Ricki Bobbi Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 Imagine the cries of outrage if a conservative group had mentioned the 'best hair' of a female Liberal cabinet minister. Sexist and hypocritical is the only way the describe the following quote from the Climate Action Network in this press release. Canada’s Rona Ambrose was neither. She might have the best hair of any COP President, but she will be remembered as the worst COP President in the history of the climate convention. Kudos to Dr. Trimble for chastising the group. A big boo to Greenpeace for trying to defend the quote. Linda Trimble, chairperson of the University of Alberta's political science department, said the environmental groups are giving ammunition to their opponents, who now have an excuse not to take their comments seriously."It's churlish, sexist, and gratuitous,'' said Trimble. "It's sending the message that you can't be a woman and a politician, that they are somehow mutually exclusive options which is of course, ridiculous.'' Greenpeace Canada spokesperson Steven Guilbeault said the environmental groups were trying to make a point about the Conservative government's systematic cuts to climate change programs and its absence from international debates. Ahhh, you gotta love double-standards. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Black Dog Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 Shoulda just called her a dog. Nah, this is stupid and sexist, absolutely. Why bring her hair into it when there's so many other avenues of attack available? Quote
scribblet Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 Maybe because they really don't have anything else to chastize her on. Talk about shallow and petty, they've gone down a notch in my estimation. BTW, by 2010 China will have exceeded the U.S. on pollution - and under Kyoto we would be buying credits from China....go figure Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
normanchateau Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 Imagine the cries of outrage if a conservative group had mentioned the 'best hair' of a female Liberal cabinet minister. Sexist and hypocritical is the only way the describe the following quote from the Climate Action Network I'm not sure why the thread heading is "Left attacks..." It was the Climate Action Network who made these outrageous and sexist comments. I've heard no support for these comments from anyone on the Left. As far as I know, the Climate Action Network is merely an environmental group. Other than they're opposed to Harper and Ambrose's feeble environmental efforts, I'm not sure that it's fair to characterize this group as the Left. Quote
scribblet Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 Maybe the lefties are having a bad hair day - BTW this has been the 52nd coolest October on record (1895-2006). Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Ricki Bobbi Posted November 8, 2006 Author Report Posted November 8, 2006 Maybe the lefties are having a bad hair day -BTW this has been the 52nd coolest October on record (1895-2006). I heard it was the 60th warmest. The silence on the left is deafening!!! Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Shakeyhands Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 Hey by the way.. it wasn't an MP that said it! Big difference folks. Nice try, but it ain't the same. If you guys 'on the right' (lets try to be as devisive as we can!!!) can't see the difference there, well theres something seriously wrong. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
gc1765 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 BTW, by 2010 China will have exceeded the U.S. on pollution... per capita?? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Figleaf Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 The silence on the left is deafening!!! Strange comment. I wonder what people on the left are supposed to be doing about this. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted November 8, 2006 Author Report Posted November 8, 2006 Strange comment. I wonder what people on the left are supposed to be doing about this. If fair-minded and true to their principles condemn the comment. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
gc1765 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 Sexist and hypocritical is the only way the describe the following quote from the Climate Action Network... Did you think mackays "dog" comment was sexist? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Ricki Bobbi Posted November 8, 2006 Author Report Posted November 8, 2006 Did you think mackays "dog" comment was sexist? I know that you did. Why won't you condemn this horribly sexist remark? Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Figleaf Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 Strange comment. I wonder what people on the left are supposed to be doing about this. If fair-minded and true to their principles condemn the comment. As sexist? Are you aware that both Steve Harper's and Toronto mayor David Miller's hair have been the subject of comment? http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&ie=I...=cr%3DcountryCA http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&ie=I...=cr%3DcountryCA Quote
August1991 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 Shoulda just called her a dog. Nah, this is stupid and sexist, absolutely. Why bring her hair into it when there's so many other avenues of attack available? Sorry, BD, but I think you're missing the point.First, a woman is still the weakest link in the chain. Ambrose, a woman, is the minister the opposition is going after. (It's interesting too that the Liberals/NDP are doing this. The Tories would feel uncomfortable going after a woman. Belinda? Belinda is a walking disaster area. If she'd been a man without money, she would already be out of politics and sitting in a UN post.) Second, Ambrose has the unenviable task of telling a vast bureaucracy that the political master wants things done differently. Almost all of the civil servants working in the Department of Environment in Ottawa actively want to see the Tories defeated and truly believe Stephen Harper is a short interlude. In a normal world, these people would have quit but this being Ottawa, the civil servants get their salaries deposited every Wednesday without fail. They live in a parallel universe from the rest of us. Quote
gc1765 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 I know that you did. Why won't you condemn this horribly sexist remark? No I didn't. The question is, did you think the "dog" comment was sexist? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Ricki Bobbi Posted November 8, 2006 Author Report Posted November 8, 2006 No I didn't. The question is, did you think the "dog" comment was sexist? Fine you didn't *say* that you found the comment sexist. Still leads to the question, why avoid the topic of this thread? The question is, if it were a Liberal cabinet minister and a Conservative group had made this comment wouldn't the left be crying sexism? Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
