Higgly Posted October 19, 2007 Report Posted October 19, 2007 (edited) ...His views/comments on the Grand Mufti's actions have indeed tainted my view of the "Palestinians". ..... The man was EVIL and he escaped and went on to poison the entire Middle-East with his ideology.------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Road to Stars is Open. ---Sergei Korolev Thank you Luke Skywalker. If you are crediting the Grand Mufti for the attitudes that the Palestinians hold now, you are either more pathetically misinformed than I orginally thought, or this is just another sleight of hand that makes it possible for you to rationalize that the Palestinians are not ticked off about what has been done to them. This is a population of simple shepherds, farmers and small businessmen who have been turned into a class of pre-Magna Carta medieval serfs, with no property rights, no citizenship rights, no right to free speech, movement or assembly, in short no human rights at all. And you blame it all on the Grand Mufti. Edited October 19, 2007 by Higgly Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
DogOnPorch Posted October 19, 2007 Report Posted October 19, 2007 (edited) I also had a family member who single handedly killed Adolf Hitler and 500 Germans. I can make all sorts of claims on here. You don't have to believe me. You just think Palestinian's need to be "spanked", which can mean a number of things, one of which may be a massive napalm attack, mushroom cloud, who knows. The 'Palestinians' are their own worst enemy. They will continue to burn themselves with lit cigarettes for a while yet. I will not have a part in it anymore than you. It's not a matter of my thinking that they need to be 'spanked'...it's more just a statement of fact: They WILL get spanked. Sorry to confuse you. I don't support him, I think that your comparisons between Palestine in 2007 and the Nazis in the 1940's is absurd. However I don't think you should be lecturing anyone here on what evil is when you fantasize about the Iran-Iraq war wiping out the majority of the population in both Iran and Iraq. This is what I love about the right, they always talk about fighting evil, and then start talking about the regret that death counts in previous wars weren't much higher. That's nice. However, the connection is a real one. Arafat was proud to 'walk in his footsteps' as he put it. Both Arafat and the current Mufti are blood relatives. Haj Amin al-Husseini is also looked upon highly in the Arab world for the restoration of the Dome of the Rock. It was he who had it plated in gold. Interviewer: “I have heard voices from within the [Palestinian] Authority in the past few weeks, saying that the reforms are coordinated according to American whims…” Arafat: “We are not Afghanistan…We are the Mighty People. Were they able to replace our hero Hajj Amin al-Husseini? ... There were a number of attempts to get rid of Hajj Amin, whom they considered an ally of the Nazis. But even so, he lived in Cairo, and participated in the 1948 war, and I was one of his troops.” Al Sharq al Awsat, a London Arabic daily, reprinted in the Palestinian daily Al Quds, Aug, 2, 2002 As for Iran and Iraq's war...I didn't start it...didn't finish it. Just pointing out had both armies wiped each other out perhaps there'd be less trouble today. Much like had the IRA and the UDL blown each other up completely. A shame...tsk, tsk. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ...I hold all commanders and other SS officers, responsible for the most scrupulous and loyal respect for this privilege especially granted to the Moslems. They have answered the call of the Moslem chiefs and have come to us out of hatred for the common Jewish-Anglo-Bolshevik enemy and through respect and fidelity for he who they respect above all, the Fuehrer, Adolf Hitler. There will no longer be the least discussion about the special rights afforded to the Moslems in these circles. ---Heinrich Himmler, August 6, 1943 Edited October 19, 2007 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Higgly Posted October 20, 2007 Report Posted October 20, 2007 (edited) You don't have to believe me. The 'Palestinians' are their own worst enemy. They will continue to burn themselves with lit cigarettes for a while yet. I will not have a part in it anymore than you. It's not a matter of my thinking that they need to be 'spanked'...it's more just a statement of fact: They WILL get spanked. Sorry to confuse you. That's nice. However, the connection is a real one. Arafat was proud to 'walk in his footsteps' as he put it. Both Arafat and the current Mufti are blood relatives. Haj Amin al-Husseini is also looked upon highly in the Arab world for the restoration of the Dome of the Rock. It was he who had it plated in gold. Interviewer: “I have heard voices from within the [Palestinian] Authority in the past few weeks, saying that the reforms are coordinated according to American whims…” Arafat: “We are not Afghanistan…We are the Mighty People. Were they able to replace our hero Hajj Amin al-Husseini? ... There were a number of attempts to get rid of Hajj Amin, whom they considered an ally of the Nazis. But even so, he lived in Cairo, and participated in the 1948 war, and I was one of his troops.” Al Sharq al Awsat, a London Arabic daily, reprinted in the Palestinian daily Al Quds, Aug, 2, 2002 As for Iran and Iraq's war...I didn't start it...didn't finish it. Just pointing out had both armies wiped each other out perhaps there'd be less trouble today. Much like had the IRA and the UDL blown each other up completely. A shame...tsk, tsk. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ...I hold all commanders and other SS officers, responsible for the most scrupulous and loyal respect for this privilege especially granted to the Moslems. They have answered the call of the Moslem chiefs and have come to us out of hatred for the common Jewish-Anglo-Bolshevik enemy and through respect and fidelity for he who they respect above all, the Fuehrer, Adolf Hitler. There will no longer be the least discussion about the special rights afforded to the Moslems in these circles. ---Heinrich Himmler, August 6, 1943 The common Jewish-Anglo-Bolshevik enemy. Good lord. A political speech. Now that's what I call evidence. And what, pray tell, did the Nazis actually do for the Moslems? Enquiring minds want to know. What role did they play in Palestine? What role did Moslems actually play in the Holocaust? Say, as opposed to the role played by the French, Dutch, Swiss..... ? You can prattle on about words, but what actually happened? I personally am all agog at your erudition. Edited October 20, 2007 by Higgly Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
jbg Posted October 20, 2007 Author Report Posted October 20, 2007 By not giving into their terrorism. I want land...so I lob a rocket...blow up a bus...kidnap a soldier. I should be surprised when I get a negative reaction? Seems so...------------------------------------------------- Remember upon the conduct of each depends the fate of all. ---Alexander III Gee, I'd expect them to get a heros' welcome. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Rue Posted October 20, 2007 Report Posted October 20, 2007 And what, pray tell, did the Nazis actually do for the Moslems? Enquiring minds want to know. I guess going and finding out for yourself is out of the question. Its easier to just huff and puff at others right? Try find out for yourself and then maybe some of us will take the time to debate you in a manner that doesn't always come across like you hold the monopoly on truth and if you don't feel like acknowledging something, it can't exist. Quote
Rue Posted October 20, 2007 Report Posted October 20, 2007 Here are some web-sites as to the Nazi connection Higgly knows nothing about: http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/medigest/may00/arabnazi.html http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/isreport/au...rafatnazi1.html http://www.sullivan-county.com/immigration/nazi_arab.htm http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-eiteneier-s06.htm http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/is...6e-a3c06a460e73 http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3248081,00.html http://media0.terrorismawareness.org/files/NaziRoots.pdf http://www.nyjtimes.com/cover/03-22-05/Ara...CanItBeTrue.htm http://geocities.com/arabracismandislamicjihad/Mufti1.html Now since it is Higgly’s m.o. to dismiss any such web-sites as being Zionist and therefore untruthful I ask any one you to take any of the facts I provide below and prove they are untrue, be my guest: • In 1937, Adolf Eichmann and Herbert Hagen were sent to Palestine to establish a framework to provide the Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, with military and financial aid by Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy • In 1940, King Ghazi (son of King Faisal I) died, leaving only his four-year-old son to govern; Emir Abdul-Illah, his regent for the young Iraqi king, appointed Rashid Ali al-Kaylani as Prime Minister and Ali Al-Kaylanu, was a string supporter if Nazi Germany and guaranteed the supply of natural resources to Hitler while the Mufti acted as Iraq`s representatives with foreigners • Kaylani requestedfrom Hitler his right to "deal with Jews" in Arab states - a request that was granted and the exchange is documented in released documents • Haj Amin al-Husseini, issued a fatwa (Islamic religious ruling) calling on all Muslims to help the pro-Axis government in Iraq • in May of 1941, David Raziel, leader of the right-wing Irgun, and a set of commandos set out for Iraq to assassinate the Mufti on a mission sponsored by the Churchill government but Raziel was killed by a bomb dropped from a German plane and the Mufti fled to Europe dressed as a woman • on November 28, 1941 the Mufti was received by Hitler, who agreed to establish a bureau for Husseini that then spread propaganda on behalf of Nazi Germany, organized spy rings in Europe and the Middle East, and established Muslim Nazi SS divisions and Wehrmacht units in Bosnia, the Balkans, North Africa and Nazi-occupied Russia • the Mufti was named SS gruppenfuehrer by Heinrich Himmler and referred to as the "Fuhrer of the Arab World" by Hitler • the largest of the Muslim Nazi SS units was the 13th division, known as Hanjar • the Mufti also set up Waffen SS divisions known as Skanderbeg (Albanian Muslims) and Kama (Yugoslavian Muslims) • Husseini "organized Croatian units that massacred hundreds of thousands of Serbian Orthodox Christians. • Jacenovac, the third largest death camp, where more than 200,000 people met their death, was run by Croatian Ante Pavelic who was ab aid Husseini • 800,000 