Is Terrorism Fine When the USA is Behind it?

[Catchme]

Explosions hit southern Iran

Three explosions have occurred in the south of Iran, an Iranian news agency reported.

The explosions were recorded on Thursday in Khorramshahr in the Iranian border province of Khuzestan.

"The three explosions were so strong that they shook windows of houses," the semi-official Fars news agency said.

Explosions in Iran

Troops raid Iranian offices in Iraqi city

Bush, again rejecting information to the contrary foolishly rushes into the use of violence.

Guardian Unlimited

US soldiers raided Iranian government offices in the Iraqi city of Irbil today, hours after George Bush pledged to "seek out and destroy" Iran's networks in Iraq....The US military issued a statement saying it had taken six people into custody in the Irbil region, but made no mention of a raid on the Iranian consulate.

The raid came shortly after Mr Bush rejected the Iraq Study Group's recommendation to open diplomatic channels to Iran and Syria

Bush the Fool!

U.S. detains Iranians in Iraq, Iran summons envoys

Iran's foreign ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini told state-run radio that the raid was "against a diplomatic mission" since the "presence of Iranian staffers in Irbil was legal."

Illegal Attack on Consulate and Detainment of Peoples

[blackascoal]

The Bush Administration is desperately trying to provoke Iran into a conflict as justification to do the bidding of Israel.

Russia, China, and the trest of the world clearly see through the ruse.

As the adage goes .. If you want to stop terrorism .. stop using it.

[Canadian Blue]

As we all know the Russian's and Chinese are countries with superior ethic's, and have never had a history of human rights violation's.

I wish we were more like Russia and China.

[blackascoal]

As we all know the Russian's and Chinese are countries with superior ethic's, and have never had a history of human rights violation's.

I wish we were more like Russia and China.

Russia and China have more global respect around the world now than America does.

In fact, a majority of british people think the best thing they can do to avoid terrorism is to distance themselves from America. The BRITS .. who are America's closest ally.

Additionally, my comment had nothing to do with ethics. But, I'm coming to recognize your "style" of debate .. which is to avoid issues actually germaine to the conversation.

Let me help you out my brother.

My comment was in response to the previous post regarding an attack in Iran. .. I commented about Russia and China because they are exactly who America has had to run and appeal to for any resolutions on Iran. Additionally, Russia and China are forming an even stronger alliance and attacking Iran may ultimately mean confronting an allied Russia and China.

Given the fact they we have gotten out ass kicked in small virtually unarmed nations .. would a confrontation with a united Russia, China .. and a whole lot of other nations .. including many of them who have the oil ... and that China owns the US debt .. would a confrontation with Russia and China be a wise thing to do?

If you could focus on the real adult aspects of this issue, it could make for really good conversation.

[America1]

As we all know the Russian's and Chinese are countries with superior ethic's, and have never had a history of human rights violation's.

I wish we were more like Russia and China.

Russia and China have more global respect around the world now than America does.

In fact, a majority of british people think the best thing they can do to avoid terrorism is to distance themselves from America. The BRITS .. who are America's closest ally.

Additionally, my comment had nothing to do with ethics. But, I'm coming to recognize your "style" of debate .. which is to avoid issues actually germaine to the conversation.

Let me help you out my brother.

My comment was in response to the previous post regarding an attack in Iran. .. I commented about Russia and China because they are exactly who America has had to run and appeal to for any resolutions on Iran. Additionally, Russia and China are forming an even stronger alliance and attacking Iran may ultimately mean confronting an allied Russia and China.

Given the fact they we have gotten out ass kicked in small virtually unarmed nations .. would a confrontation with a united Russia, China .. and a whole lot of other nations .. including many of them who have the oil ... and that China owns the US debt .. would a confrontation with Russia and China be a wise thing to do?

If you could focus on the real adult aspects of this issue, it could make for really good conversation.

We killed Saddam and his sons and replaced his gvt with a new one? We took the capital in 2 months. Who got thier *ass kicked in the actual fighting in open war?

In short, you're a F'en moron!

