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"Venezuela's president calling his U.S. counterpart Satan in a U.N. speech seemed a devilish gambit in the nations' war of words -- but Hugo Chavez says he was shooting from the hip."

Oh yeah, sure.

We are all aware of Chavez and his hatred of the U.S., especially President Bush.

This is another perfect example why the U.N. should be scrapped and get rid once and for all these little tyrants, who think they are just as powerful as superpower U.S. and who refuse to acknowledge this fact.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews....USH.xml&src=rss

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"Venezuela's president calling his U.S. counterpart Satan in a U.N. speech seemed a devilish gambit in the nations' war of words -- but Hugo Chavez says he was shooting from the hip."

Oh yeah, sure.

We are all aware of Chavez and his hatred of the U.S., especially President Bush.

This is another perfect example why the U.N. should be scrapped and get rid once and for all these little tyrants, who think they are just as powerful as superpower U.S. and who refuse to acknowledge this fact.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews....USH.xml&src=rss

I can't believe how much utter hatred of the USA is not only accepted, but even encouraged in this world.

Why don't we gang up on france for a change? They're the REAL screwed up country :)

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Chavez says Bush "devil"
I live my life like there's no tomorrow/and all I've got, I had to steal

Least I don't need to beg or borrow/Yes I'm livin' at a pace that kills

Oooh, yeah/(Ahh!) Runnin' with the devil (Ahh-hah! Yeah!)

(Woo-hoo-oo!) Runnin' with the devil/I'm gonna tell ya all about it

I found the simple life ain't so simple/When I jumped out, on that road

I got no love, no love you'd call real/Ain't got nobody, waitin' at home

(Ah, yeah-ah!)/Runnin' with the devil

(God damn it lady. You know I ain't lyin' to ya)/(I'm only gonna tell you one time-ya!)

Runnin' with the devil/(Yes I am! Yeah!)

(Guitar Solo)

Woo!

Woo!

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Tyranny. Another in a long list of words that Leafless doesn't seem to understand.

It's interesting how you guys completely fail to mention the intense ideological hatred American administrations have for anyone in Central and South America who doesn't do exactly as they tell them to. Usually, selling out to the Americans so that they can grow richer while those small countries grow poorer.

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Chavez says Bush "devil"

I live my life like there's no tomorrow/and all I've got, I had to steal

Least I don't need to beg or borrow/Yes I'm livin' at a pace that kills

Oooh, yeah/(Ahh!) Runnin' with the devil (Ahh-hah! Yeah!)

(Woo-hoo-oo!) Runnin' with the devil/I'm gonna tell ya all about it

I found the simple life ain't so simple/When I jumped out, on that road

I got no love, no love you'd call real/Ain't got nobody, waitin' at home

(Ah, yeah-ah!)/Runnin' with the devil

(God damn it lady. You know I ain't lyin' to ya)/(I'm only gonna tell you one time-ya!)

Runnin' with the devil/(Yes I am! Yeah!)

(Guitar Solo)

Woo!

Woo!

If you're going for premium redneck effect (such as Bush deserves) you need this.

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This is another perfect example why the U.N. should be scrapped and get rid once and for all these little tyrants, who think they are just as powerful as superpower U.S. and who refuse to acknowledge this fact.

That's right. All countries who come to the UN should just know their place and support the US no matter what. Freedom of speech is only for the big boys.

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Tyranny. Another in a long list of words that Leafless doesn't seem to understand.

It's interesting how you guys completely fail to mention the intense ideological hatred American administrations have for anyone in Central and South America who doesn't do exactly as they tell them to. Usually, selling out to the Americans so that they can grow richer while those small countries grow poorer.

The U.N. is not a place to publicly mock leaders of other countries. Chavez is a tyrant by definition.

You fail to mention that certain countries have limitations concerning their ability to be helped to substantially improve their economies and that their governments have failed by allowing their countries populations to exceed manageability by their respective governments.

The U.S. nor anyone else cannot work miracles for these countries that have allowed themselves to be engulfed by unmanageable poverty.

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Tyranny. Another in a long list of words that Leafless doesn't seem to understand.

It's interesting how you guys completely fail to mention the intense ideological hatred American administrations have for anyone in Central and South America who doesn't do exactly as they tell them to. Usually, selling out to the Americans so that they can grow richer while those small countries grow poorer.

The U.N. is not a place to publicly mock leaders of other countries. Chavez is a tyrant by definition.

You fail to mention that certain countries have limitations concerning their ability to be helped to substantially improve their economies and that their governments have failed by allowing their countries populations to exceed manageability by their respective governments.