Yugoslavian civilians were murdered by Pavelic's pro-Axis Ustaschi regime • an Arab Legion was founded and fought under the German flag but were sent to the Russian front, where they were wiped out in the Caucasus region • Sami al-Joundi, founder of the Ba’ath Party in Suria was a Nazi ally and supporter • a popular WWII song in the Middle East include the words: Bissama Allah, oria alard Hitler - in heaven Allah, on earth Hitler • in October 1933, the pro-Axis Young Egypt Party and had a storm-trooper unit, and included Gamal Abdel Nasser • Nasser's brother, Nassiri, was the translator of Hitler's Mein Kampf into Arabic, describing the Fascist despot in glowing terms • when Nasser became leader of Egypt he appointed Joachim Daumling, the former Gestapo chief in Dusseldorf, to build the Egyptian secret service • the Gestapo chief of Warsaw organized the Egyptian security police • Anwar Sadat • The Mufti brought in a former Nazi commando officer into Egypt to teach Yasir Arafat • Nazi agent, Adam Vollhardt, went to Palestine in July 1938, and worked with Palestinian and Arab leaders • Dr. Franz Reichart, worked with Palestinian and coordinated Arab and German propaganda and headed the German Telegraphic Agency in Jerusalem Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 20, 2007 Report Posted October 20, 2007 (edited) Well, perhaps the entire region should open floodgate immigration and swamp the area with people from third world shitholes? Multicult is the answer to everything, right? Good point, actually. We're all supposed to be keen on mass immigration (as good Canadians all are...eh?)...let's insist that the Middle-East become the model of multiculturalism. Surely Syria could use 4-10 million Mexicans. Think they'l go for it? Edit: Come to think...we could start sending them a good ol' load of these fellows. Fatwah this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjVYhrlzmtA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_Salvatrucha Well researched, Rue. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russians can give you arms but only the United States can give you a solution. ---Anwar Sadat Edited October 20, 2007 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jbg Posted October 21, 2007 Author Report Posted October 21, 2007 (edited) Good point, actually. We're all supposed to be keen on mass immigration (as good Canadians all are...eh?)...let's insist that the Middle-East become the model of multiculturalism. Surely Syria could use 4-10 million Mexicans. Think they'l go for it? How about flooding them with people who speak the same language and are otherwise indistinguishable from them; Palestinians. The only thing that distinguishes Palestinians is that there are thugs who want a country all their own over which to be tinpot dictators of. Edited October 22, 2007 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Higgly Posted October 21, 2007 Report Posted October 21, 2007 (edited) Christian Action for Israelhttp://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/medigest/may00/arabnazi.html http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/isreport/au...rafatnazi1.html Welcome to the third-world nation of Appalachia http://www.sullivan-county.com/immigration/nazi_arab.htm The Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-eiteneier-s06.htm The National Post, et al... http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/is...6e-a3c06a460e73 Ynetnews: The leading source for Israel news - A Yahoo lookalike http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3248081,00.html The Terrorism Awareness Project: Key statements about Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week http://media0.terrorismawareness.org/files/NaziRoots.pdf The New York Jewish Times http://www.nyjtimes.com/cover/03-22-05/Ara...CanItBeTrue.htm Some crackpot on geocities http://geocities.com/arabracismandislamicjihad/Mufti1.html I put up in green the byline or name of the organization responsible for the quotes Rue has posted. My favourite has to be Welcome to the third-world nation of Appalachia. So Rue. Any established and credible scholars of history in that bunch? I mean, aside from the National Pist. Edited October 21, 2007 by Higgly Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Higgly Posted October 21, 2007 Report Posted October 21, 2007 Good point, actually. We're all supposed to be keen on mass immigration (as good Canadians all are...eh?)...let's insist that the Middle-East become the model of multiculturalism. Surely Syria could use 4-10 million Mexicans. Think they'l go for it? ...yadda... Well researched, Rue. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russians can give you arms but only the United States can give you a solution. ---Anwar Sadat Well, what the hell. Why not start with Israel? Bring in 3,000,000 Arabs. All they'd have to do in annex the West Bank. Oh wait.... Jeez. That damned democracy! If you think Rue's post are well researched, you've got a lot to learn. Oh wait. Let me translate for you. If'n you thank Ruz thangs is well resurched, you be needin some book larnin. Welcome to the third world nation of Appalachia, hounddoggie. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