[Black Dog]

We killed Saddam and his sons and replaced his gvt with a new one?

Gee, I though the *Iraqi government* killed Saddam? Freudian slip?

We took the capital in 2 months.

Which explains the pece and quiet in Baghdad today. Oh...shit.

Who got thier *ass kicked in the actual fighting in open war?

And, as we all know, might always makes right.

I'm always surprised when pro-war types cite the speedy victory of the most powerful military on the planet over one of the sorriest fighting forces around (the Iraqis had "infantry" fighting in flip flops and bluejeans for chrissakes!). Like, doesn't that kind of disprove the idea that Iraq was a threat?

[blackascoal]

As we all know the Russian's and Chinese are countries with superior ethic's, and have never had a history of human rights violation's.

I wish we were more like Russia and China.

Russia and China have more global respect around the world now than America does.

In fact, a majority of british people think the best thing they can do to avoid terrorism is to distance themselves from America. The BRITS .. who are America's closest ally.

Additionally, my comment had nothing to do with ethics. But, I'm coming to recognize your "style" of debate .. which is to avoid issues actually germaine to the conversation.

Let me help you out my brother.

My comment was in response to the previous post regarding an attack in Iran. .. I commented about Russia and China because they are exactly who America has had to run and appeal to for any resolutions on Iran. Additionally, Russia and China are forming an even stronger alliance and attacking Iran may ultimately mean confronting an allied Russia and China.

Given the fact they we have gotten out ass kicked in small virtually unarmed nations .. would a confrontation with a united Russia, China .. and a whole lot of other nations .. including many of them who have the oil ... and that China owns the US debt .. would a confrontation with Russia and China be a wise thing to do?

If you could focus on the real adult aspects of this issue, it could make for really good conversation.

We killed Saddam and his sons and replaced his gvt with a new one? We took the capital in 2 months. Who got thier *ass kicked in the actual fighting in open war?

In short, you're a F'en moron!

That's dumb.

We won a lot of battles in Vietnam too .. but who won the war?

If you aren't aware that we are about to face another Saigon moment in Iraq .. and that Bush is desperately seeking a way out .. evident by the "need" to send additional troops to Iraq .. and that the rest of the world has abandoned us in Iraq .. then please talk to someone else on your obviously huge and exciting intellectual level.

[blackascoal]

We killed Saddam and his sons and replaced his gvt with a new one?

Gee, I though the *Iraqi government* killed Saddam? Freudian slip?

We took the capital in 2 months.

Which explains the pece and quiet in Baghdad today. Oh...shit.

Who got thier *ass kicked in the actual fighting in open war?

And, as we all know, might always makes right.

I'm always surprised when pro-war types cite the speedy victory of the most powerful military on the planet over one of the sorriest fighting forces around (the Iraqis had "infantry" fighting in flip flops and bluejeans for chrissakes!). Like, doesn't that kind of disprove the idea that Iraq was a threat?

I've misjudged you.

I apologize.

[Canadian Blue]

Personally, even though I disagree with the USA, I would always support them over Russia and China.

As for Russia and China having more respect, yeah, maybe from retard's who have no idea about what goes on in Russia and China.

Ever hear of Chechnya or Tibet?

We killed Saddam and his sons and replaced his gvt with a new one? We took the capital in 2 months. Who got thier *ass kicked in the actual fighting in open war?

In short, you're a F'en moron!

Look at Vietnam, I think American's are currently losing due to the guerilla warfare being employed against them.

If you could focus on the real adult aspects of this issue, it could make for really good conversation.

Sorry, I tend to consider people who are historical revisionist's as nutjob's.

[M.Dancer]

As we all know the Russian's and Chinese are countries with superior ethic's, and have never had a history of human rights violation's.

I wish we were more like Russia and China.

Russia and China have more global respect around the world now than America does.

So if the US were to exterminate as many people ...what? somewhere in the 12 million mark..as the russians and chinese, the US would have respect?