The U.S. nor anyone else cannot work miracles for these countries that have allowed themselves to be engulfed by unmanageable poverty.

By whose definition, yours? Wasn't this guy elected by a majority of citizens in his own country? So if he was elected, then don't we just have to deal with it? Just because the Americans don't like the guy isn't a real great reason to come down on him, unless you both support Bush and are an American. Having said that I have recently read somethings about the guy, after the "it still smells like sulphur" remark. It seems that he is well supported by the poor in his own land. The middle class are split in their opinion, and the rich hate the guy. But in a democracy a simply majority rules. So unless you intend to argue against the free will of people being expressed in political terms then we kind of have to respect their opinions on their own government.

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And none of you raise a voice when Bush claims Iran, NK ect as AXIS OF EVIL!! No you don't say anything, but you agree with him. Chavez is popular for he is doing what he thinks is best for the country. Taking control over the natural resources making it a national asset.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5112101800.html

With CITGO as the supplier to the US from Venezuela they managed to help out the energy hunger country of the U.S.A. Not to mention GITGO had sold the oil/gas to the U.S. for cheap just so the lower end of the income scale are not freezing their asses off in the winter.

All I know that Chavez has done more for his country and people since he has been in power, compared to Bush who is quickly running the country into the ground.

And I think the U.N. is the PERFECT place to be saying that kind of thing. I personaly would use the U.N. to my advantage to get my message across. It is the only forum on the planet that allows the leaders of all countries to gather and discuss stuff. Some words are heated and might be wrong to use, but when hypocracy abound is to be found in the UN, the argument that the UN should not be used for this kind of speach is foolish in my view. The U.S.A. has done that several times, but no one bitches about that. And the U.S.A. is STILL in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Tyranny? - Patriot Act, NSA surveilance, ect ect.

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Incumbent Venezualan President Hugo Chavez appears to be headed for victory after taking a strong lead in the re-election race.

With 78 per cent of voting stations reporting Sunday, Chavez had 61 per cent of the vote, compared to 38 per cent for challenger Manuel Rosales, said Tibisay Lucena, head of the country's elections council.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/12/03/venezuela.html

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"Venezuela's president calling his U.S. counterpart Satan in a U.N. speech seemed a devilish gambit in the nations' war of words -- but Hugo Chavez says he was shooting from the hip."

Oh yeah, sure.

We are all aware of Chavez and his hatred of the U.S., especially President Bush.

This is another perfect example why the U.N. should be scrapped and get rid once and for all these little tyrants, who think they are just as powerful as superpower U.S. and who refuse to acknowledge this fact.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews....USH.xml&src=rss

It would make a great apartment complex. And we'd have fewer unpaid parking tickets and nasty, arrogant diplomats not paying their restaurant tabs.

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"Venezuela's president calling his U.S. counterpart Satan in a U.N. speech seemed a devilish gambit in the nations' war of words -- but Hugo Chavez says he was shooting from the hip."

"Oh yeah, sure.

We are all aware of Chavez and his hatred of the U.S., especially President Bush."

Oh yeah sure. We are all aware of Chavez and his hatred of the U.S., especially President Bush

So why do the Americans want to increase trade with Venezuela? Could be because of all that lovely Venezuelan oil?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/4413088.html

Could be that the Americans have finally woken up to the fact that not every government in the world will agree with them?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/4414733.html

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So why do the Americans want to increase trade with Venezuela? Could be because of all that lovely Venezuelan oil?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/4413088.html

Oil is a commodity that sells regardless of the morality of the seller or buyer. Unfortunately, since it is a fungible commodity, it almost always makes sense to buy oil from the geographically closest source.

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So why do the Americans want to increase trade with Venezuela? Could be because of all that lovely Venezuelan oil?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/4413088.html

Oil is a commodity that sells regardless of the morality of the seller or buyer. Unfortunately, since it is a fungible commodity, it almost always makes sense to buy oil from the geographically closest source.

Oil doesn't neccesarily have as much 'fungibility' as you might believe. There are many different levels of oil quality... light, medium and heavy crude, how about bitumen... or lightly upgraded bitumen. What of the sulfur content. Anyways, your right in that a market generally knows it's oil supplies quality and it's highly fungible within that market, but no so much internationally. Refineries have limited capacity to which gravities can be processed, industrial applications the same.

When dealing with petrochemicals I'd say that oil and gas used there is not a fungible commodity.

It makes sense to buy oil from the geographically most local source because it's generally cheaper. But not always. Alberta is closer to Ontario than the US Gulf Coast (by a little) and certainly closer than Norway. It's significantly cheaper to import oil resources from Americans or Norway than to pipe it from Alberta. Shipping oil is cheap, piping it is expensive. Ontario importants oil. Canada, though a major net exporter, importants a great deal of oil. This would be less likely the case if oil was indeed as fungible as you suggest.

