Same-sex motion defeated by wide margin

[Leafless]

"A total of 175 members of Parliament rejected a Tory motion “to call on government to introduce legislation to restore the traditional definition of marriage without affecting civil unions and while respecting existing same-sex marriages”

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It's extremely disheartening and disturbing to see that 175 members of parliament contributing to the destruction of Christianity. They have directly contributed to transforming Canada into a pagan society driven by an unholy and an unqualified charter, that caters to groups that can be labelled nonconformist and un-Candian and a hazard and danger to mainstream Canadian society.

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news...d0ffaa3&k=28182

[normanchateau]

Maybe when Harper gets a majority he can re-visit the issue once again.

http://www.walrusmagazine.ca/articles/poli...the-theocons/2/

[guyser]

This is wonderful news . It means that Canada rejects discriminating against people .

Let this be the last of it and move onto many more important things this country faces.

Majority or not.

[Wilber]

Maybe when Harper gets a majority he can re-visit the issue once again.

http://www.walrusmagazine.ca/articles/poli...the-theocons/2/

"We made a promise to have a free vote on this issue; we kept that promise, and obviously the vote was decisive and obviously we'll accept the democratic result of the people's representatives," Harper said Thursday following the vote. "I don't see reopening this question in the future."

Maybe not.

[jdobbin]

"A total of 175 members of Parliament rejected a Tory motion “to call on government to introduce legislation to restore the traditional definition of marriage without affecting civil unions and while respecting existing same-sex marriages”

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It's extremely disheartening and disturbing to see that 175 members of parliament contributing to the destruction of Christianity. They have directly contributed to transforming Canada into a pagan society driven by an unholy and an unqualified charter, that caters to groups that can be labelled nonconformist and un-Candian and a hazard and danger to mainstream Canadian society.

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news...d0ffaa3&k=28182

Christianity will live on beyond this. You'll still have a church to go to.

[blueblood]

Maybe when Harper gets a majority he can re-visit the issue once again.

http://www.walrusmagazine.ca/articles/poli...the-theocons/2/

"We made a promise to have a free vote on this issue; we kept that promise, and obviously the vote was decisive and obviously we'll accept the democratic result of the people's representatives," Harper said Thursday following the vote. "I don't see reopening this question in the future."

Maybe not.

Well he didn't open the abortion can of worms, so maybe it really won't be reopened

[jdobbin]

"We made a promise to have a free vote on this issue; we kept that promise, and obviously the vote was decisive and obviously we'll accept the democratic result of the people's representatives," Harper said Thursday following the vote. "I don't see reopening this question in the future."

Maybe not.

He finally said he wouldn't re-open it.

If this comes up again, I'll remind you of this quote.

[normanchateau]

Maybe when Harper gets a majority he can re-visit the issue once again.

http://www.walrusmagazine.ca/articles/poli...the-theocons/2/

"We made a promise to have a free vote on this issue; we kept that promise, and obviously the vote was decisive and obviously we'll accept the democratic result of the people's representatives," Harper said Thursday following the vote. "I don't see reopening this question in the future."

And we all know that as with income trusts, Harper always keeps his promise.

[scribblet]

It won't be opened, at least not by Harper. I don't know if a backbencher can try something but I doubt it.

[Wilber]

"We made a promise to have a free vote on this issue; we kept that promise, and obviously the vote was decisive and obviously we'll accept the democratic result of the people's representatives," Harper said Thursday following the vote. "I don't see reopening this question in the future."

Maybe not.

He finally said he wouldn't re-open it.

If this comes up again, I'll remind you of this quote.

You won't need to. He'd be a fool to reopen it now that he has got rid of it.

[normanchateau]

It won't be opened, at least not by Harper.

He'd need a majority to re-open it. Fat chance.

[Higgly]

If he tries to go back to the well yet again, he is going to have a very steep hill to climb.

A great result, IMHO.

[Michael Hardner]

I think this is the last of this particular issue. We can finally move on to more important things.

[jdobbin]

It won't be opened, at least not by Harper. I don't know if a backbencher can try something but I doubt it.

Private members bills.

[blueblood]

It won't be opened, at least not by Harper. I don't know if a backbencher can try something but I doubt it.

Private members bills.

If Harper wants it closed, it's closed, you know full well how much control Harper has on his MPs...

[Leafless]

"A total of 175 members of Parliament rejected a Tory motion “to call on government to introduce legislation to restore the traditional definition of marriage without affecting civil unions and while respecting existing same-sex marriages”

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It's extremely disheartening and disturbing to see that 175 members of parliament contributing to the destruction of Christianity. They have directly contributed to transforming Canada into a pagan society driven by an unholy and an unqualified charter, that caters to groups that can be labelled nonconformist and un-Candian and a hazard and danger to mainstream Canadian society.

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news...d0ffaa3&k=28182

Christianity will live on beyond this. You'll still have a church to go to.

This has not much to do with basic religion, as religion also serves many other purposes to society including charity directed towards the poor, something alien to governments.

When is the last time you have seen a federal food bank in any city in Canada?

It has to do with laws driven by an undemocratic, unqualified charter, initiated by a federal government ignoring citizens of Canada to participate and ratified by provincial government premiers also ignoring participation of citizens from their respective provinces.

The charter could be a huge step in the wrong direction and I believe politicians have crucified democracy in this country and are fully responsible for many of the ongoing problems in this country, concerning major power grabs by groups given the authority to do just that, by our flawed unqualified charter.