Russia? Respect? Russia gets the same kind of respect that Don Corleone got. Except Corleone was a man of his word. Russia is a kleptocracy of the first order and everyonme knows it. China on the otherhand desires nothing more the total hegamony over the region. Only time will tell whether they will go the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere or something more benign.

[M.Dancer]

The iranian consolate story btw, is being denied by the US. They say the building had no dipomatic immunity.

Now I realize some may think that Iran has more respect than then US, but given a choice of who to trust, the US or a nation that murders canadian journalists, funds terrorists and dreams of a second holocaust....

[Canadian Blue]

Here's a better question for the people that say they have more respect for Russia and China.

If you were to be displaced in your country, and you had to choose between the US, China, or Russia, which one would you honestly choose?

[Guthrie]

Here's a better question for the people that say they have more respect for Russia and China.

If you were to be displaced in your country, and you had to choose between the US, China, or Russia, which one would you honestly choose?

how come no one ever lists Amsterdam in the choices -

Got a pocket full of money

got me a long night a-head

quick stop by the Bull Dog

...

[newbie]

In short, you're a F'en moron!

And you wonder why some people are against Americans? Nice attitude.

[Canadian Blue]

how come no one ever lists Amsterdam in the choices -

Because apparently the Dutch are complicit with the American's and their "imperialist agenda".

As well answer the question.

[blackascoal]

Here's a better question for the people that say they have more respect for Russia and China.

If you were to be displaced in your country, and you had to choose between the US, China, or Russia, which one would you honestly choose?

Perhaps you can point out who said they had more respect for Russia and China.

What I said was that China and Russia have more global respect than the US today and America is considered the most dangerous nation on the planet .. next to Israel. It should be fairly easy for you to validate or discredit that statement .. instead of dabbling in strawman arguments that were never suggested.

But then again ... I'm not surprised.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Russia and China have more global respect around the world now than America does.

That says more about the thugs and thug apoligists (europe) than it does about america, friend.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Russia and China have more global respect around the world now than America does.

That says more aobut the thugs and the thug-apologists (europe) in the rest of the world than it does about America, my friend.

[Canadian Blue]

What I said was that China and Russia have more global respect than the US today and America is considered the most dangerous nation on the planet .. next to Israel. It should be fairly easy for you to validate or discredit that statement .. instead of dabbling in strawman arguments that were never suggested.

But then again ... I'm not surprised.

I don't consider America or Israel as dangerous as North Korea, Iran, or China.

For that matter what did Israel do that was so dangerous, defend itself while it was being attacked.

[blackascoal]

Russia and China have more global respect around the world now than America does.

That says more aobut the thugs and the thug-apologists (europe) in the rest of the world than it does about America, my friend.

I disagree my brother.

We are in the midst of two failed wars, we are attacking and provoking in Iran and threatening others in the region, and we are bombing in Somalia .. but It's their fault that they think we're dangerous?

The truth is, we are dangerous and out of control .. and a great many Americans believe that as well on both sides of the political divide. Who's fault is that?

[White Doors]

Russia and China have more global respect around the world now than America does.

That says more aobut the thugs and the thug-apologists (europe) in the rest of the world than it does about America, my friend.

I disagree my brother.

We are in the midst of two failed wars, we are attacking and provoking in Iran and threatening others in the region, and we are bombing in Somalia .. but It's their fault that they think we're dangerous?

The truth is, we are dangerous and out of control .. and a great many Americans believe that as well on both sides of the political divide. Who's fault is that?

Not sure, but I don't see many Bosnian, Serbian or Croation suicide bombers anywhere.. Do you?

Facts are neat!

[JerrySeinfeld]

Russia and China have more global respect around the world now than America does.

That says more aobut the thugs and the thug-apologists (europe) in the rest of the world than it does about America, my friend.

I disagree my brother.

We are in the midst of two failed wars, we are attacking and provoking in Iran and threatening others in the region, and we are bombing in Somalia .. but It's their fault that they think we're dangerous?

The truth is, we are dangerous and out of control .. and a great many Americans believe that as well on both sides of the political divide. Who's fault is that?

