DogOnPorch Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 This thread has obviously denigrated into a shit show, much like the 50 other threads where white middle aged men talk about their irrational fear that the "Muslims" are going to force them to wear turbans. So why are you here again? -------------------------------------------------------------- Airplane travel is nature's way of making you look like your passport photo. ---Al Gore Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
myata Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 Ok (sigh) just curious how far out can this be stretched? Assuming the "punishment" was given in correct and just proportion (as "we" always do of course and by definition), the arabs of Palestine, having lost 60% of their proper land - not "empire", must have been more involved in the business of WWII than Germans themselves? Even complete with their Grand Mufti or whoever else related or not one'd want to stick to the subject. Correct? Is that what you meant to say? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
myata Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 Describes WW2...all the places you mention were indeed occupied ... Go on, continue. Why sudden shyness when we were getting close to the climax? Occupied ... expelled (correct?) .... made a distant minority in their own land (right?) Are we talking about same things (I'm not sure) Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Canadian Blue Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 So why are you here again? I still hold out a little hope that this forum doesn't start to look like an insane asylum. Not much but a little. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
Higgly Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 The Japanese Empire lost over 75% of its territoryThe Romanians lost about 20% And Spain was neutral and lost only its prestige. Would that be 75% of its territory, or 75% of its empire? There is a difference, and I believe you know the answer. Spain was neutral? If you have any arty friends over there in Forest Hill, maybe you can get them to fill you in on Picasso's Guernica. Spain was not neutral. It just didn't fight. Got a copy of the guest book? So I'll take that as a no, with respect to my question whether you have been to the US Holocaust Memorial . So you feel you ain't gettin' no respect, eh? Maybe you should go visit the Holocaust Memorial Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
M.Dancer Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 Spain was neutral? If you have any arty friends over there in Forest Hill, maybe you can get them to fill you in on Picasso's Guernica. Spain was not neutral. It just didn't fight. If you have any literate friends in where ever you reside, get them to read a history book to you. Guernica was during the Civil War....2 years before the start of the second world war Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Higgly Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 Wait. Moving them to an Arabic speaking country is "ethnic cleansing"? What about the expulsion my Syria, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia et. al. of Jews that were in those countries for millenia in 1948? Come on JBG. Moving anybody anywhere by virtue of their ethnic affinity is ethnic cleansing. Surely you don't expect to get away with this sort of argument. Were those Jews expelled or were they running to the new Jewish nation? And why did this happen in 1948, after centuries of peaceful coexistence? Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Higgly Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 (edited) If you have any literate friends in where ever you reside, get them to read a history book to you.Guernica was during the Civil War....2 years before the start of the second world war Very good, M.Dancer. And who supplied the planes that bombed Guernica? I'll make it easy for you, here is a synopsis of the Wikipedia article on the bombing of Guernica... The bombing of Guernica was an aerial attack on April 26, 1937, during the Spanish Civil War by planes of the German Luftwaffe "Condor Legion" and subordinate Italian Fascists from the Corpo Truppe Volontarie expeditionary force organized as Aviazione Legionaria. The raid was called Operation Rügen and resulted in widespread destruction and civilian deaths in the Republican held town of Guernica, Basque Country. Edited October 22, 2007 by Higgly Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
M.Dancer Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 Very good, M.Dancer. And who supplied the planes that bombed Guernica? The same people who flew them.....who did they do that favour for? Franco the fascist. This little walk through history with you is irrelvant.....it has zero relevance on Spain's neutrality, something that irked adolf and Benito to no end.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Higgly Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 This thread has obviously denigrated into a shit show, much like the 50 other threads where white middle aged men talk about their irrational fear that the "Muslims" are going to force them to wear turbans. No kidding. I doubt that a lot of them have ever actually met a Moslem. Imagine what would happen if somebody put up a thread fretting that Jews were taking over the world. Now Americans trying to take over the world. That I can see. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Higgly Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 The same people who flew them.....who did they do that favour for? Franco the fascist.This little walk through history with you is irrelvant.....it has zero relevance on Spain's neutrality, something that irked adolf and Benito to no end.... Yeah Spain and Switzerland. Neutral as hell. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
ScottSA Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 Yeah Spain and Switzerland. Neutral as hell. They were neutral. Same as Sweden. They were not combatants. The US was neutral too, before 1941, and they were operating lend lease. Quote
Higgly Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 They were neutral. Same as Sweden. They were not combatants. The US was neutral too, before 1941, and they were operating lend lease. Good one. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
jbg Posted October 23, 2007 Author Report Posted October 23, 2007 Describes WW2...all the places you mention were indeed occupied ('ceptin' Spain). If you were lucky, you were occupied by the Anglo-Americans. Not so lucky...the Soviets.I guess the wild raping, looting and killing sprees by US, Canadian and British occupying soldiers were kept out of the news. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
myata Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 (edited) OK, we had an interesting albeit somewhat inconclusive discussion along the lines of #7 (unfortunately no evidence was found that the notorious Grand Mufti was the chief mastermind and villain of the WWII, but we can always persist in hope that some day...), then went on to explore #5 in various aspects countries of the world were involved (or not). What next, though? Any other, fresh and productive, ideas? Edited October 23, 2007 by myata Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Higgly Posted October 23, 2007 Report Posted October 23, 2007 I guess the wild raping, looting and killing sprees by US, Canadian and British occupying soldiers were kept out of the news. If you are referring to the Soviets, you are most cetianly right in your umbrage. Their behaviour was execrable. But then, look at Stalingrad. Forgive the vocabulary. I have been reading Conrad Black. = Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
DogOnPorch Posted October 24, 2007 Report Posted October 24, 2007 So I'll take that as a no, with respect to my question whether you have been to the US Holocaust Memorial .So you feel you ain't gettin' no respect, eh? Maybe you should go visit the Holocaust Memorial Never been. I don't need to go to know the Holocaust happened. One of my Aunts (a survivor...still alive) is part of the Center for Holocaust & Genocide Studies of several universities. She still does speaking tours of her remarkable escape from and return to Nazi Germany...then her second escape and arrival in France then America. And yes...I had an Uncle who was an Obersturmfuhrer in the 13th SS Handschar and the 369th Croat Division (not the regiment) as a combat engineer. That would be a fellow who is in charge of flamethrowers, explosives and such. Between these two, I was informed of much of what I needed to know about the Holocaust. ---------------------------------------------------- Die Fahne hoch! Die Reihen fest geschlossen! SA marschiert mit ruhig-festem Schritt Kameraden, die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen Marschieren im Geist in unseren Reihen mit ---Horst Wessel Lied (Die Fahne Hoch) Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jbg Posted October 24, 2007 Author Report Posted October 24, 2007 If you are referring to the Soviets, you are most cetianly right in your umbrage. Their behaviour was execrable. But then, look at Stalingrad.Forgive the vocabulary. I have been reading Conrad Black. = Thanks. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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