ScottSA Posted October 21, 2007 Report Posted October 21, 2007 I put up in green the byline or name of the organization responsible for the quotes Rue has posted. My favourite has to be Welcome to the third-world nation of Appalachia. So Rue. Any established and credible scholars of history in that bunch? I mean, aside from the National Pist. Who cares who said it...it's basic history. Do you deny it? Quote
Higgly Posted October 21, 2007 Report Posted October 21, 2007 The only thing that distinguishes Palestinians is that there are thugs who want a country all their own to be tinpot dictators of. Sort of reminds you of the IDF, doesn't it? And that grammar! Good grief. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Higgly Posted October 21, 2007 Report Posted October 21, 2007 (edited) Who cares who said it...it's basic history. Do you deny it? Show me a credible historian who can back it up, and I might believe it. Otherwise, it's just internet gossip as far as I'm concerned. Look at the web sites Rue is quoting. You lot go on about the supposed ravings of radical Moslems and yet you reproduce as gospel the ravings of people who are the equivalent on the other side. Do some real research for crying out loud. "Who cares who says it." Good grief. You might also note that, while the individuals (and their descendeants) who bear the largest responsibility for the Holocaust still have their homes and property, the Palestinians, whose leaders may have once expressed an affiliation for the Nazis, and did not participate directly in the Holocaust, do not. This is just more of the game of "Blame the victim" that Israel and its supporters are so adept at playing. Edited October 21, 2007 by Higgly Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
jbg Posted October 22, 2007 Author Report Posted October 22, 2007 Sort of reminds you of the IDF, doesn't it? And that grammar! Good grief.Post fixed. And Israel is not a tinpot dictatorship. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
DogOnPorch Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 If you think Rue's post are well researched, you've got a lot to learn. I notice you didn't take him up on his offer...to disprove those links...so all you have left is a character attack. The only thing you seem to do around here. Anything else to add? Perhaps a slight against my mother and army boots? However...like Robert Satloff says in his book 'Amoung the Righteous...it is one of those problems that is hard to get around. Palestine...Israel...Nazis...Jews...Muslims...and the Holocaust (et al) are all part and parcel of the same slice of history. They can't be seperated. From NPR's link: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...toryId=15033852 At one level, this phenomenon is easy to explain. Arabs — even many modern, moderate, and enlightened Arabs — opt out of discussions about the Holocaust because of its special relevance to Jews and its role in the creation of Israel. A review of documents at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, for example, shows that only one Arab at or near the highest level of government — a young prince from a Gulf state — ever left a record of an official visit to the museum in its history. In the eyes of many Arabs, the catastrophe of Israel's founding would not have occurred if the catastrophe of the Holocaust had not occurred first; accepting the uniqueness and enormity of the latter therefore runs the risk of accepting the validity and legitimacy of the former. It's not PC to label someone or something "Nazi" but it just is sometimes. Before the war, Arab nationalism saw Zionism as a real threat. If one was the Boss like the Grand Mufti, it would be only natural to gravitate towards a movement in Europe that was keen on putting all the Jews in their deserved place. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men. ---Surah 9:37 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 DogOnPorch: Good point, actually. We're all supposed to be keen on mass immigration (as good Canadians all are...eh?)...let's insist that the Middle-East become the model of multiculturalism. Surely Syria could use 4-10 million Mexicans. Think they'l go for it? Edit: Come to think...we could start sending them a good ol' load of these fellows. Fatwah this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjVYhrlzmtA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_Salvatrucha Higgly: Why not start with Israel? Bring in 3,000,000 Arabs. I believe there are already Arabs in Israel...and they enjoy a high standard of living. There's also Jews and non-Jews from around the globe. My point is you wouldn't see Syria allowing many millions of immigrants from around the globe into their country. But it would sure be a fun social experiment to watch. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- But the issue has to do with land, which is our land. ---Bashar al-Assad Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jbg Posted October 22, 2007 Author Report Posted October 22, 2007 My point is you wouldn't see Syria allowing many millions of immigrants from around the globe into their country. But it would sure be a fun social experiment to watch.------------------------------------------------------------------------- But the issue has to do with land, which is our land. ---Bashar al-Assad A few million Arabic-speaking Palestinians would be a good start. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Higgly Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 A few million Arabic-speaking Palestinians would be a good start. There's that ethnic cleansing thing again. