An Excercise In Enviro-Crowd Logic

[JerrySeinfeld]

Picture the following scenario:

Before you were born, all days were not the same temperature. Some days were cool and some were warmer. Then you are born. One day you fart. Then the next day it gets warmer out. Based upon "logic", you take credit for warming the day by farting.

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[Canuck E Stan]

Picture the following scenario:

Before you were born, all days were not the same temperature. Some days were cool and some were warmer. Then you are born. One day you fart. Then the next day it gets warmer out. Based upon "logic", you take credit for warming the day by farting.

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Jerry,

I just crapped my pants,what does that do to the weather?

-CES

[jdobbin]

I guess you can find a new political party to elect next time because the Tories are talking global warming.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/storm_park

Baird watched an Inconvenient Truth.

He said he has also taken time to watch the documentary "An Inconvenient Truth," made by former U.S. vice president Al Gore, on the dangers of global warming.

[Canuck E Stan]

I guess you can find a new political party to elect next time because the Tories are talking global warming.

And I guess you can now vote for the Tories because unlike the Liberals you won't have to wait 10 years to see something get done.

[Catchme]

Most certainly it will get done, but not because ogf the CPC and Baird's watching Gore's movie. But because the NDP, guarding the gates of Canada as usual, were the ones going to and will bring down the government unless the Clear Act is completely re-written.

That is why Harper went to Layton and asked him and the NDP to go over the Clean Air Act and make changes well before Baird came into the scene. The committee re-writing it is already on the go since well before Christmas.

So... apparently people should be voting NDP who are environemntally concerned because the other 2 parties do not care, just as they don't about pretty much anything else either. Harper wanted to wait until 2050 before we started doing anything. And the Liberals have done nothing for 13 years.

[Canuck E Stan]

So... apparently people should be voting NDP who are environemntally concerned because the other 2 parties do not care, just as they don't about pretty much anything else either. Harper wanted to wait until 2050 before we started doing anything. And the Liberals have done nothing for 13 years.

GO, BIG ASS JACK ,GO!

The NDP's survival depends on this Clean Air Act. If Jack doesn't produce a good Act that greenies like he's gone, as will be the NDP. All parties are on the Green train and there is no reason to vote for Jack and the pack any longer.

[Riverwind]

So... apparently people should be voting NDP who are environemntally concerned because the other 2 parties do not care, just as they don't about pretty much anything else either. Harper wanted to wait until 2050 before we started doing anything. And the Liberals have done nothing for 13 years.

Brilliant strategy on Harper's part - make the NDP seem relevant and take a big chunk of votes away from the Liberals. The conservative cruise up the middle and win a majority.

[jdobbin]

And I guess you can now vote for the Tories because unlike the Liberals you won't have to wait 10 years to see something get done.

I just might. We'll see how their policies shape up. I still have issues with breaking up the Wheat Board even when the recent election of directors repudiated it.

[Catchme]

So... apparently people should be voting NDP who are environemntally concerned because the other 2 parties do not care, just as they don't about pretty much anything else either. Harper wanted to wait until 2050 before we started doing anything. And the Liberals have done nothing for 13 years.

Brilliant strategy on Harper's part - make the NDP seem relevant and take a big chunk of votes away from the Liberals. The conservative cruise up the middle and win a majority.

Cruise up the middle? Oh man, that is the funniest thing I have heard in relation to CPC being anywhere close to the middle politically.

He was not/is not rying to make the NDP relevant, he knows his government is toast if it comes down now. It's called saving thy skin.

Things would have to change a good deal before the CPC would even get a minority government now. They have lost PQ and he knows it.

The only way Harper can say in is if he delivers a completely modified Clean Air Act, no go on the environment and the future of the world aka mankind, no stay in power.

If truth be told, we should just go to the election polls again, and let Canadians decide what we want, and if we deliver a 3rd consecutive minoritry government, the Liberals and CPC better had start paying attention to what Canadians in the majority want.

And just in case some live in an echo chamber, I will let you on a secret, pretending your a majority in a minority government situation really isn't going over well with Canadians. Watch the next stats poll and see.

[geoffrey]

Actually I think the plan was to have the problem solved by 2050, not start then.

[Canuck E Stan]

Actually I think the plan was to have the problem solved by 2050, not start then.

Some want it NOW, and think they can get it NOW.

Bet Jack and the boys are closer to 2050 than NOW.

[Ricki Bobbi]

He was not/is not rying to make the NDP relevant, he knows his government is toast if it comes down now. It's called saving thy skin.

And just in case some live in an echo chamber, I will let you on a secret, pretending your a majority in a minority government situation really isn't going over well with Canadians. Watch the next stats poll and see.