[scribblet]

Harper is on record as saying that after the vote the issue will be considered settled once and for all. Now that the issue has been settled by two gov'ts its a done deal. Only the most hare brained fanatics would try to re-open it. Neither is it in his or the party's political self interest, and they certainly won't campaign on it again.

When Harper was in Reform caucus, he was one of the few to support same-sex marriage benefits and infact, at that time, one of his criticisms of Reform was the emphasis on social issues He is certainly a hardliner when it gets down to fiscal issues.

It looks like even Lifesite thinks he is too much of a fiscal conservative LOL theya re not too happy with him

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/jun/060627a.html

[jdobbin]

This has not much to do with basic religion, as religion also serves many other purposes to society including charity directed towards the poor, something alien to governments.

When is the last time you have seen a federal food bank in any city in Canada?

It has to do with laws driven by an undemocratic, unqualified charter, initiated by a federal government ignoring citizens of Canada to participate and ratified by provincial government premiers also ignoring participation of citizens from their respective provinces.

The charter could be a huge step in the wrong direction and I believe politicians have crucified democracy in this country and are fully responsible for many of the ongoing problems in this country, concerning major power grabs by groups given the authority to do just that, by our flawed unqualified charter.

I think the food banks in Winnipeg, Edmonton and Toronto were started by card carrying Liberals. I have no idea if they are Christians too.

The Charter has one thing in it that Harper refused to use: an exemption. Why didn't he use it?

[MightyAC]

It's extremely disheartening and disturbing to see that 175 members of parliament contributing to the destruction of Christianity. They have directly contributed to transforming Canada into a pagan society driven by an unholy and an unqualified charter, that caters to groups that can be labelled nonconformist and un-Candian and a hazard and danger to mainstream Canadian society.

Whoa dude, I guess it's time to drink your "Kool-Aid" and reunite with Jesus in the mother ship.

[cybercoma]

"A total of 175 members of Parliament rejected a Tory motion “to call on government to introduce legislation to restore the traditional definition of marriage without affecting civil unions and while respecting existing same-sex marriages”

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It's extremely disheartening and disturbing to see that 175 members of parliament contributing to the destruction of Christianity. They have directly contributed to transforming Canada into a pagan society driven by an unholy and an unqualified charter, that caters to groups that can be labelled nonconformist and un-Candian and a hazard and danger to mainstream Canadian society.

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news...d0ffaa3&k=28182

What kind of nonsense is this about 'destroying' Christianity?

Being a Christian you ignore all of the other Gods people worship on this planet. What makes your God any better than the Gods of other religions? And why should your bigotry towards other human beings be made into law? Furthermore, what makes your bigotry acceptable by any stretch of the imagination? Is it because a God, that you can't prove exists, has commanded you? Is that what your God wants, unbridled bigotry? It's not difficult to accept that perhaps he does since half the scriptures show him to be a visciously jealous God, destroying all those who don't believe in him. Meanwhile your God allows Lot to let the people of Sodom and Gemorrah rape his virgin daughters instead of the Angels and there is no punishment for ol' Lot.

Thank God religious zealots don't rule our parliament because ignorance as disgusting as yours would make for some horribly oppressive laws.

[geoffrey]

I'm going to have to agree. As a Christian, I think we've got it right when it comes to God. Whatever a government does is irrelevant, it won't change any true believer's faith or destroy a religion.

If you think government is more powerful than God, then you have to reassess your claim to being Christian.

No where in Christ's teaching is such action (passing a law that allows SSM) expressly forbidden. Do I think it's immoral for homosexuals to marry? Absolutely. But God will judge them in his own time, it's not up to us.

Judging others is a fast track off the Christianity bus.

It'll also further push us towards a fringe of society if we continue hardline approaches to these issues. If you want Christian influence to remain, it's got to be done moderately.

[MightyAC]

It'll also further push us towards a fringe of society if we continue hardline approaches to these issues. If you want Christian influence to remain, it's got to be done moderately.

Why do Christians have to influence? That is, provided that laws do not infringe on your freedom to practice your religion or live by your own set of beliefs.

In the case of SSM, the current law does not limit, affect or harm Christians in anyway, however, the traditional definition plus a civil union does seggregate homo-sexuals. Yet Charles McVety and other like him did their best, and will continue to do their best, to inflict their beliefs on others. I guess I'm wondering why most Christians can't be more like Mennonites. They have some very unique lifestyle beliefs, yet they don't attempt to inflict them on anyone else.

[geoffrey]

Christians need influence as much as the gay lobby does... such viewpoints balance each other out.

[mikedavid00]

This is wonderful news . It means that Canada rejects discriminating against people .

Let this be the last of it and move onto many more important things this country faces.

Majority or not.

Well I have a major issue with same sex marriage. And it's an obvoius reason that no one has every brought up.

"Interim Policy on Civil Marriages between Same-Sex Persons

Same-sex couples’ access to civil marriage was extended throughout Canada on July 20, 2005, under the Civil Marriage Act. While CIC examines the impact of the Act on its immigration programs, its interim policy, which recognizes the validity of civil marriages between a foreign national and his or her Canadian citizen or permanent resident same-sex partner, will continue. At this time, the policy applies only to the family class (which includes the spouse or common-law partner in-Canada class)."

Basically, it's an immigration loop hole that will allow anybody to get into the country unscreened.

[jdobbin]

Basically, it's an immigration loop hole that will allow anybody to get into the country unscreened.

Anyone getting married to a foreign national in Canada has their marriages screened. Do you have evidence that they don't?