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Higgly Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 I notice you didn't take him up on his offer...to disprove those links...so all you have left is a character attack. The only thing you seem to do around here. Anything else to add? Perhaps a slight against my mother and army boots? However...like Robert Satloff says in his book 'Amoung the Righteous...it is one of those problems that is hard to get around. Palestine...Israel...Nazis...Jews...Muslims...and the Holocaust (et al) are all part and parcel of the same slice of history. They can't be seperated. From NPR's link: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...toryId=15033852 At one level, this phenomenon is easy to explain. Arabs — even many modern, moderate, and enlightened Arabs — opt out of discussions about the Holocaust because of its special relevance to Jews and its role in the creation of Israel. A review of documents at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, for example, shows that only one Arab at or near the highest level of government — a young prince from a Gulf state — ever left a record of an official visit to the museum in its history. In the eyes of many Arabs, the catastrophe of Israel's founding would not have occurred if the catastrophe of the Holocaust had not occurred first; accepting the uniqueness and enormity of the latter therefore runs the risk of accepting the validity and legitimacy of the former. It's not PC to label someone or something "Nazi" but it just is sometimes. Before the war, Arab nationalism saw Zionism as a real threat. If one was the Boss like the Grand Mufti, it would be only natural to gravitate towards a movement in Europe that was keen on putting all the Jews in their deserved place. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men. ---Surah 9:37 Interesting about those Arabs not visiting the US National Holocaust museum. How many members of the Peoples Republic of China have signed in? Many other people haven't been. Does that make them Nazis who are responsible for the Holocaust? I, on the other hand, have been. Does that mean I am blessed by God? Are you actually saying that is now a crime against humanity to not visit a Holocaust Museum? You seem to be setting this up as some sort of moral imperative. I almost wish I hadn't gone now. You've sort of soured the whole experience for me. So tell me, DogOnPorch. Have you been to the US Holocaust Museum? Quick now. No Google. Where is it, exactly? The title of his book is spelled Among the Righteous. You cite the book as backup and cannot even be bothered to spell the title correctly. Here are some quotes from the reviews of the book on Amazon.com... It also includes many instances of brave resistance, such as the bey of Tunis, who protected the Jews under his patronage. On the whole, while Jews "were almost always better off ruled by Muslims rather than Christians," Arabs generally displayed indifference to the Jews' plight. Satloff, director of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and an expert on Arab culture and history, is careful to explore the nuances of a complicated story and the relationship between fascist European powers and their colonies. Italy and France, for example, overrode local control by imposing anti-Semitic social restraints in Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco. (Publishers Weekly) But Satloff has discovered "noble, selfless deeds" by Arabs. In normal times, such acts would have been routine, but during World War II, routine kindness was in short supply. When Vichy officials offered Algerian Arabs windfall profits if they took over Jewish property, not a single Arab in Algiers participated. (Washington Post) You are right about Arab Nationalism seeing Zionism as a threat. Nothing new there, and one can marvel not that it is true, but that anybody would expect otherwise. As for Arab sentiments towards Jews, what do you think the sentiments in Canada would be towards Americans if they flew sorties at will into the country and bombed our nuclear reactors or invaded and killed thousands of people? On the one hand, you lot justify Israel's behaviour by saying "it's war" and then get apoplectic when there is a negative reaction. As Satloff says, Jews were always better off under the Moslems than the Christians, and that has only changed in modern history. As far as I am concerned, that is the baseline. If Israel was not so hell-bent on persecuting the Palestinians and driving them off of their land, and in following its "Iron Wall" strategy towards others in the region, that base state might once again be achievable. It certainly would not be given current Israeli policies. As for Rue's post, the whole issue of the Mufti and the Nazis was not a major driver of events during WWII and is even less relevant today. This is just more of the blame the victim strategy that Rue so doggedly persues. And no, I will not respond to posts which quote a site that announces "Welcome to the Third World of Appalachia". That quote from Surah is rich. I'll bet there are Arabs who quote the Old Testament with the same intentions as you are displaying here. You have entire (illegal) settlements of Israelis who are there because their occupants think God gave them the land and you quote the Qu'uran as though it were some sort absolute proof of your argument. Guys like you are no different than the Mullahs. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