MightyAC Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 Easy children... The hair remark was stupid, plain and simple. Those trying to draw a parallel to the MacKay incident are a little dense as well. One incident involved a prominent cabinet minister who referred to a female opposition MP as a dog and then lied about it. The other involved a member of an environmental group commenting on Rona's hair in an attempt to reduce her credibility. Both incidents involved stupidity but one on a larger scale than the other. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted November 8, 2006 Author Report Posted November 8, 2006 Those trying to draw a parallel to the MacKay incident are a little dense as well.One incident involved a prominent cabinet minister who referred to a female opposition MP as a dog and then lied about it. The other involved a member of an environmental group commenting on Rona's hair in an attempt to reduce her credibility. Both incidents involved stupidity but one on a larger scale than the other. Yes, dense indeed. The original post never tried to draw a parallel to the MacKay incident. Only the left-wing apoligists tried to do that. A question about the fairness and open-mindedness of the left lead to the comparisons. Do remember a spokesman from Greenpeace tried to defend the original remarks. Dr. Trimble, chairwoman of the Department of Poli. Sci. at the U of A condemned the original remarks. She is definitely left-leaning but also very fair and open-minded. Her reaction to the comments are laudable. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
gc1765 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 Fine you didn't *say* that you found the comment sexist. Still leads to the question, why avoid the topic of this thread?The question is, if it were a Liberal cabinet minister and a Conservative group had made this comment wouldn't the left be crying sexism? I've been consistent in my positions. I didn't cry sexism when mackay called stronach a dog, and I'm not crying sexism now. Show me where I cried sexism, here I'll help you out: I think that lying is much worse than the insult. The issue is not the fact that he called her a dog. The issue is that he blatantly lied about it. I don't really care if he called her a dog, but he should have the guts to admit what he said. He could have apologized for the incident, or better yet he could have said something like "yes, I called her a dog, but it was addressed specifically to her and not to all women". I would have respected the courage it would take to say something like that. Instead, he is acting cowardly by lying about it, especially when it was caught on tape. Now, the question is, are you consistent in your positions? Since you've called this most recent comment about Ambrose sexist, and even started a new thread about it, will you also acknowledge that you think mackays "dog" comment was sexist?? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
August1991 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 The other involved a member of an environmental group commenting on Rona's hair in an attempt to reduce her credibility.That's naive.The opposition smells blood and they're going after Ambrose. The opposition senses that the Tories are weak on the environment. Of course, it just happens that a woman is the environment minister. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted November 8, 2006 Author Report Posted November 8, 2006 Fine you didn't *say* that you found the comment sexist. Still leads to the question, why avoid the topic of this thread? The question is, if it were a Liberal cabinet minister and a Conservative group had made this comment wouldn't the left be crying sexism? I've been consistent in my positions. I didn't cry sexism when mackay called stronach a dog, and I'm not crying sexism now. Show me where I cried sexism, here I'll help you out: To repeat. Fine you didn't *say* that you found the comment sexist. Are you actually reading the posts you reply to? Still leads to the the question, why avoid the topic of this thread? If you want an answer about MacKay post on one of the old threads on the topic or start a new topic. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
gc1765 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 To repeat. Fine you didn't *say* that you found the comment sexist. Are you actually reading the posts you reply to?Still leads to the the question, why avoid the topic of this thread? I thought I already answered that question, are YOU reading the posts you reply to? To repeat "I didn't cry sexism when mackay called stronach a dog, and I'm not crying sexism now". Why would I respond to something that I believe is a non-issue? I didn't comment on the sexism of mackays comment either, and I didn't really get involed in that debate until he lied about it. You never asked me why I avoided that topic either. But the answer is the same, I don't respond to every thread, just those that I think are important. This, like the "dog" comment, is relatively unimportant. P.S. It's really not a big deal at all but when you emphasize a word like "Fine you didn't *say*..." (emphasis on *say*) you seem to be insinuating that I implied it was sexist, or that there is something more to it. So, it's only fair that I state for the record that I not only did not imply the comment was sexist, I specifically said that the comment was not a big deal. If you want an answer about MacKay post on one of the old threads on the topic or start a new topic. Will do. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Ricki Bobbi Posted November 8, 2006 Author Report Posted November 8, 2006 P.S. It's really not a big deal at all but when you emphasize a word like "Fine you didn't *say*..." (emphasis on *say*) you seem to be insinuating that I implied it was sexist, or that there is something more to it. So, it's only fair that I state for the record that I not only did not imply the comment was sexist, I specifically said that the comment was not a big deal. Easy tiger. It's kinda tough for me to defend what you think I insinuated... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
gc1765 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 Easy tiger. It's kinda tough for me to defend what you think I insinuated... Like I said, it's really not a big deal at all, I just wanted to clarify for anyone else reading the thread. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
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