That's the most incoherent set of ramblings I have ever heard.

Saving thy skin? Isn't a weak attempt at religious prophecy a sign at delusion on a grand scale?

Pretending they are a majority? Isn't this diatribe against the Conservatives making a deal with the NDP? A deal that wouldn't be necessary if they were really pretending the had a majority?

[Catchme]

Actually I think the plan was to have the problem solved by 2050, not start then.

Nope! Which is why people were so furious about it. Which is why canuck e stan has his thread starting elswhere with comments why worry even 2050 will be soon enough.

[Ricki Bobbi]

Nope! Which is why people were so furious about it. Which is why canuck e stan has his thread starting elswhere with comments why worry even 2050 will be soon enough.

Must you present everything relating to the Government in such an absolutely fabricated manner?

[Catchme]

What is fabricated besides nothing! LOL

Harper's having to save his skin in Ottawa is not prophecy, it was obvious from the get go he would have to, it is a minority government after all.

[gc1765]

Before you were born, all days were not the same temperature. Some days were cool and some were warmer. Then you are born. One day you fart. Then the next day it gets warmer out. Based upon "logic", you take credit for warming the day by farting.

Do you have a mechanism for HOW farting causes warming, which is backed up by irrefutable facts?

[JerrySeinfeld]

Before you were born, all days were not the same temperature. Some days were cool and some were warmer. Then you are born. One day you fart. Then the next day it gets warmer out. Based upon "logic", you take credit for warming the day by farting.

Do you have a mechanism for HOW farting causes warming, which is backed up by irrefutable facts?

No I don't - and neither do you. That's my point.

[gc1765]

No I don't - and neither do you. That's my point.

Of course I don't have a mechanism for how farts cause global warming. What I do have is a mechanism for how carbon dioxide causes global warming, all of which is based on irrefutable facts:

1) Sunlight (energy) enters the earth at a particular wavelength. At that wavelength most of that "energy" passes through.

2) That sunlight heats up the earth.

3) Energy is radiated away from the earth at a different wavelength that it entered. At this wavelength much of that energy is absorbed by carbon dioxide.

4) Thus, the energy is "trapped" in the atmosphere

5) Thus, there is more "energy" (heat) in the atmosphere

Which of these FACTS do you care to refute?

[Electric Monk]

Don't forget about the increased amount of water vapour that is introduced into the atmosphere due to the increased heat. Thus causing yet more heat to be trapped.

[JerrySeinfeld]

No I don't - and neither do you. That's my point.

Of course I don't have a mechanism for how farts cause global warming. What I do have is a mechanism for how carbon dioxide causes global warming, all of which is based on irrefutable facts:

1) Sunlight (energy) enters the earth at a particular wavelength. At that wavelength most of that "energy" passes through.

2) That sunlight heats up the earth.

3) Energy is radiated away from the earth at a different wavelength that it entered. At this wavelength much of that energy is absorbed by carbon dioxide.

4) Thus, the energy is "trapped" in the atmosphere

5) Thus, there is more "energy" (heat) in the atmosphere

Which of these FACTS do you care to refute?

Farting produces GHG.

[White Doors]

Don't forget about the increased amount of water vapour that is introduced into the atmosphere due to the increased heat. Thus causing yet more heat to be trapped.

Hmmm.. Doesn't water vapour produce clouds? Could it not be possible for increased cloud cover to have a net cooling effect as less sunshine would get through? More plausible than not I'd say.

[gc1765]

Farting produces GHG.

There ya go. Just try not to fart billions of tons and we'll be ok

[Canuck E Stan]

Do you have a mechanism for HOW farting causes warming, which is backed up by irrefutable facts?

(JerrySeinfeld @ Jan 9 2007, 12:25 PM) *

Farting produces GHG.

I don't know about the mechanism either but from what happened here I have to wonder if global warming doesn't do it's own farting. This could be a dangerous development.....or not.

[August1991]

I don't know about human flatulence but cow flatulence (and it's smelly and constant) is a different matter.

Cow Farts: Global Warmers Or A Load Of Hot Air?

Scientists and farmers around the world are debating a very serious subject at the moment. Cow farts. Yes, really, they're talking about farting cows. They're talking about cow burps as well, and sheep burps, and even sheep farts.

Why? Good question. Let's start with a look at the science behind wind.

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A scientific report published in California last week claimed that dairy cows in the area were producing almost 20 pounds (in weight, that's almost 10 kg) of gas every year, each. That's a huge, huge amount.

If that figure is accurate, it could mean that cow farts were causing more global warming than pollution from cars in that region, as millions of cows live there.

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