jbg Posted October 22, 2007 Author Report Posted October 22, 2007 There's that ethnic cleansing thing again.Wait. Moving them to an Arabic speaking country is "ethnic cleansing"? What about the expulsion my Syria, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia et. al. of Jews that were in those countries for millenia in 1948? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
DogOnPorch Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 what do you think the sentiments in Canada would be towards Americans if they flew sorties at will into the country and bombed our nuclear reactors or invaded and killed thousands of people? That quote from Surah is rich. I'll bet there are Arabs who quote the Old Testament with the same intentions as you are displaying here. Heh...I thought you weren't going to discuss hypothetical situations. Apparently you have no opinion on such things. Interesting about those Arabs not visiting the US National Holocaust museum. How many members of the Peoples Republic of China have signed in? Many other people haven't been. Does that make them Nazis who are responsible for the Holocaust? More unanswerable questions. Got a copy of the guest book? Someone does. The title of his book is spelled Among the Righteous. You cite the book as backup and cannot even be bothered to spell the title correctly. Here are some quotes from the reviews of the book on Amazon.com... When you go out to dinner with your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend...how do you treat the waiter...? A telemarketer? The kid at the drivethrough? Someone online? Wait...I know this one. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Children are completely egoistic; they feel their needs intensely and strive ruthlessly to satisfy them. ---Sigmund Freud Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
myata Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 Here are some web-sites as to the Nazi connection Higgly knows nothing about: Another #7 (ya-a-a-a-a-a-a-awn). By the same logic, should Italy Romania Japan Spain etc whose nationals actively participated in WWII on the side of III Reich (or were sympathetic to it at some point like Franco) had 60% of their land annexed and cleansed in favour of some disposessed people having some remote historic relation to their land though currently residing half the globe away? What is said is that some unseemly deeds and quite possibly crimes committed by certain representatives of a group somehow justify summary wrong applied to the entire group. Which is nothing more than a standard common and routine excuse for atrocities directed against the group a la "place your favourite dictator/thug here". Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
M.Dancer Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 Another #7 (ya-a-a-a-a-a-a-awn). By the same logic, should Italy Romania Japan Spain etc whose nationals actively participated in WWII on the side of III Reich (or were sympathetic to it at some point like Franco) had 60% of their land annexed and cleansed in favour of some disposessed people having some remote historic relation to their land though currently residing half the globe away? The Japanese Empire lost over 75% of its territory The Romanians lost about 20% And Spain was neutral and lost only its prestige. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DogOnPorch Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 (edited) Another #7 (ya-a-a-a-a-a-a-awn). By the same logic, should Italy Romania Japan Spain etc whose nationals actively participated in WWII on the side of III Reich (or were sympathetic to it at some point like Franco) had 60% of their land annexed and cleansed in favour of some disposessed people having some remote historic relation to their land though currently residing half the globe away? Describes WW2...all the places you mention were indeed occupied ('ceptin' Spain). If you were lucky, you were occupied by the Anglo-Americans. Not so lucky...the Soviets. What is said is that some unseemly deeds and quite possibly crimes committed by certain representatives of a group somehow justify summary wrong applied to the entire group. Which is nothing more than a standard common and routine excuse for atrocities directed against the group a la "place your favourite dictator/thug here". Fair enough. So, could you give us your take on the Grand Mufti then? What are you willing to say about the man? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Man is made by his belief. As he believes, so he is. ---Bhagavad Gita Edited October 22, 2007 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Canadian Blue Posted October 22, 2007 Report Posted October 22, 2007 One question, what did Martin Luther say about the Jews back a few centuries ago and what should be the proper punishment for todays protestants? This thread has obviously denigrated into a shit show, much like the 50 other threads where white middle aged men talk about their irrational fear that the "Muslims" are going to force them to wear turbans. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
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