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This would be less likely the case if oil was indeed as fungible as you suggest.

I know I oversimplified. My point is that the market determines the smartest way to get oil from the ground (or sands or shale) to the end user. As for the fact that AB exports, ON and east import, this is economically sensible and possible only where both countries can be counted on to act in a commercially reasonable manner.

The idea of piping AB oil presumably died in the "pipeline scandal" that brought Diefenbaker to office in 1957.

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Tyranny. Another in a long list of words that Leafless doesn't seem to understand.

It's interesting how you guys completely fail to mention the intense ideological hatred American administrations have for anyone in Central and South America who doesn't do exactly as they tell them to. Usually, selling out to the Americans so that they can grow richer while those small countries grow poorer.

The U.N. is not a place to publicly mock leaders of other countries. Chavez is a tyrant by definition.

You fail to mention that certain countries have limitations concerning their ability to be helped to substantially improve their economies and that their governments have failed by allowing their countries populations to exceed manageability by their respective governments.

The U.S. nor anyone else cannot work miracles for these countries that have allowed themselves to be engulfed by unmanageable poverty.

By whose definition, yours? Wasn't this guy elected by a majority of citizens in his own country? So if he was elected, then don't we just have to deal with it? Just because the Americans don't like the guy isn't a real great reason to come down on him, unless you both support Bush and are an American. Having said that I have recently read somethings about the guy, after the "it still smells like sulphur" remark. It seems that he is well supported by the poor in his own land. The middle class are split in their opinion, and the rich hate the guy. But in a democracy a simply majority rules. So unless you intend to argue against the free will of people being expressed in political terms then we kind of have to respect their opinions on their own government.

What are you talking about? Chavez is in the process of rewriting the constitution of Venezuela so that he no longer will have to go to the people for a mandate, he will be ruler forever like Castro, his hero. Chavez is just another third world dictator who has ambitions of being crowned King.

Chavez, North Korea and Iran ranting at the U.N. about Bush and the U.S. government just goes to show everyone just how childish these individuals really are. It's like sticking out you tongue to a fellow student while standing behind the skirts of the old school marm. It also goes to show just how irrelevant the UN has become when they cannot even demand that member nations show respect for each other. This came about with the likes of Koffi Annan who himself seems to hold the West in contempt, while favoring terrorists organizations and third world dictatorships. Koffi's own son along with Paul Martin's friend Maurice Strong who is now hiding in China, were involved in the oil-for-food scandal over Iraq being able to skirt the sanctions imposed by the UN itself. This is was has made the UN a redundant organization and rather than send money and ambassadors to the UN, all funding should be pulled and directed to far more relevant projects.

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What are you talking about? Chavez is in the process of rewriting the constitution of Venezuela so that he no longer will have to go to the people for a mandate, he will be ruler forever like Castro, his hero. Chavez is just another third world dictator who has ambitions of being crowned King.

I am beginning to think, unfortunately, that democracy only "takes" in fertile soil, i.e. English speaking countries and a few select others, such as Switzerland and the Scandinavian countries. Maybe, Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic are such promising places but even Hungary seems a bit wobbly now.

The other European countries have a fickle relationship with democracy. Their governments seem bent on recreating the Holy Roman Empire, which was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire. The EU structure is largely unaccountable corporatist/statist (called "socialist" for modern consumption). France has always sashayed back and forth between the original empire, Napolean and other totalitarian intervals, then the anarchy of the French Revolution and the Fourth Republic (the post-war period before De Gaulle took over). Most South American countries, such as Venezuela, are populist more than democratic, i.e. Chavez-style mob rule.

Chavez, North Korea and Iran ranting at the U.N. about Bush and the U.S. government just goes to show everyone just how childish these individuals really are. It's like sticking out you tongue to a fellow student while standing behind the skirts of the old school marm. It also goes to show just how irrelevant the UN has become when they cannot even demand that member nations show respect for each other. This came about with the likes of Koffi Annan who himself seems to hold the West in contempt, while favoring terrorists organizations and third world dictatorships. Koffi's own son along with Paul Martin's friend Maurice Strong who is now hiding in China, were involved in the oil-for-food scandal over Iraq being able to skirt the sanctions imposed by the UN itself. This is was has made the UN a redundant organization and rather than send money and ambassadors to the UN, all funding should be pulled and directed to far more relevant projects.

The UN is a permanent bureaucracy that creates a spurious "world opinion". It should be abolished.

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