Argus Posted October 24, 2006 Report Posted October 24, 2006 Maybe the liberals wouldn't be doing this if some conservative weren't such easy targets.. Generalizing women as being weaker and less knwoledgeable proves my point.. Men and women have different behaviour patterns, different priorities, different likes and preferences as demonstrated in countless studies, polls and surveys over the years. Get over it. The rest of us realized this in the 60's.. As a coloured person the more I here about people black and asian people being barred from entering bars in Calgary it, makes me wonder if people really are as arogant as they portray themselves on this page.. Luckily I live in a place where conservatism doesn't exist.. Halalujah How are the slums these days? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jefferiah Posted October 24, 2006 Author Report Posted October 24, 2006 Barring a black man or an asian from a bar because of skin color is lot different than calling a woman a a dog. He called her a dog cuz he detests her character, not cuz she is a woman. Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
Canadian Blue Posted October 24, 2006 Report Posted October 24, 2006 Maybe the liberals wouldn't be doing this if some conservative weren't such easy targets.. Generalizing women as being weaker and less knwoledgeable proves my point.. It might be shocking too you guy's but thats sexism.. The rest of us realized this in the 60's.. As a coloured person the more I here about people black and asian people being barred from entering bars in Calgary it, makes me wonder if people really are as arogant as they portray themselves on this page.. Luckily I live in a place where conservatism doesn't exist.. Halalujah I remember bars in left wing Quebec that refused to serve members of the CF. As well their was a bar in "liberal" Quebec which refused to serve a black man. If a black, gay, coloured, man were to be barred from entering a bar in Calgary then the human rights commission's would deal with that. As well living in Alberta for 18 years, I don't recall an incident were a black man was not allowed into a bar. If it's true, then people would be up in arms over it. Can you give us links to claims that Calgary was actaully like that, and was alone in all of Canada in that regard??? Luckily I live in a place where conservatism doesn't exist.. Halalujah China, North Korea, or Cuba? Conservatism exists everywhere. I'm sure it even exists in your small world. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
MSH Posted October 24, 2006 Report Posted October 24, 2006 Maybe the liberals wouldn't be doing this if some conservative weren't such easy targets.. Generalizing women as being weaker and less knwoledgeable proves my point.. It might be shocking too you guy's but thats sexism.. The rest of us realized this in the 60's.. As a coloured person the more I here about people black and asian people being barred from entering bars in Calgary it, makes me wonder if people really are as arogant as they portray themselves on this page.. Luckily I live in a place where conservatism doesn't exist.. Halalujah How in the world does calling a specific person a dog (no...INFERRING...Mackay didn't actually SAY "that dog Belinda" or some such thing) get blown up into "generalising women as being weaker and less knowlegable"? When did people in this country lose their hides? It's time people grew back thicker hides and stopped being such whiney little babies. "Rest of us realised this in the 60's"? Realised what exactly? There are people of all political stripes who still haven't smartened up. In the 1970s, Cretien make a very insensitive remark about natives (wasn't he even minister fr Indian Affairs at one point back then too?). In the 1980s Crosbie ( a Mulroney-era cabinet minister) had a "witty remark" almost daily, often aimed at women ("Pass the Tequila, Shiela" and "Four Horsewomen of the Apolcalypse" were noteworthy). Crosbie was notoriously unapologetic too. In the 1990s Deb Gray endured much personal ridicule at the hands of Liberal ministers during question period (including being compared with a "slab of bacon" by the Liberal defence minister of the day). Often apologies were never forthcoming. Guess what...MOST policicians from ALL parties simply need to GROW UP and stop with the childish taunts. And the rest of us (the press gallery in particular) also need to GROW UP and stop making federal cases out of childish taunts..all it does is encourage the clowns. Quote
gc1765 Posted October 24, 2006 Report Posted October 24, 2006 Maybe the liberals wouldn't be doing this if some conservative weren't such easy targets.. Generalizing women as being weaker and less knwoledgeable proves my point.. It might be shocking too you guy's but thats sexism.. The rest of us realized this in the 60's.. As a coloured person the more I here about people black and asian people being barred from entering bars in Calgary it, makes me wonder if people really are as arogant as they portray themselves on this page.. Luckily I live in a place where conservatism doesn't exist.. Halalujah How in the world does calling a specific person a dog (no...INFERRING...Mackay didn't actually SAY "that dog Belinda" or some such thing) get blown up into "generalising women as being weaker and less knowlegable"? When did people in this country lose their hides? It's time people grew back thicker hides and stopped being such whiney little babies. "Rest of us realised this in the 60's"? Realised what exactly? There are people of all political stripes who still haven't smartened up. In the 1970s, Cretien make a very insensitive remark about natives (wasn't he even minister fr Indian Affairs at one point back then too?). In the 1980s Crosbie ( a Mulroney-era cabinet minister) had a "witty remark" almost daily, often aimed at women ("Pass the Tequila, Shiela" and "Four Horsewomen of the Apolcalypse" were noteworthy). Crosbie was notoriously unapologetic too. In the 1990s Deb Gray endured much personal ridicule at the hands of Liberal ministers during question period (including being compared with a "slab of bacon" by the Liberal defence minister of the day). Often apologies were never forthcoming. Guess what...MOST policicians from ALL parties simply need to GROW UP and stop with the childish taunts. And the rest of us (the press gallery in particular) also need to GROW UP and stop making federal cases out of childish taunts..all it does is encourage the clowns. I don't care so much that he called her a dog....I think what's important is that he lied about it & denied it. What does that say about his integrity? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 24, 2006 Report Posted October 24, 2006 How in the world does calling a specific person a dog (no...INFERRING...Mackay didn't actually SAY "that dog Belinda" or some such thing) get blown up into "generalising women as being weaker and less knowlegable"? It doesn't, but the Liberals need *anything* to not be labelled the weak, ineffective opposition that they truly have been. I said many times, this was a tempest in a teapot. Already out of the news. Nobody cares. The Harper haters will go on hating him. Nobody has changed their mind about anything over this issue... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Topaz Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 McKay didn't say the word"dog" but he meant it or did he mean "bitch"?? Anyway, I don't care who said it, Mckay knows better and so does Harper but hey, what can you expect from these two guys since they went behind the back of PC's and created the Alliance/Cons party! Don't blame this on the Libs or any other party BUT the Alliance/Cons. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 what can you expect from these two guys since they went behind the back of PC's and created the Alliance/Cons party! Don't blame this on the Libs or any other party BUT the Alliance/Cons. Went behind their backs? Every Progressive Conservative member had the opportunity to attend a regional convention. Progressive Conservative delegates at those conventions voted 9 to 1 for the merger. The only person hurt by the merger was David Orchard. Nobody freakin' cares about wingnut Orchard... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Canadian Blue Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 Yeah Mackay sure betrayed those 10% of PC Delegates that didn't support the merger. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
jbg Posted October 26, 2006 Report Posted October 26, 2006 Yeah Mackay sure betrayed those 10% of PC Delegates that didn't support the merger. And?????? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 26, 2006 Report Posted October 26, 2006 And?????? David Orchard?????? Who gives a f*ck about David Orchard? He's a 'Liberal' now.... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Remiel Posted October 26, 2006 Report Posted October 26, 2006 I just wanted to respond to something I had thought of concerning family and parliament. If you were to ask all of the members of parliament to stand, and then ask all of the members of parliament who thought it highly likely they wouldn't of entered politics if not for their parents or close relatives success to sit, how many people do you honestly think would be left standing? Paul Martin may never have entered politics if his dad wasn't a politician, and he may of never entered politics if his dad wasn't in politics. And this is probably wide spread throughout -every- party. Would the MP in my riding be in politics if his family didn't own a succesful retail chain? If he had to go it alone? It's pointless to criticize any one person in government by saying they are only there because of their parents, because many, many of them are. Quote
jefferiah Posted October 26, 2006 Author Report Posted October 26, 2006 I think thats a good point Remiel. I dont think Belinda Stronach is a horrible woman or anything, but at the same time I think she didnt act from a concern over the status of women when she and the Liberals raised a stink over this issue. And to take it further, Belinda is not the only politician to have crossed the floor. Right after Harper was elected (but before he was to be sworn and given the opportunity to choose his cabinet) a BC Liberal MP crossed and went Conservative. I dont think Belinda is terrible for doing this. But I think there should be a rule put in place in our political system to keep this kind of thing in check. Stronach's defense is that she had a change of conscience. While many people find that suspect, no one can peer into Stronach's brain and see what her real motives were, so she may have been truthful. That aside, alot of the voting population does not vote for the name of the person running but for the name of the party. Many people are conservatives or liberals for life. Thats how they vote. But even if Belinda, or this other fellow who crossed to become conservative had a genuine change of conscience, it does not give them the right to change peoples votes for them. Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
mcqueen625 Posted October 26, 2006 Report Posted October 26, 2006 The term Jerk is used mostly exclusively for males. I have never heard someone call a girl a "Jerk". But when a woman uses the demeaning term "Jerk" to describe a man, no one says it's sexist. Because calling a man a jerk does not mean you are calling all men jerks, or generalizing about men, right. Same with dog. Even though the insult may apply to women only, Drea, it doesnt make it sexist. And according to the news reports that I heard and read, Peter McKay never uttered the word dog, that was uttered by her fellow Liberlas, referring to animals. If he made a gesture towards where she sat that's also immaterial since the Bimbo was not in her seat. Quote