The US used force to enforce UN resolution with respect to weapons inspections which were flouted by Saddam for 10 years after the gulf war. Force that the UN never would have used. Enforcement is an integral part of UN resolutions.

That Sunnis and Shia wanna kick eachother to shit is unfortunate. But the US has only lost 3000 soldier in the years its been there - hardly an asskicking.

If you haven't heard, Iran and Syria and funding and arming the insurgency in Iraq. If the US wants to take action to stop that it has every right.

As well, Ahmedinejad has publically stated on more than one occasion that his intention is to "wipe Israel off the map".

He has also publically pursued a Nuclear program for Iran in between these anti-jew hate speeches - a program which, by the way, is opposed by virtually the entire western world yet he continues. Why? Because Ahmedinejad knows this: the only country in the world that backs up it's demands with enforcement is the USA - and they're kinda busy right now.

The US mid-east strategy will pay off lnog run if we're patient - alot to ask for a culture with a 5 minute attention span. Meantime, if Bush wants to take on Iran in a proxy battle inside Iraq, good on him.

[White Doors]

Nice post Jerry. Finally - strategic thinking!

[blackascoal]

Russia and China have more global respect around the world now than America does.

That says more aobut the thugs and the thug-apologists (europe) in the rest of the world than it does about America, my friend.

I disagree my brother.

We are in the midst of two failed wars, we are attacking and provoking in Iran and threatening others in the region, and we are bombing in Somalia .. but It's their fault that they think we're dangerous?

The truth is, we are dangerous and out of control .. and a great many Americans believe that as well on both sides of the political divide. Who's fault is that?

The US used force to enforce UN resolution with respect to weapons inspections which were flouted by Saddam for 10 years after the gulf war. Force that the UN never would have used. Enforcement is an integral part of UN resolutions.

That Sunnis and Shia wanna kick eachother to shit is unfortunate. But the US has only lost 3000 soldier in the years its been there - hardly an asskicking.

If you haven't heard, Iran and Syria and funding and arming the insurgency in Iraq. If the US wants to take action to stop that it has every right.

As well, Ahmedinejad has publically stated on more than one occasion that his intention is to "wipe Israel off the map".

He has also publically pursued a Nuclear program for Iran in between these anti-jew hate speeches - a program which, by the way, is opposed by virtually the entire western world yet he continues. Why? Because Ahmedinejad knows this: the only country in the world that backs up it's demands with enforcement is the USA - and they're kinda busy right now.

The US mid-east strategy will pay off lnog run if we're patient - alot to ask for a culture with a 5 minute attention span. Meantime, if Bush wants to take on Iran in a proxy battle inside Iraq, good on him.

With all due respect brother, I find your comments astounding at this point in the knowledge of what really happened.

Would you support an attack on Israel for its violations of UN Resolutions .. which far exceed those that Iraq was in violation of. In fact, Israel is in violation of more UN Resolutions than any nation in its history.

I suspect that you would not support an attack on Israel .. but either UN Resolutions are valid or they are not. Suddenly "enforcement" means something else.

You post your comments as if you are completely unaware of the fallout from this disaster. Are you suggesting that America needs no allies? That we have "the right" to do whatever we want and murder whomever we want?

The mindless attack on Iraq only empowered Iran, who is the only real winner in this horror. Now, Bush and his minions have set their sights on Iran .. but where are the troops going to come from? Are you going to join up to fight for a cause you believe in?

With all the fraud and deception that has been revealed, you are among a tiny minority who still refuse to face the reality of this monumental blunder.

[geoffrey]

That's not terrorism.

When an American attacks children at a disco or pizzeria, then I'll see your point.

American's don't intentionally target civilians... not as a policy level. Of course there is some wacko's in the US military that commit crimes, but like Abu Garab they were quickly prosecuted. From the other side that sort of business is cheered on and encouraged.

From a policy level, Americans fight quite clean compared to most nations of the world.

Your completely blind to reality if you can equate US raids on Iranian terrorist offices with bombing a nightclub or flying planes into office buildings. Grow up.