncements, fund-raising, and republican hopes for his run, and he just flamed-out. McCain is already shrinking due to his support of Bush, the surge in Iraq, and a continued military presence in a war that we've already lost. If he was smart, he's jump ship like the rest of the republicans .. even Lizzy Dole has bailed out. Ron Paul is a good candidate, but right-wing conservatives will not support him and his ability to raise the incredible amount of money needed to run is questionable. I think it fairly safe to say that there will be no republican in the White House in 2008 .. thank you George Bush. In fact, if the democrats play it smart, they may have the same total control of government in 2008 that the republicans had for the past 6 years. But I wouldn't count on the democrats playing it smart either. There is a gaping hole in the concept of democracy .. and it's called money. Quote
blackascoal Posted January 24, 2007 Author Report Posted January 24, 2007 is it your choice to claim one can be both, 'well educated,' and, 'a bigot?'because, none of your anecdotes mean anything to me over this question --- any, 'well educated,' person, in today's world, knows that such divisions are nonsense - that is the bottom line, there is no wiggle room for hate mongers to come in and claim to be well educated - I totally agree. Hate-mongers only appear intelligent to sheeple who stand for nothing, thus they'll fall for anything. Look no further than the American south where the confederate flag is still looked upon by many as a symbol of "culture". Zero intelligence. At least the German people had the wisdom to rid themselves of the vestiges of their period of evil and hate. Thus, one cannot fly the swaztiga in Germany today. Quote
Wilber Posted January 24, 2007 Report Posted January 24, 2007 is it your choice to claim one can be both, 'well educated,' and, 'a bigot?'because, none of your anecdotes mean anything to me over this question --- any, 'well educated,' person, in today's world, knows that such divisions are nonsense - that is the bottom line, there is no wiggle room for hate mongers to come in and claim to be well educated - Depends on your definition of well educated. There are plenty of bigots with a good education. One does not have to be stupid or poorly educated to be a bigot. On the contrary, most dangerous bigots are the smart ones who in many cases have been to good schools. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
jdobbin Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 It seems that the right wing is trying to smear the John Edwards campaign as well with the Madrassa story. And Rush Limbaugh and some other right wingers have taken to calling Obama Half-African American. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16826243/ Quote
blackascoal Posted January 29, 2007 Author Report Posted January 29, 2007 It seems that the right wing is trying to smear the John Edwards campaign as well with the Madrassa story.And Rush Limbaugh and some other right wingers have taken to calling Obama Half-African American. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16826243/ I don't believe that any of that will work for the right. They've been exposed and the American people aren't that stupid. Quote
Wilber Posted January 29, 2007 Report Posted January 29, 2007 It seems that the right wing is trying to smear the John Edwards campaign as well with the Madrassa story.And Rush Limbaugh and some other right wingers have taken to calling Obama Half-African American. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16826243/ The clip says nothing about "some other right wingers" calling Obama a Halfrican American so Rush is not the only one who can make stuff up. First time I have ever heard him called a comedian though. Somehow that word just doesn't come to mind when I think of old Rush. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
blackascoal Posted January 29, 2007 Author Report Posted January 29, 2007 It seems that the right wing is trying to smear the John Edwards campaign as well with the Madrassa story. And Rush Limbaugh and some other right wingers have taken to calling Obama Half-African American. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16826243/ The clip says nothing about "some other right wingers" calling Obama a Halfrican American so Rush is not the only one who can make stuff up. First time I have ever heard him called a comedian though. Somehow that word just doesn't come to mind when I think of old Rush. Buffoon does come to mind. Quote
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