gc1765 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 Continued from This thread : If you want an answer about MacKay post on one of the old threads on the topic or start a new topic. and my original question: Now, the question is, are you consistent in your positions? Since you've called this most recent comment about Ambrose sexist, and even started a new thread about it, will you also acknowledge that you think mackays "dog" comment was sexist?? Here's your chance. If you think the Ambrose comment was sexist, do you think Mackay's comment was sexist? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Ricki Bobbi Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 Here's your chance. If you think the Ambrose comment was sexist, do you think Mackay's comment was sexist? Thanks for moving the thread over here. I do not think that MacKay's comment was sexist. I think that his comment *and* gesture might have been interpreted as sexist. The comment alone was innocuous. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
gc1765 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 I never said that I thought the Ambrose comment was sexist. That seems like a fair answer to your question. "Sexist and hypocritical is the only way the describe the following quote...." I think there is a typo in your original post, which is misleading. Perhaps you meant to say "sexist and hypocritical is the only way they would describe the following quote" or perhaps you meant to say "sexist and hypocritical is the only way to describe the following quote", which is calling it sexist. I interpreted the latter. Perhaps you could clarify what you meant (either thread is fine). Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Ricki Bobbi Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 I think there is a typo in your original post, which is misleading. Perhaps you meant to say "sexist and hypocritical is the only way they would describe the following quote" or perhaps you meant to say "sexist and hypocritical is the only way to describe the following quote", which is calling it sexist. I interpreted the latter. Perhaps you could clarify what you meant (either thread is fine). OK, I shouldn't have used the word IS. Please answer the MacKay question. Do you think that his comment was sexist? No I don't care to hear your views on his lying. Just your views on the comment itself. Not the comment and the gesture, just the comment. If you want to split hairs over the words *it* and *is*, then it is only fair to split hairs between *comment* as opposed to *comment and gesture*. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
gc1765 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 Please answer the MacKay question. Do you think that his comment was sexist? Not really. Insulting, yes. Sexist, no. OK, I shouldn't have used the word IS. Sorry, I'm still a little confused. Could you retype what you meant to say (or perhaps edit your original post)? I still don't understand what you meant when you said "Sexist and hypocritical is the only way the describe the following quote..." Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Ricki Bobbi Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 Sorry, I'm still a little confused. Could you retype what you meant to say (or perhaps edit your original post)?I still don't understand what you meant when you said "Sexist and hypocritical is the only way the describe the following quote..." I should have been clearer. How is this for a re-type? That a comment about a female cabinet minister's hair was included in a press release issued by a left-wing activist group is hypocritical. Had a right-wing group made such a comment in a press release it would have been attacked as sexist by a multitude of left-wing sources. It is even more galling that a representative of Greenpeace tried to defend the comment. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
gc1765 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 Perfect. Much clearer. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
jbg Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 Here's your chance. If you think the Ambrose comment was sexist, do you think Mackay's comment was sexist? Thanks for moving the thread over here. I do not think that MacKay's comment was sexist. I think that his comment *and* gesture might have been interpreted as sexist. The comment alone was innocuous. The entire premise of this thread and the "Ambrose" thread illustrates one of the things wrong with the West. There's an epidemic of political correctness. There is almost as much, if not, more debate on the "sensitivity" of a remark than on the substance of policies. People need a thicker skin if they're going into politics. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
lost&outofcontrol Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 Well there is a big difference between men and women. Women are emotional creatures and can be very vindictive towards other women for various reasons I guess. Wow, talk about your chauvinistic views, that's a doozy! Good job going back 300 years to find a description of gender. Are you an avid reader of the Malleus Maleficarum? Fact is gender ideas are social constructs. Quote
lost&outofcontrol Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 Geeze, Drea, are you going to need years of therapy to get over the trauma of hearing that this happened - even though you never actually heard it yourself? Are you damaged for life? Are you going to have nightmares and never again be able to see a dog without bursting into tears? That is just downright offensive, way to defend your side. Although, I guess I should not expect anything less from people who think women are by nature more emotional. Quote
Drea Posted November 8, 2006 Report Posted November 8, 2006 Geeze, Drea, are you going to need years of therapy to get over the trauma of hearing that this happened - even though you never actually heard it yourself? Are you damaged for life? Are you going to have nightmares and never again be able to see a dog without bursting into tears? Saw it on Global news. Argus, you are THE example of an antiquated backwards-thinking male Go cry in your beer... Life has moved on -- attitudes like yours are no longer accepted in our society. Grow up and get over it. Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
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